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Re: STOP INCLUDING EXTERNAL JARS IN YOUR JAVA PACKAGES!

2001-11-10 Thread Kevin A. Burton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You say that the war-files allow the classloading. That is not entirely > true. Take tomcat for example. > > * You place a war-file in the specified directory. > > * Restart tomcat. > > * Tomcat now unzi

Re: Classpath and versioned libraries for Debian-Java

2001-11-10 Thread Kevin A. Burton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Max Kellermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I have a question to you all. Should we allow the same interface in > > different > > packages? It seems to create strange conflicts but sometime it is necessary, > > or? What do you all think? > > Tha

Re: Classpath and versioned libraries for Debian-Java

2001-11-10 Thread Kevin A. Burton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Max Kellermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sometimes I think Sun forgets about all the people who write Java application, > while they are hyping applets, servlets, J2EE etc. Does anyone still remember > Jini? What has happened to that "revolution"

Java IDE from IBM released under OSI approved license

2001-11-10 Thread Johan Walles
IBM have released Eclipse (www.eclipse.org) under the "Common Public License". Eclipse is (among other things) what will become the base for their successor to the (IMO excellent) "Visual Age for Java" IDE. It is written in Java, and requires "an 1.3 level Java runtime environment" to run. More

Re: STOP INCLUDING EXTERNAL JARS IN YOUR JAVA PACKAGES!

2001-11-10 Thread Kevin A. Burton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You say that the war-files allow the classloading. That is not entirely > true. Take tomcat for example. > > * You place a war-file in the specified directory. > > * Restart tomcat. > > * Tomcat now unz

Re: Classpath and versioned libraries for Debian-Java

2001-11-10 Thread Kevin A. Burton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Max Kellermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I have a question to you all. Should we allow the same interface in different > > packages? It seems to create strange conflicts but sometime it is necessary, > > or? What do you all think? > > That's

Re: Classpath and versioned libraries for Debian-Java

2001-11-10 Thread Kevin A. Burton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Max Kellermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sometimes I think Sun forgets about all the people who write Java application, > while they are hyping applets, servlets, J2EE etc. Does anyone still remember > Jini? What has happened to that "revolution

Java IDE from IBM released under OSI approved license

2001-11-10 Thread Johan Walles
IBM have released Eclipse (www.eclipse.org) under the "Common Public License". Eclipse is (among other things) what will become the base for their successor to the (IMO excellent) "Visual Age for Java" IDE. It is written in Java, and requires "an 1.3 level Java runtime environment" to run. More

Re: Classpath and versioned libraries for Debian-Java

2001-11-10 Thread Max Kellermann
On 0, Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No Class-Path at all whenever possible.. remember the example that Xalan2 > > provides a Xalan1-compatibility layer - it Xalan2 must be included, we can > > satisfy all Xalan1-dependencies with that library (with lower precedence). > > Not poss

Re: Classpath and versioned libraries for Debian-Java

2001-11-10 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 01:08:42PM +0100, Max Kellermann wrote: > On 0, Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have now read this. Not very much of a documentation so I have some > > questions... :) > > > > The Class-Path:-thing. Is it per Name: (class) or per jar-file? > > > What exact

Re: Classpath and versioned libraries for Debian-Java

2001-11-10 Thread Max Kellermann
On 0, Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have now read this. Not very much of a documentation so I have some > questions... :) > > The Class-Path:-thing. Is it per Name: (class) or per jar-file? What exactly do you mean with "Name: (class)" ? > > This whole thing seems to me very br

Re: Classpath and versioned libraries for Debian-Java

2001-11-10 Thread Max Kellermann
On 0, Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No Class-Path at all whenever possible.. remember the example that Xalan2 provides >a Xalan1-compatibility layer - it Xalan2 must be included, we can satisfy all >Xalan1-dependencies with that library (with lower precedence). Not possible with

Re: Classpath and versioned libraries for Debian-Java

2001-11-10 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 01:08:42PM +0100, Max Kellermann wrote: > On 0, Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have now read this. Not very much of a documentation so I have some > > questions... :) > > > > The Class-Path:-thing. Is it per Name: (class) or per jar-file? > > > What exac

Re: Classpath and versioned libraries for Debian-Java

2001-11-10 Thread Max Kellermann
On 0, Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have now read this. Not very much of a documentation so I have some > questions... :) > > The Class-Path:-thing. Is it per Name: (class) or per jar-file? What exactly do you mean with "Name: (class)" ? > > This whole thing seems to me very b

Re: STOP INCLUDING EXTERNAL JARS IN YOUR JAVA PACKAGES!

2001-11-10 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 12:51:07PM +1100, Jeff Turner wrote: > > * Tomcat now unzips this file to the webapp directory. > > Or if you're running Tomcat 4.0 and have unpackWARs="false", the war > isn't unzipped. I think that's Sun's goal. In the same way jars aren't > unpacked before you can use th

Re: STOP INCLUDING EXTERNAL JARS IN YOUR JAVA PACKAGES!

2001-11-10 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 12:51:07PM +1100, Jeff Turner wrote: > > * Tomcat now unzips this file to the webapp directory. > > Or if you're running Tomcat 4.0 and have unpackWARs="false", the war > isn't unzipped. I think that's Sun's goal. In the same way jars aren't > unpacked before you can use t

Re: Vive la Revolution! (Re: Classpath and versioned libraries for Debian-Java)

2001-11-10 Thread Jeff Turner
On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 05:22:50PM +0100, Max Kellermann wrote: > On 0, Jeff Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How about using the jar manifest to store the jar metadata, as Sun > > intended? Make the jars their own database. A platform-independent > > database :) > > > Jeff, your idea sound