OpenOffice?

2002-06-29 Thread Jim Pick
Hi, Here's a little project for somebody. The Debian people want to put OpenOffice in their distribution, but in order to build it, they need to use Java. But their free software guidelines prevent them from using Sun's version in the building of the software because it's non-free (so OpenOffice

OpenOffice?

2002-06-29 Thread Jim Pick
Hi, Here's a little project for somebody. The Debian people want to put OpenOffice in their distribution, but in order to build it, they need to use Java. But their free software guidelines prevent them from using Sun's version in the building of the software because it's non-free (so OpenOffic

Re: [ANNOUNCE] JBoss 2.4.7 debs for public consumption

2002-06-28 Thread Jim Pick
Cool. Looks like a lot of work. :-) I'll have to give 'em a try (and eventually, with Kaffe). Cheers, - Jim On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 18:33, Adam Heath wrote: > I am proud to announce that I have finally finished(well, close enough, > anyways) the debs of JBoss(www.jboss.org). You can fetch the

Free Java specifications (was Re: Java Policy.)

2002-05-12 Thread Jim Pick
I think the Debian Java policy, as currently stated, is slightly flawed, as it tries to satisfy two goals that aren't completely orthogonal: 1) To get as much free Java software into Debian as possible, that runs without non-free software (eg. without Sun's JDK) 2) To put together a distrib

Free Java specifications (was Re: Java Policy.)

2002-05-12 Thread Jim Pick
I think the Debian Java policy, as currently stated, is slightly flawed, as it tries to satisfy two goals that aren't completely orthogonal: 1) To get as much free Java software into Debian as possible, that runs without non-free software (eg. without Sun's JDK) 2) To put together a distri

Re: Java Policy.

2002-05-12 Thread Jim Pick
On Sun, 2002-05-12 at 17:16, Adam Heath wrote: > On 12 May 2002, Jim Pick wrote: > > > Also, as the upstream kaffe maintainer, I'd really like it if for each > > package that was stuck in contrib because kaffe can't run it (eg. > > unimplemented APIs, etc)

Re: Java Policy.

2002-05-12 Thread Jim Pick
On Sun, 2002-05-12 at 18:29, Per Bothner wrote: > Jim Pick wrote: > > Sounds like Debian could use the same solution for gcj that Debian uses > > for emacs -> just distribute the .java files and do the ahead-of-time > > compilation (.java to .so) at install time.

Re: Java Policy.

2002-05-12 Thread Jim Pick
> > There are many other free JVMs now: ORP, KissMe, etc... > > I am not very happy with trying to compile some Java code (e.g. Jmol > jmol.sf.net) with every free JVM to see wether it can be done with that... You should only have to compile the class files once (the classes should still work,

Re: Java Policy.

2002-05-12 Thread Jim Pick
Sounds like Debian could use the same solution for gcj that Debian uses for emacs -> just distribute the .java files and do the ahead-of-time compilation (.java to .so) at install time. Is this automatic enough under gcj so that this could that work? Granted, the emacs solution is currently a bit

Re: Java Policy.

2002-05-12 Thread Jim Pick
On Sun, 2002-05-12 at 17:16, Adam Heath wrote: > On 12 May 2002, Jim Pick wrote: > > > Also, as the upstream kaffe maintainer, I'd really like it if for each > > package that was stuck in contrib because kaffe can't run it (eg. > > unimplemented APIs, etc)

Re: Java Policy.

2002-05-12 Thread Jim Pick
On Sun, 2002-05-12 at 18:29, Per Bothner wrote: > Jim Pick wrote: > > Sounds like Debian could use the same solution for gcj that Debian uses > > for emacs -> just distribute the .java files and do the ahead-of-time > > compilation (.java to .so) at install time.

Re: Java Policy.

2002-05-12 Thread Jim Pick
> > There are many other free JVMs now: ORP, KissMe, etc... > > I am not very happy with trying to compile some Java code (e.g. Jmol > jmol.sf.net) with every free JVM to see wether it can be done with that... You should only have to compile the class files once (the classes should still work

Re: Java Policy.

2002-05-12 Thread Jim Pick
Sounds like Debian could use the same solution for gcj that Debian uses for emacs -> just distribute the .java files and do the ahead-of-time compilation (.java to .so) at install time. Is this automatic enough under gcj so that this could that work? Granted, the emacs solution is currently a bi

Re: Java Policy.

2002-05-12 Thread Jim Pick
On Sun, 2002-05-12 at 08:11, Nic Ferrier wrote: > Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi > > > > When we now have (almost) got woody out of the door I think it > > is time to give the Proposed Java Policy a more official state > > (i.e. not proposed anymore). > > > > It is avai

Re: Java Policy.

2002-05-12 Thread Jim Pick
On Sun, 2002-05-12 at 08:11, Nic Ferrier wrote: > Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi > > > > When we now have (almost) got woody out of the door I think it > > is time to give the Proposed Java Policy a more official state > > (i.e. not proposed anymore). > > > > It is ava

Kaffe and Java2

2002-05-04 Thread Jim Pick
Hi, I just noticed in the Debian Java FAQ that it says that Kaffe is not going to be implementing Java2 (for legal reasons). I don't think that's correct. I want to see as much of the Java2 APIs implemented as possible in Kaffe. It will probably be a long time before we have all of Java2 implem

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-04 Thread Jim Pick
> I thought that the build process of OpenOffice depended on [I'm being > vague here :-(] "some bundle of Java2 stuff," which would have the > result that despite OpenOffice itself being "free software," since a > build requires distinctly nonfree stuff, it can't go in "free." > > It's almost enou

Kaffe and Java2

2002-05-04 Thread Jim Pick
Hi, I just noticed in the Debian Java FAQ that it says that Kaffe is not going to be implementing Java2 (for legal reasons). I don't think that's correct. I want to see as much of the Java2 APIs implemented as possible in Kaffe. It will probably be a long time before we have all of Java2 imple

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-04 Thread Jim Pick
> I thought that the build process of OpenOffice depended on [I'm being > vague here :-(] "some bundle of Java2 stuff," which would have the > result that despite OpenOffice itself being "free software," since a > build requires distinctly nonfree stuff, it can't go in "free." > > It's almost eno

["Ben Bederson" ] ANNOUNCE: Jazz 0.6beta (Pad++ successor)

1999-10-01 Thread Jim Pick
Hi, I remember playing with Pad++ back in the early days of Gnome - it was really cool (but proprietary). Somebody should check this out - it's been rewritten in Java and it's now under the MPL. Cheers, - Jim --- Begin Message --- Hello Pad++ friends, It has been a long time since we have se