Which JSP Engine

2002-05-25 Thread Blue Trance
Hi list,   I am not sure if this is off topic for the lsit, I'm sure if it is someone will let me know :).   I have had a request from one of our clients for JSP support on our web server.    What I am wanting to do is have JSP supported on our web server in the same waythat .php scripts are

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-25 Thread Rick Lutowski
Franck Routier wrote: > > So what ? Are you all telling me you are going to develop a Moz plugin > for IBM JDK, or that your are going to implement a jit for Blackdown, or > what How about a Java3D-based applet that seamlessly extends IE and Netscape to handle 3D pages as well as 2D pages?

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-25 Thread Andrew Ferrier
On 2002-05-25 at 08:38, Rick Lutowski wrote: > The problem IMO is that these powerful technologies are > frequently used simply for glitz and not to provide real > content or capability. The same can be said about > 'gratuitous gifs', i.e., using image files to implement > simple things like a li

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-25 Thread Rick Lutowski
Michel Dänzer wrote: > > > What is so bad about Java and Flash anyway? > > They're not bad per se, but IME they're mostly good for complementary > stuff and sites which require them are simply broken IMHO > ('accessibility' comes to mind). The problem IMO is that these powerful technologies are

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-25 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 05:08, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: > Josh Huber writes: > > Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized. > >> 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers > >> 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers > >>

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-25 Thread Rick Lutowski
Franck Routier wrote: > > So what ? Are you all telling me you are going to develop a Moz plugin > for IBM JDK, or that your are going to implement a jit for Blackdown, or > what How about a Java3D-based applet that seamlessly extends IE and Netscape to handle 3D pages as well as 2D pages?

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-25 Thread Andrew Ferrier
On 2002-05-25 at 08:38, Rick Lutowski wrote: > The problem IMO is that these powerful technologies are > frequently used simply for glitz and not to provide real > content or capability. The same can be said about > 'gratuitous gifs', i.e., using image files to implement > simple things like a l

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-25 Thread Rick Lutowski
Michel Dänzer wrote: > > > What is so bad about Java and Flash anyway? > > They're not bad per se, but IME they're mostly good for complementary > stuff and sites which require them are simply broken IMHO > ('accessibility' comes to mind). The problem IMO is that these powerful technologies are

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-25 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 05:08, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: > Josh Huber writes: > > Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized. > >> 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers > >> 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers > >>

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-25 Thread Wilhelm *Rafial* Fitzpatrick
Sure, but the subject was : we've finally got a JVM with JIT under PPC Linux, and that's nice... Oh I agree. I installed it earlier today and it makes Tomcat go "whoosh!". Strangely it makes BeanShell take much longer to start up though. So what ? Are you all telling me you are going to develo

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-25 Thread Franck Routier
Le ven 24/05/2002 à 21:54, Wilhelm *Rafial* Fitzpatrick a écrit : > As satisfying as it may be for us to wallow in our "uphill, both > ways, in the snow, img tag the cause of all moral failings" > attitudes, it does occur every now and then in my workaday life that > I must go and wrest some ti

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-25 Thread Wilhelm *Rafial* Fitzpatrick
>Sure, but the subject was : we've finally got a JVM with JIT under PPC >Linux, and that's nice... Oh I agree. I installed it earlier today and it makes Tomcat go "whoosh!". Strangely it makes BeanShell take much longer to start up though. >So what ? Are you all telling me you are going to d

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-25 Thread Franck Routier
Le ven 24/05/2002 à 21:54, Wilhelm *Rafial* Fitzpatrick a écrit : > As satisfying as it may be for us to wallow in our "uphill, both > ways, in the snow, img tag the cause of all moral failings" > attitudes, it does occur every now and then in my workaday life that > I must go and wrest some t