Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-14 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 04:44:39PM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: > But you can see that it's not mere aggregation, because they invoke > each other when run. Evidence is not proof. -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EM

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-14 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 01:39:09PM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: > But what ends up on the user's Debian system when he types "apt-get > install eclipse; eclipse" is a program incorporating a JVM and many > libraries. Debian's not just distributing Eclipse or just > distributing Kaffe -- the

Re: Illustrating JVM bindings

2005-01-13 Thread Raul Miller
> > Is this relevant to Eclipse? I was under the impression that Eclipse > > was pure java -- that it did not use JNI at all. > > > > If Eclipse does use JNI, would still a question about whether or not > > Kaffe's JNI implementation constitute some kind of extension designed > > to work around t

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-13 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 04:35:50PM -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote: > > But was Kaffe _extended_ to provide such bindings for Eclipse 3.0? > > This FAQ entry discusses 2 cases. One is when we have an interpreter, > that basically goes over the pseudo-code and purely "interprets" it > (an old B

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-13 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 03:19:36PM -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote: > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfInterpreterIsGPL > > "However, when the interpreter is extended to provide "bindings" to > other facilities (often, but not necessarily, libraries), the ... > Do you understand tha

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 02:58:38PM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > Right. But whether it will run isn't a copyright criterion, any more > than whether a work of criticism will make any sense if not read > side-by-side with the work it critiques. Sure, and evidence isn't proof. If it can be sh

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:37:28 -0500, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's laws and precedents -- particularly those grouped under the principle > > which is termed "contributory infringement" which makes it true. On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 02:13:

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
[Note: I don't know enough about Eclipse and Kaffe to make any comments on that specific issue. Instead, I'm responding to some of the things Michael has written.] On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:41:08PM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > You know, just because the FSF has claimed for many years that

Re: APL & LGPL & GPL

2001-10-28 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 12:40:42PM +0200, Egon Willighagen wrote: > What i understood from the replies it (among which this one, others > may have been private), that it is OK to license the software GPL as > long as the used APL libraries are part of the distribution on which > it is installed, ri

Re: APL & LGPL & GPL

2001-10-28 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 12:40:42PM +0200, Egon Willighagen wrote: > > What i understood from the replies it (among which this one, others may have > > been private), > > that it is OK to license the software GPL as long as the used APL libraries > > are part of the > > distribution on which it is i

Re: APL & LGPL & GPL

2001-10-23 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 11:04:47AM +0200, Egon Willighagen wrote: > Is it "legal" to have (I am thinking Java here): > > - A GPL-ed program that uses > a LPGL-ed libraries that uses > a "Apache Public License"-ed library > > The be precise, i am considering packaging a GPL-ed tool that uses t

Re: APL & LGPL & GPL

2001-10-23 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 11:04:47AM +0200, Egon Willighagen wrote: > Is it "legal" to have (I am thinking Java here): > > - A GPL-ed program that uses > a LPGL-ed libraries that uses > a "Apache Public License"-ed library > > The be precise, i am considering packaging a GPL-ed tool that uses