Re: [PROPOSAL] 3. RfD on new debian java policy

2003-09-10 Thread Daniel Bonniot
I will neither propose nor agree with a debian java policy, which will ignore this facts and make out users patch debian packages to get this working. I don't see the point of making a policy that says that packages must work with some non-packaged non-free programs. It would be nice if t

Re: [PROPOSAL] 3. RfD on new debian java policy

2003-09-10 Thread Ben Burton
> What about an environment variable? Like > $ someapp > # runs someapp with one of the packagers tested JVM > $ JAVA=/usr/bin/kaffe someapp > # runs with kaffe This works for me (and indeed it's what I've done with the jython package). > Is there is a risk of JAVA being already in use for some

Re: [PROPOSAL] 3. RfD on new debian java policy

2003-09-10 Thread Daniel Bonniot
A better way in my opinion is to allow the user to 'override' maintainer's choice of VM environment in some easy way (like putting another java executable in front of his path, or running a selectmyvm script). I agree this is a good solution: the default behaviour is going to work because the mai

Re: JAVA_HOME and ant

2003-09-10 Thread Takashi Okamoto
From: Dalibor Topic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: JAVA_HOME and ant Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:50:57 -0700 (PDT) > I think the code in question (javadoc task) is going to be rewritten to use a > delegation model soon anyway, as there is some demand to be able to run > different javadocs with it. S

Re: JAVA_HOME and ant

2003-09-10 Thread Takashi Okamoto
From: Dalibor Topic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: JAVA_HOME and ant Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:50:57 -0700 (PDT) > I think the code in question (javadoc task) is going to be rewritten to use a > delegation model soon anyway, as there is some demand to be able to run > different javadocs with it. S

Compiling java debian packages with free tools

2003-09-10 Thread John Leuner
I have been observing the various discussions about changing java policy etc .. I feel that despite whatever decisions we make about free and non-free VMs and tools etc, we should firstly pay attention to simply compiling our software with free tools and against free libraries or free APIs. For e

Re: [PROPOSAL] 3. RfD on new debian java policy

2003-09-10 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Dalibor, First of all, I will apologise for some of my heated 'answer round' during the last days. I still can't aggre completly with your (and others) objections, but I see that nothing won't change your opinion either :) so I try to find a *working* compromise. I'm currently learning for

Compiling java debian packages with free tools

2003-09-10 Thread John Leuner
I have been observing the various discussions about changing java policy etc .. I feel that despite whatever decisions we make about free and non-free VMs and tools etc, we should firstly pay attention to simply compiling our software with free tools and against free libraries or free APIs. For e

Re: [PROPOSAL] 3. RfD on new debian java policy

2003-09-10 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Dalibor, First of all, I will apologise for some of my heated 'answer round' during the last days. I still can't aggre completly with your (and others) objections, but I see that nothing won't change your opinion either :) so I try to find a *working* compromise. I'm currently learning for

Re: [PROPOSAL] 3. RfD on new debian java policy

2003-09-10 Thread Dalibor Topic
Hallo Jan, --- Jan Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hallo Dalibor, > > * Dalibor Topic wrote: > >> I don't do it. I just see the need, that some people will want to run > >> java apps on a unfree VM. This propsal makes this possible. > >But it is already possible, isn't it? > > Yes, because t

Re: [PROPOSAL] 3. RfD on new debian java policy

2003-09-10 Thread Dalibor Topic
Hallo Jan, --- Jan Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hallo Dalibor, > > * Dalibor Topic wrote: > [kdelibs4 problems] > >> all cases to '1', but the latest qt version in unstable is '2'. I don't > >> think that anyone bothers to test their packages, when one of the > >> dependencies changed. > >

Back [was: Re: [VAC] until september 9]

2003-09-10 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
I'm back. It seems there were a lot of discussion last week! I'll be very busy until mid-november but try to read some threads ;) Best regards, -- Arnaud On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:20:37 +0200 (CEST) Arnaud Vandyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'll be on holliday until september 9. >

Re: [PROPOSAL] 3. RfD on new debian java policy

2003-09-10 Thread Dalibor Topic
Hallo Jan, --- Jan Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hallo Dalibor, > > * Dalibor Topic wrote: > >> I don't do it. I just see the need, that some people will want to run > >> java apps on a unfree VM. This propsal makes this possible. > >But it is already possible, isn't it? > > Yes, because t

Re: Installation troubles

2003-09-10 Thread Alejandro Noli
Fixed, thanks. :-) It was very stupid thing, sorry. El miércoles 10, a las 14:57, Tom Badran escribió: Content-Description: signed data > On Wednesday 10 Sep 2003 14:50, Alejandro Noli wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm trying to install JAVA 2, under Debian but can't run well for instance, > > 'java Eje

Bibliografía !! Por Favor !!!

2003-09-10 Thread ingelhornsistemas_linux
Estimados Listeros: Estoy precisando urgente comprar bibliografía Java en Español para 3 áreas en particular: A) Java en General, B) Java en desarrollo Web J2EE (Servlets+JSP+Struts+EJB), y C) Java y Seguridad en los Sistemas. (Pongo algunos títulos que me han aconsejado y a su vez , los que pude

Re: [PROPOSAL] 3. RfD on new debian java policy

2003-09-10 Thread Dalibor Topic
Hallo Jan, --- Jan Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hallo Dalibor, > > * Dalibor Topic wrote: > [kdelibs4 problems] > >> all cases to '1', but the latest qt version in unstable is '2'. I don't > >> think that anyone bothers to test their packages, when one of the > >> dependencies changed. > >

Back [was: Re: [VAC] until september 9]

2003-09-10 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
I'm back. It seems there were a lot of discussion last week! I'll be very busy until mid-november but try to read some threads ;) Best regards, -- Arnaud On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:20:37 +0200 (CEST) Arnaud Vandyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'll be on holliday until september 9. >

Re: Installation troubles

2003-09-10 Thread Tom Badran
On Wednesday 10 Sep 2003 14:50, Alejandro Noli wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to install JAVA 2, under Debian but can't run well for instance, > 'java Ejemplo1.class'; it returns: You dont run class files, you run classes. Try: java Ejemplo1 Tom -- ^__^| Tom Badran (oo)\__ |

Installation troubles

2003-09-10 Thread Alejandro Noli
Hi, I'm trying to install JAVA 2, under Debian but can't run well for instance, 'java Ejemplo1.class'; it returns: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Ejemplo1/class I have installed as follows: Any suggestions? Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Estado=No/

Re: Installation troubles

2003-09-10 Thread Alejandro Noli
Fixed, thanks. :-) It was very stupid thing, sorry. El miércoles 10, a las 14:57, Tom Badran escribió: Content-Description: signed data > On Wednesday 10 Sep 2003 14:50, Alejandro Noli wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm trying to install JAVA 2, under Debian but can't run well for instance, > > 'java Eje

Bibliografía !! Por Favor !!!

2003-09-10 Thread ingelhornsistemas_linux
Estimados Listeros: Estoy precisando urgente comprar bibliografía Java en Español para 3 áreas en particular: A) Java en General, B) Java en desarrollo Web J2EE (Servlets+JSP+Struts+EJB), y C) Java y Seguridad en los Sistemas. (Pongo algunos títulos que me han aconsejado y a su vez , los que pude

Re: Installation troubles

2003-09-10 Thread Tom Badran
On Wednesday 10 Sep 2003 14:50, Alejandro Noli wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to install JAVA 2, under Debian but can't run well for instance, > 'java Ejemplo1.class'; it returns: You dont run class files, you run classes. Try: java Ejemplo1 Tom -- ^__^| Tom Badran (oo)\__ |

Installation troubles

2003-09-10 Thread Alejandro Noli
Hi, I'm trying to install JAVA 2, under Debian but can't run well for instance, 'java Ejemplo1.class'; it returns: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Ejemplo1/class I have installed as follows: Any suggestions? Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Estado=No/