Re: webmail for debian

2002-02-10 Thread Theodore Knab
> > does anybody know some webmail system for debian? Just remember there is both IMAP and POP. With webmail this is important. IMAP is more efficient than POP. With IMAP, the webmail client will grap the mail headers first. When users click on the mail to view, the webmail client will send a

Re: "transparent" firewall possible?

2002-02-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.02.09.0151 +0100]: > Well I have a /29 subnet - what I mean is that BT offer no way to > have say a DMZ next to the router with a firewall (with a /30) and > the other /30 routed via the firewall device. That where the layer > 2 firewall comes in han

Re: Building custom kernel based off stock debian kernel

2002-02-10 Thread Theodore Knab
If you fully understand how to compile the kernel and know all the devices your system needs, it might be easier to get the source from kernel.org. This way you only need to deal with one package. linux-2.4.17.tar.gz I don't understand what the advantage of using the kernel-source from the De

RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Jason Lim
Hi, Okay... for those of you following the previous RAID discussion... I bought the 3ware cards. Each server has 4 40G hard disks (identical). What RAID level/config do you suggest? Main usage is web/database/mail server (the usual hosting setup). Disk performance isn't THAT important, but relia

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Lev Lvovsky
I'd go with Raid5 personally... it really depends also on your monetary needs, and how often you do backups. -lev On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Jason Lim wrote: > Hi, > > Okay... for those of you following the previous RAID discussion... I > bought the 3ware cards. > > Each server has 4 40G hard disks

Re: Building custom kernel based off stock debian kernel

2002-02-10 Thread Nick Jennings
On Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 11:19:17AM -0500, Theodore Knab wrote: > If you fully understand how to compile the kernel and know all the devices > your system needs, it might be easier to get the source from kernel.org. > This way you only need to deal with one package. > > linux-2.4.17.tar.gz > >

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Jason Lim
With RAID5 and 4 disks... the RAID5 would not survive more than 1 disk failing... that sort of gives me the heebie jeebies. Thats why I thought RAID5 with 3 disks and 1 spare or RAID10. Backups are done daily, but the data is sent to a central backup server, so it takes a while to pull the releve

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Lev Lvovsky
On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Jason Lim wrote: > With RAID5 and 4 disks... the RAID5 would not survive more than 1 disk > failing... that sort of gives me the heebie jeebies. > Thats why I thought RAID5 with 3 disks and 1 spare or RAID10. again, it really depends on your monetary capabilities, and how mu

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Jason Lim
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Jason Lim wrote: > > > With RAID5 and 4 disks... the RAID5 would not survive more than 1 disk > > failing... that sort of gives me the heebie jeebies. > > Thats why I thought RAID5 with 3 disks and 1 spare or RAID10. > > again, it really depends on your monetary capabilities

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Bart-Jan Vrielink
On Sun, 2002-02-10 at 22:38, Jason Lim wrote: > Okay, as you said, with RAID10 and 4 40G HDs, usable space is 80Gs. > > On the other hand, with RAID5 and 3 40G HDs, usable space is also 80Gs, > with 1 spare HD for rebuilding. > > The question becomes... which provides more performance and is mo

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Lev Lvovsky
On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Jason Lim wrote: > Disk space is not a major consideration: this is not a fileserver. It is a > webserver, so we're looking at more sporadic random small file reads. I > know its not likely to happen (that is, that more than 1 disk dies at a > time), but I want to get the ser

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Jason Lim
> > Okay, as you said, with RAID10 and 4 40G HDs, usable space is 80Gs. > > > > On the other hand, with RAID5 and 3 40G HDs, usable space is also 80Gs, > > with 1 spare HD for rebuilding. > > > > The question becomes... which provides more performance and is more > > reliable? > > RAID10 will give

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Jason Lim
> RAID5: > > the "spare" is distributed over all of the disks...in the case of 4 disks, > one of the disks can be thought of as a spare, which leaves you with 3 * > 40 = 120 GB. > > depending on the failure type, this is your outcome: Um... the 3ware card has the ability to mark 1 drive as a "spa

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Bart-Jan Vrielink
On Sun, 2002-02-10 at 23:09, Jason Lim wrote: > > > Okay, as you said, with RAID10 and 4 40G HDs, usable space is 80Gs. > > > > > > On the other hand, with RAID5 and 3 40G HDs, usable space is also > 80Gs, > > > with 1 spare HD for rebuilding. > > > > > > The question becomes... which provides mor

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Jason Lim
> > > > The CPU won't be handling this... the 3ware RAID card (hardware) will > > perform the parity calculations, so RAID 5 won't cause that type of > > slowdown due to additional CPU utilization. > > Mmm, this is one of the rare IDE RAID cards that are true hardware RAID. > But you still have o

Re: webmail for debian

2002-02-10 Thread Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > does anybody know some webmail system for debian? Try twig http://twig.screwdriver.net/ Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 02:14:32PM -0800, Lev Lvovsky wrote: > err, unless I'm mistaken: > > RAID10: > mirrored system = total/2 = 80 > striped system = single * 2 = 80 > > combined that gives you a mirrored & striped "drive". > > this gives you 80GB total correct. raid10 gives "n/2" capacity

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:34, Jason Lim wrote: > Okay... for those of you following the previous RAID discussion... I > bought the 3ware cards. > > Each server has 4 40G hard disks (identical). What RAID level/config do > you suggest? > Main usage is web/database/mail server (the usual hosting setup)

Re: webmail for debian

2002-02-10 Thread Theodore Knab
> > does anybody know some webmail system for debian? Just remember there is both IMAP and POP. With webmail this is important. IMAP is more efficient than POP. With IMAP, the webmail client will grap the mail headers first. When users click on the mail to view, the webmail client will send a

Re: "transparent" firewall possible?

2002-02-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.02.09.0151 +0100]: > Well I have a /29 subnet - what I mean is that BT offer no way to > have say a DMZ next to the router with a firewall (with a /30) and > the other /30 routed via the firewall device. That where the layer > 2 firewall comes in hand

Re: Building custom kernel based off stock debian kernel

2002-02-10 Thread Theodore Knab
If you fully understand how to compile the kernel and know all the devices your system needs, it might be easier to get the source from kernel.org. This way you only need to deal with one package. linux-2.4.17.tar.gz I don't understand what the advantage of using the kernel-source from the Deb

RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Jason Lim
Hi, Okay... for those of you following the previous RAID discussion... I bought the 3ware cards. Each server has 4 40G hard disks (identical). What RAID level/config do you suggest? Main usage is web/database/mail server (the usual hosting setup). Disk performance isn't THAT important, but reliab

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Lev Lvovsky
I'd go with Raid5 personally... it really depends also on your monetary needs, and how often you do backups. -lev On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Jason Lim wrote: > Hi, > > Okay... for those of you following the previous RAID discussion... I > bought the 3ware cards. > > Each server has 4 40G hard disks

Re: Building custom kernel based off stock debian kernel

2002-02-10 Thread Nick Jennings
On Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 11:19:17AM -0500, Theodore Knab wrote: > If you fully understand how to compile the kernel and know all the devices > your system needs, it might be easier to get the source from kernel.org. > This way you only need to deal with one package. > > linux-2.4.17.tar.gz > > I

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Jason Lim
With RAID5 and 4 disks... the RAID5 would not survive more than 1 disk failing... that sort of gives me the heebie jeebies. Thats why I thought RAID5 with 3 disks and 1 spare or RAID10. Backups are done daily, but the data is sent to a central backup server, so it takes a while to pull the releven

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Lev Lvovsky
On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Jason Lim wrote: > With RAID5 and 4 disks... the RAID5 would not survive more than 1 disk > failing... that sort of gives me the heebie jeebies. > Thats why I thought RAID5 with 3 disks and 1 spare or RAID10. again, it really depends on your monetary capabilities, and how muc

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Jason Lim
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Jason Lim wrote: > > > With RAID5 and 4 disks... the RAID5 would not survive more than 1 disk > > failing... that sort of gives me the heebie jeebies. > > Thats why I thought RAID5 with 3 disks and 1 spare or RAID10. > > again, it really depends on your monetary capabilities,

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Bart-Jan Vrielink
On Sun, 2002-02-10 at 22:38, Jason Lim wrote: > Okay, as you said, with RAID10 and 4 40G HDs, usable space is 80Gs. > > On the other hand, with RAID5 and 3 40G HDs, usable space is also 80Gs, > with 1 spare HD for rebuilding. > > The question becomes... which provides more performance and is mor

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Lev Lvovsky
On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Jason Lim wrote: > Disk space is not a major consideration: this is not a fileserver. It is a > webserver, so we're looking at more sporadic random small file reads. I > know its not likely to happen (that is, that more than 1 disk dies at a > time), but I want to get the serv

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Jason Lim
> > Okay, as you said, with RAID10 and 4 40G HDs, usable space is 80Gs. > > > > On the other hand, with RAID5 and 3 40G HDs, usable space is also 80Gs, > > with 1 spare HD for rebuilding. > > > > The question becomes... which provides more performance and is more > > reliable? > > RAID10 will give

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Jason Lim
> RAID5: > > the "spare" is distributed over all of the disks...in the case of 4 disks, > one of the disks can be thought of as a spare, which leaves you with 3 * > 40 = 120 GB. > > depending on the failure type, this is your outcome: Um... the 3ware card has the ability to mark 1 drive as a "spar

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Bart-Jan Vrielink
On Sun, 2002-02-10 at 23:09, Jason Lim wrote: > > > Okay, as you said, with RAID10 and 4 40G HDs, usable space is 80Gs. > > > > > > On the other hand, with RAID5 and 3 40G HDs, usable space is also > 80Gs, > > > with 1 spare HD for rebuilding. > > > > > > The question becomes... which provides more

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Jason Lim
> > > > The CPU won't be handling this... the 3ware RAID card (hardware) will > > perform the parity calculations, so RAID 5 won't cause that type of > > slowdown due to additional CPU utilization. > > Mmm, this is one of the rare IDE RAID cards that are true hardware RAID. > But you still have on

Re: webmail for debian

2002-02-10 Thread Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > does anybody know some webmail system for debian? Try twig http://twig.screwdriver.net/ Yours Tony. /* * "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them." * --Albert Einstein *

Re: RAID Suggestion for webserver

2002-02-10 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 02:14:32PM -0800, Lev Lvovsky wrote: > err, unless I'm mistaken: > > RAID10: > mirrored system = total/2 = 80 > striped system = single * 2 = 80 > > combined that gives you a mirrored & striped "drive". > > this gives you 80GB total correct. raid10 gives "n/2" capacity