Re: findjava requirement

2003-09-22 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Etienne, * Etienne Gagnon wrote: >libraries in /usr/lib/sablevm, and its executable in /usr/bin. Where >shouls JAVA_HOME point? [rhetorical question] Mandated by the new policy would be to point the JVM property (System.get...) java.home to /usr/lib/sablevm. In there should be the 'java-s

Re: findjava requirement

2003-09-22 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Etienne, * Etienne Gagnon wrote: >libraries in /usr/lib/sablevm, and its executable in /usr/bin. Where >shouls JAVA_HOME point? [rhetorical question] Mandated by the new policy would be to point the JVM property (System.get...) java.home to /usr/lib/sablevm. In there should be the 'java-s

Documenting "Debian JAVA_HOME" [was: Re: findjava requirement]

2003-09-22 Thread Grzegorz B. Prokopski
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 13:32, Ean Schuessler wrote: > We want Java programs to run the interpreter using a common commandline > and directory layout. Many Java programs rely on the JAVA_HOME layout Well - it's abvious that we *don't want* every single program to separately support each single JVM.

Documenting "Debian JAVA_HOME" [was: Re: findjava requirement]

2003-09-22 Thread Grzegorz B. Prokopski
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 13:32, Ean Schuessler wrote: > We want Java programs to run the interpreter using a common commandline > and directory layout. Many Java programs rely on the JAVA_HOME layout Well - it's abvious that we *don't want* every single program to separately support each single JVM.

Re: findjava requirement

2003-09-22 Thread Ean Schuessler
We want Java programs to run the interpreter using a common commandline and directory layout. Many Java programs rely on the JAVA_HOME layout even though it is an ill-defined non-standard. The path of least resistance is to formalize a definition of this standard and then tune up the behavior of pa

Re: findjava requirement

2003-09-22 Thread Ean Schuessler
We want Java programs to run the interpreter using a common commandline and directory layout. Many Java programs rely on the JAVA_HOME layout even though it is an ill-defined non-standard. The path of least resistance is to formalize a definition of this standard and then tune up the behavior of pa

Re: findjava requirement

2003-09-22 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Ean, * Ean Schuessler wrote: >> After having this discussion, because they are not 'similar enough' to >> rely on the alternative system. >Well, they *could be* similar enough if we specify exactly what Debian >expects a JAVA_HOME setup to provide. It's not the java.home or anything else. T

Re: findjava requirement

2003-09-22 Thread Etienne Gagnon
Dalibor Topic wrote: I think that JAVA_HOME is quite pointless, as the only good use for it seems to be to locate JNI headers. It's an ill-defined ad-hoc 'standard' that isn't even supported by Sun. Programs that rely on JAVA_HOME to be able to access internals of the VM are inherently broken, the

Re: findjava requirement

2003-09-22 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Ean, * Ean Schuessler wrote: >> After having this discussion, because they are not 'similar enough' to >> rely on the alternative system. >Well, they *could be* similar enough if we specify exactly what Debian >expects a JAVA_HOME setup to provide. It's not the java.home or anything else. T

Re: findjava requirement

2003-09-22 Thread Etienne Gagnon
Dalibor Topic wrote: I think that JAVA_HOME is quite pointless, as the only good use for it seems to be to locate JNI headers. It's an ill-defined ad-hoc 'standard' that isn't even supported by Sun. Programs that rely on JAVA_HOME to be able to access internals of the VM are inherently broken, they

Re: findjava requirement

2003-09-22 Thread Dalibor Topic
--- Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm still not clear on why we cannot require every VM to provide a more > specifically detailed version of the JAVA_HOME ad hoc standard. We > should have a document that lists all of the $JAVA_HOME/bin/..foo.. > $JAVA_HOME/lib/..bar.. locations tha

Re: findjava requirement

2003-09-22 Thread Dalibor Topic
--- Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm still not clear on why we cannot require every VM to provide a more > specifically detailed version of the JAVA_HOME ad hoc standard. We > should have a document that lists all of the $JAVA_HOME/bin/..foo.. > $JAVA_HOME/lib/..bar.. locations tha