Re: Sun's Community Licence

1999-07-28 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Wed, Jul 28, 1999 at 01:51:18PM -0700, Cris J. Holdorph wrote: > Ok, but you can pick up books that document the Class Libraries and the > language specification too. I'm sure, sooner, or later, there'll be a Jini > book too, but I'll forgo that point for now. I simply think that we're > first

Re: Sun's Community Licence

1999-07-28 Thread Cris J. Holdorph
Ean R . Schuessler Writes: > On Wed, Jul 28, 1999 at 11:14:53AM -0700, Cris J. Holdorph wrote: > > You missed my point though. The section you quote, is from the SCSL, which > > you read and agree to (either in writing or by clicking on "I accept"). > > You do not have to do either, matter of fact

Re: Sun's Community Licence

1999-07-28 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Wed, Jul 28, 1999 at 11:14:53AM -0700, Cris J. Holdorph wrote: > You missed my point though. The section you quote, is from the SCSL, which > you read and agree to (either in writing or by clicking on "I accept"). > You do not have to do either, matter of fact I doubt the SCSL is anywhere > in

Re: Sun's Community Licence

1999-07-28 Thread Cris J. Holdorph
Ean R . Schuessler Writes: > On Wed, Jul 28, 1999 at 10:26:41AM -0700, Cris J. Holdorph wrote: > > So would that cover if someone went to Amazon.com and ordered "The Java > > Virtual Machine Specification", 2cd ed, by Lindholm & Yellin (ISBN > > 0201432943) > > and then implement according to that

Re: Sun's Community Licence (Was: Various issues: kaffe, compilers, freeness, etc.

1999-07-28 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Wed, Jul 28, 1999 at 10:26:41AM -0700, Cris J. Holdorph wrote: > So would that cover if someone went to Amazon.com and ordered "The Java > Virtual Machine Specification", 2cd ed, by Lindholm & Yellin (ISBN 0201432943) > and then implement according to that, then you say that Sun claims it as a >

Re: Sun's Community Licence (Was: Various issues: kaffe, compilers, freeness, etc.

1999-07-28 Thread Cris J. Holdorph
Ean R . Schuessler Writes: > The SCSL is like the GPL, a viral license. The chief difference, however, > is that the GPL makes everything it touches subject to free redistribution > and a garauntee of source availability and the SCSL makes everything it > touches subject to Sun licensing fees. The

Re: Sun's Community Licence (Was: Various issues: kaffe, compilers, freeness, etc.

1999-07-28 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Wed, Jul 28, 1999 at 11:24:24AM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > - A total ban on SCSL code. The license is simply too dangerous to > > include in the Debian distribution, even under non-free. > > Could you elaborate on that? The SCSL is like the GPL, a viral license. The chief differen

Re: Too much is too much: One month in Incoming

1999-07-28 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Wed, Jul 28, 1999 at 10:53:38AM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > Regarding the issue in the subject, I assume you have no part in the > management of dinstall and of the override file? Nope, unfortunatly. -- ___ Ean Schuessle

Re: autoconf for Java?

1999-07-28 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tuesday 27 July 1999, at 13 h 4, the keyboard of Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm looking for a set of autoconf macros to create configure scripts for them They don't seem to exist, so here is my version: divert(-1) autoconf M4 macros for Java programs Copyright Stephan

Sun's Community Licence (Was: Various issues: kaffe, compilers, freeness, etc.

1999-07-28 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tuesday 27 July 1999, at 8 h 43, the keyboard of "Ean R . Schuessler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > continue our efforts in the face of the SCSL. I have read the SCSL > quite carefully and I can tell you that it is utterly incompatible > with any notion of free software. OK. > - A total ban

Java policy and its lacks (Was: Various issues: kaffe, compilers, freeness, etc.

1999-07-28 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tuesday 27 July 1999, at 8 h 43, the keyboard of "Ean R . Schuessler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > like. I would tend to repeat the comments that others have stated > regarding its weaknesses. Caution: we are running straight into the problem that already killed the previous proposals. "It i

Kaffe and its bugs (Was: Various issues: kaffe, compilers, freeness, etc.

1999-07-28 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tuesday 27 July 1999, at 8 h 43, the keyboard of "Ean R . Schuessler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Firstly, I'd like to address the notion that you can't do anything > useful without commercial Java on your system. This seems patently > false. At least in slink, it is impossible. In potato,

Re: Too much is too much: One month in Incoming

1999-07-28 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tuesday 27 July 1999, at 8 h 32, the keyboard of "Ean R . Schuessler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is another way to handle this. You should set up a web based > ..deb repository, [...] This will allow you to experiment more easily. Well, at the present time, anyone could retrieve the p