Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-04-30 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi, On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 22:00 +0200, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: > Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:35:56 +0100, > Michael Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You are right, its not always a gain. Tom Tromey told me that he is > > aware of one case where the native library is slower then interpreting > > the j

Re: gcj4 changes : Please Comment

2005-04-30 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi, On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 16:29 -0500, Jerry Haltom wrote: > Okay from how I understand it: The classloader is not altered and must > still use Jars (since applications, like Eclipse, do override and make > their own classloader). The classloader returns a byte[] representing > the resource to the

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-04-30 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi, On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 21:28 +0200, Michael Koch wrote: > On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 09:55:00PM +0200, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: > > Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:45:29 -0500, > > Barry Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Michael Koch wrote: > > > | On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 01:13:23PM -0600, Jerry Ha

Re: gcj4 changes : Please Comment

2005-04-30 Thread Jerry Haltom
Okay from how I understand it: The classloader is not altered and must still use Jars (since applications, like Eclipse, do override and make their own classloader). The classloader returns a byte[] representing the resource to the VM, which is responsible for actually running it. THe GCJ stuff tak

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-04-30 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi, On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 21:30 +0200, Michael Koch wrote: > We can decide to pubild only some archs to native. E.g. native libs for > Eclipse > make little sense on arm. Why does it make less sense on arm then on any of the other architectures? Cheers, Mark signature.asc Description: This i

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-04-30 Thread Jerry Haltom
I have no idea what Ubuntu is going to do, as I ran out of time to do it. I will assuradly do what Debian does, so I'm here to influence Debian's decision. ;). Either way, I think bcabi is a stupid name. Even spelled out it doesn't say anything "binary compatible application binary interface". Bina

Re: [Arnaud Vandyck] Re: gcj4 changes : Please Comment

2005-04-30 Thread Tom Tromey
> "Michael" == Michael Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I read some mails about the location of the classmap.db file on the >> Fedora mailing list[1], thanks to Mark. Is it possible to specify a >> directory where we could put all the db files and gij could resolve the >> mapping using the

Re: [Arnaud Vandyck] Re: gcj4 changes : Please Comment

2005-04-30 Thread Michael Koch
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 09:28:49PM +0200, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > 29 Apr 2005 12:32:12 -0600, > Tom Tromey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> "Arnaud" == Arnaud Vandyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >>> If you follow the typical BC comp

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-04-30 Thread Michael Koch
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 10:00:54PM +0200, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: > About the archive space, don't forget you have to multiple the space by > the number of different arches (12 or so)!.. We can decide to pubild only some archs to native. E.g. native libs for Eclipse make little sense on arm. Mich

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-04-30 Thread Michael Koch
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 09:55:00PM +0200, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: > Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:45:29 -0500, > Barry Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Michael Koch wrote: > > | On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 01:13:23PM -0600, Jerry Haltom wrote: > > [...] > > |>I would like to name the secondary native pa

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-04-30 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:35:56 +0100, Michael Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 09:24:30AM -0500, Barry Hawkins wrote: [...] >> Iterpreted languages hardly need me to back them up, but I think they >> have a proven track record. Taking one of the leading interpreted >> lang

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-04-30 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:45:29 -0500, Barry Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Koch wrote: > | On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 01:13:23PM -0600, Jerry Haltom wrote: > [...] > |>I would like to name the secondary native packages with a -jbi prefix > |>(Java Binary Interface). Some people like the na

Re: GCJ Native Proposal

2005-04-30 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:14:58 +0100, Michael Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I would like to name the secondary native packages with a -jbi prefix >> (Java Binary Interface). Some people like the name -bcabi because that >> is what the GCJ folks tend to refer to it as. BC ABI: Binary Compatible >

Re: [Arnaud Vandyck] Re: gcj4 changes : Please Comment

2005-04-30 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 29 Apr 2005 12:32:12 -0600, Tom Tromey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> "Arnaud" == Arnaud Vandyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> If you follow the typical BC compilation approach, libgcj won't care >>> what the so files are called. > > Arnaud>

Do NOT use debian/control.in (was: Re: apache xml-rpc)

2005-04-30 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:18:57 +0200, Wolfgang Baer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BTW, the debian/control.in feature of cdbs should not be used as we have > heard yesterday: > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-java-maintainers/2005-April/003273.html My fault! Sorry. -- .''`. : :' :rn

Re: gcj4 changes : Please Comment

2005-04-30 Thread Michael Koch
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 01:15:04PM -0500, Jerry Haltom wrote: > I mean as part of the arch-dep process. THe arch-dep process requires a > complete build, simply excluding everything else from the package. > > Of course the jars are still required. They have things in them other > than .class files

Re: gcj4 changes : Please Comment

2005-04-30 Thread Jerry Haltom
I mean as part of the arch-dep process. THe arch-dep process requires a complete build, simply excluding everything else from the package. Of course the jars are still required. They have things in them other than .class files. On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 08:49 +0200, Michael Koch wrote: > On Fri, Apr

Re: gcj4 changes : Please Comment

2005-04-30 Thread Michael Koch
On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 10:42:08PM -0500, Jerry Haltom wrote: > > I'm not in favour of compiling on the user machine. Also, don't forget > > if the package is well done, only the native part will be compiled, the > > jars are arch-indep so they'll not be re-compiled by the buildd's. > > How so? >