Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
Josh Huber writes: > Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized. >> 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers >> 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers >> 3. No Java 3D for browsers = no 3D for the Web > > And this is a pro

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Wilhelm *Rafial* Fitzpatrick
At 9:44 AM +0900 5/25/02, electric-light-heads wrote: mmm..then which JDK wil be the best to do only text oriented io & claculations? am only planning to use java to do xml > calc > text > csound > jsyn If you are not planning to use any of the UI toolkits (Swing/AWT) you might give gcj a whirl an

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Rick Lutowski
electric-light-heads wrote: > > mmm..then which JDK wil be the best > to do only text oriented io & claculations? > > am only planning to use java to do > xml > calc > text > csound > jsyn xml = JDK 1.4 More rationale for Java Plug-in Browsers can't stay stuck at 1.1 forever or we all suffer (

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
Josh Huber writes: > Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized. >> 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers >> 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers >> 3. No Java 3D for browsers = no 3D for the Web > > And this is a pr

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread electric-light-heads
mmm..then which JDK wil be the best to do only text oriented io & claculations? am only planning to use java to do xml > calc > text > csound > jsyn > > Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized. > > 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers > > 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Ja

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Wilhelm *Rafial* Fitzpatrick
At 9:44 AM +0900 5/25/02, electric-light-heads wrote: >mmm..then which JDK wil be the best >to do only text oriented io & claculations? > >am only planning to use java to do >xml > calc > text > csound > jsyn If you are not planning to use any of the UI toolkits (Swing/AWT) you might give gcj a

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Rick Lutowski
electric-light-heads wrote: > > mmm..then which JDK wil be the best > to do only text oriented io & claculations? > > am only planning to use java to do > xml > calc > text > csound > jsyn xml = JDK 1.4 More rationale for Java Plug-in Browsers can't stay stuck at 1.1 forever or we all suffer

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread electric-light-heads
mmm..then which JDK wil be the best to do only text oriented io & claculations? am only planning to use java to do xml > calc > text > csound > jsyn > > Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized. > > 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers > > 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no J

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Wilhelm *Rafial* Fitzpatrick
> And this is a problem why? IMHO, the web is much nicer without java & > flash. Amen. As satisfying as it may be for us to wallow in our "uphill, both ways, in the snow, img tag the cause of all moral failings" attitudes, it does occur every now and then in my workaday life that I must go an

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Franck Routier
Le ven 24/05/2002 à 20:23, Josh Huber a écrit : > > And this is a problem why? IMHO, the web is much nicer without java & > flash. I also don't think java is for client side stuff. Anyway, one can still use Blackdown JDK if java plugin is needed :-) But if you run stuff like Tomcat, JBoss, Jona

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Rick Lutowski
Josh Huber wrote: > > Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized. > > 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers > > 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers > > 3. No Java 3D for browsers = no 3D for the Web > > And this

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Josh Huber
Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized. > 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers > 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers > 3. No Java 3D for browsers = no 3D for the Web And this is a problem why? IMHO, the web is

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Wilhelm *Rafial* Fitzpatrick
> > And this is a problem why? IMHO, the web is much nicer without java & > > flash. >Amen. As satisfying as it may be for us to wallow in our "uphill, both ways, in the snow, img tag the cause of all moral failings" attitudes, it does occur every now and then in my workaday life that I mus

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Franck Routier
Le ven 24/05/2002 à 20:23, Josh Huber a écrit : > > And this is a problem why? IMHO, the web is much nicer without java & > flash. I also don't think java is for client side stuff. Anyway, one can still use Blackdown JDK if java plugin is needed :-) But if you run stuff like Tomcat, JBoss, Jon

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Rick Lutowski
Josh Huber wrote: > > Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized. > > 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers > > 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers > > 3. No Java 3D for browsers = no 3D for the Web > > And thi

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Rick Lutowski
Franck Routier wrote: > > At 12:06 24.05.2002 +0200, Jeffo wrote: > >Allready adopted it a month or two ago. > >Nevertheless, there is a big probleme : > >NO JAVA PLUGIN. > > > >that's a quite big problem for a notebook used for accessing the internet !! > > Is it ?? Yes, it's a _much_ bigger pr

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Wilhelm *Rafial* Fitzpatrick
At 12:06 PM +0200 5/24/02, Jeffo wrote: Allready adopted it a month or two ago. Nevertheless, there is a big probleme : NO JAVA PLUGIN. that's a quite big problem for a notebook used for accessing the internet !! Hey, I've already got two JVMs installed because Tomcat crashes constantly under Blac

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Josh Huber
Rick Lutowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, it's a _much_ bigger problem than generally realized. > 1. No Java Plug-in = no Java 2 for browsers > 2. No Java 2 for browsers = no Java 3D for browsers > 3. No Java 3D for browsers = no 3D for the Web And this is a problem why? IMHO, the web is

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Rick Lutowski
Franck Routier wrote: > > At 12:06 24.05.2002 +0200, Jeffo wrote: > >Allready adopted it a month or two ago. > >Nevertheless, there is a big probleme : > >NO JAVA PLUGIN. > > > >that's a quite big problem for a notebook used for accessing the internet !! > > Is it ?? Yes, it's a _much_ bigger p

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Wilhelm *Rafial* Fitzpatrick
At 12:06 PM +0200 5/24/02, Jeffo wrote: >Allready adopted it a month or two ago. >Nevertheless, there is a big probleme : >NO JAVA PLUGIN. > >that's a quite big problem for a notebook used for accessing the internet !! Hey, I've already got two JVMs installed because Tomcat crashes constantly un

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Franck Routier
At 12:06 24.05.2002 +0200, Jeffo wrote: Allready adopted it a month or two ago. Nevertheless, there is a big probleme : NO JAVA PLUGIN. that's a quite big problem for a notebook used for accessing the internet !! Is it ?? Franck --- Franck Routier SHC - Support FIH9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email t

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Jeffo
Allready adopted it a month or two ago. Nevertheless, there is a big probleme : NO JAVA PLUGIN. that's a quite big problem for a notebook used for accessing the internet !! jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Franck Routier
Hi, just to make you Debian people know I had no problem running the latest IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC Linux. This JDK includes a JVM _WITH_ JIT, and outperformes by far the Blackdown JVM. The IBM JDK is not free (in the sense of liberté) but is not for sale either... Well, java is not free anyway...

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Franck Routier
At 12:06 24.05.2002 +0200, Jeffo wrote: >Allready adopted it a month or two ago. >Nevertheless, there is a big probleme : >NO JAVA PLUGIN. > >that's a quite big problem for a notebook used for accessing the internet !! Is it ?? Franck --- Franck Routier SHC - Support FIH9 -- To UNSUBSC

Re: Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Jeffo
Allready adopted it a month or two ago. Nevertheless, there is a big probleme : NO JAVA PLUGIN. that's a quite big problem for a notebook used for accessing the internet !! jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Success with IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC _WITH_ JIT

2002-05-24 Thread Franck Routier
Hi, just to make you Debian people know I had no problem running the latest IBM JDK 1.3.0 for PPC Linux. This JDK includes a JVM _WITH_ JIT, and outperformes by far the Blackdown JVM. The IBM JDK is not free (in the sense of liberté) but is not for sale either... Well, java is not free anyway