Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Dalibor Topic
Grzegorz B. Prokopski debian.org> writes: > FWIK soon after SableVM 1.1.8 > release GNU Classpath got fully merged a version of jaxp that is capable > of running Eclipse (the above instructions do not use jaxp). We should > have the new, fixed version of jaxp included in 1.1.9. Great! Thanks fo

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:08:19 -0500, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 02:58:38PM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > > Right. But whether it will run isn't a copyright criterion, any more > > than whether a work of criticism will make any sense if not read > > side-by

Processed: minor bugs, policy requirements is fulfiled

2005-01-12 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > severity 290204 minor Bug#290204: Improper copyright file Severity set to `minor'. > severity 290203 minor Bug#290203: Improper copyright file Severity set to `minor'. > severity 290202 minor Bug#290202: Improper copyright file Severity set to `minor'

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 02:58:38PM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > Right. But whether it will run isn't a copyright criterion, any more > than whether a work of criticism will make any sense if not read > side-by-side with the work it critiques. Sure, and evidence isn't proof. If it can be sh

Bug#290189: Improper copyright file

2005-01-12 Thread Justin Pryzby
Package: java-common Version: 0.22 Severity: normal The copyright file of this package seems to use the *license*, instead of the copyright holder in the style of "Copyright (C) 2005 by Justin Pryzby". Please see this thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/03/msg02190.html -- Syste

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Grzegorz B. Prokopski
On Wed, 2005-12-01 at 17:16 -0600, Jerry Haltom wrote: > Mine works on Sun's and Kaffes but does not work on Sable. Since the > compiled class files work on Sun's (for me), I suspect that the compile > created class files that are up to snuff, and JNI bindings that were > standards compliant. Sable

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Jerry Haltom
Mine works on Sun's and Kaffes but does not work on Sable. Since the compiled class files work on Sun's (for me), I suspect that the compile created class files that are up to snuff, and JNI bindings that were standards compliant. SableVM throws a bunch of NPE's however. I suspect it's just a probl

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:36:27 -0500, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip things with which I agree completely] > Once again: linking is a detail. It's not something which copyright > law makes any special allowances for. Depending on the circumstances > linking might be analogous to types

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:37:28 -0500, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's laws and precedents -- particularly those grouped under the principle > > which is termed "contributory infringement" which makes it true. On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 02:13:58PM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > Wha

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:11:52 +0100, Dalibor Topic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael K. Edwards wrote: > > [Regarding the compatibility of a GPL JVM with Java code under other > > licenses; cross-posted from debian-java to debian-legal] > > [cut noise about FSF] One person's signal is another's

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:37:28 -0500, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > It's laws and precedents -- particularly those grouped under the principle > which is termed "contributory infringement" which makes it true. What laws and precedents? All the law and precedent that I can find sug

Does GPL allow that? (not theorhetical)

2005-01-12 Thread Grzegorz B. Prokopski
Hi, Because some people feel unsure about how a JVM, its classpath and java compiler interact together, below I tried to strip the situation down to a simple and clean non-java case. Assume we have the following packages, providing a shared library: Package: propr-line License: non-free, free to

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Michael Koch
Am Mittwoch, 12. Januar 2005 22:11 schrieb Dalibor Topic: > Michael K. Edwards wrote: > > [Regarding the compatibility of a GPL JVM with Java code under > > other licenses; cross-posted from debian-java to debian-legal] > > [cut noise about FSF] > > > But if the Kaffe copyright holders interpret th

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Dalibor Topic
Michael K. Edwards wrote: [Regarding the compatibility of a GPL JVM with Java code under other licenses; cross-posted from debian-java to debian-legal] [cut noise about FSF] But if the Kaffe copyright holders interpret the relationship between Java bytecode and GPL code to be loose enough not to cr

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
[Note: I don't know enough about Eclipse and Kaffe to make any comments on that specific issue. Instead, I'm responding to some of the things Michael has written.] On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:41:08PM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > You know, just because the FSF has claimed for many years that

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Dalibor Topic
Thomas Fogwill csir.co.za> writes: > This build runs fine (so far) with kaffe, but does not run at all with > any other VMs: (tried: Sun's 1.4.2 JDK, SableVM, gij). > > As this is the case, would it not make sense to add the following to > the /usr/bin/eclipse script? > -VM /usr/lib/kaffe/bi

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Dalibor Topic
Grzegorz B. Prokopski debian.org> writes: > Neither they agreed with yours, as you probably remember, but that's not > the point. The point is, that, as you've mentioned yourself, there ARE > non-GPLed JVMs (IKVM, gij, SableVM) that could be used to build Eclipse > w/o breaching GPL. The point is

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Jerry Haltom
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:46:32 -0500, Ben Konrath wrote: > > I looked into this briefly when the message was posted and confirmed that > this was the case, but I haven't made any progress. If you have them > building that would be really great. boot.jar contains only a text file (readme.txt), I a

GPL and CPL/APL are NOT compatible (Was: Eclipse 3.0 Running on Kaffe)

2005-01-12 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi, (CCed debian-legal, so they know where we are, what we are working on and where we might need some help in the future) On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 01:10 -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote: > On Wed, 2005-12-01 at 02:49 +, Dalibor Topic wrote: > > However if nobody stands up and say clearly, t

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Jerry Haltom
Jikes bug. There are tons of them. Jikes seems incapable of resolving class names in odd situations. You only broke on org.eclipse.runtime... you have quite a few more plug-ins to go. ;) After I get the packages done, I plan to go through it on each VM, and file bugs for every little problem. You

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Thomas Fogwill
first off, excellent work! You seem to have put in some major effort! On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 00:04 -0600, Jerry Haltom wrote: > These are compiled for my desktop installation of Ubuntu warty/hoary. > The source packages should be re-compilable on unstable. PLEASE > RECOMPILE! I did (with kaffe),

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:04:27 -0600, Jerry Haltom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Following up on my earlier notification of Eclipse 3.0 packages. > > They now successfully compile Eclipse and **RUN** Eclipse using a Free > JVM (Kaffe). This means, excludi