Re: Bug#440420: [PROPOSAL] Manual page encoding

2008-03-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Christian Perrier seconded this here: > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=440420#100 > > However, since later discussion indicated that we should drop the .UTF-8 > business, I think we can also drop it from the policy proposal. (Manual

Re: Bug#440420: [PROPOSAL] Manual page encoding

2008-02-11 Thread Colin Watson
retitle 440420 [AMENDMENT 11/02/2008] Manual page encoding severity 440420 normal thanks On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 12:29:35PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > --- orig/policy.sgml > +++ mod/policy.sgml > @@ -8521,6 +8521,37 @@ > be present in the future. > > > + > + > +

Re: Bug#440420: [PROPOSAL] Manual page encoding

2008-02-09 Thread Christian Perrier
(resending that mail that apparently never made it to its recipients) Quoting Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Christian Perrier seconded this here: > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=440420#100 > > However, since later discussion indicated that we should drop the .UTF-8

Re: Bug#440420: [PROPOSAL] Manual page encoding

2008-01-28 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi, On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 12:29:35 +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 02:37:48PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 10:28:12PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > I propose that policy should standardise that we mo

Re: Bug#440420: [PROPOSAL] Manual page encoding

2008-01-28 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 02:37:48PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 10:28:12PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I propose that policy should standardise that we move to using UTF-8 as > > > the source encoding for all manual pages sin

Re: Bug#440420: [PROPOSAL] Manual page encoding

2008-01-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Jan 01, 2008 at 11:37:30AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I'm still open to whether new-world-order pages should go in > > /usr/share/man/LL.UTF-8 or just /usr/share/man/LL. Pros for LL.UTF-8: > > > > * Non-compliant implementations (I'm guessing

Re: Bug#440420: [PROPOSAL] Manual page encoding

2008-01-01 Thread Christian Perrier
(Colin CC'ed in case he's not subscribed to the bug or to the debian-policy package PTS) Quoting Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > This proposal and patch looks good to me, although I'd prefer to see a few > more seconds before I queue it up for applying to Policy 3.7.4. I can't really make t

Re: Bug#440420: [PROPOSAL] Manual page encoding

2008-01-01 Thread Russ Allbery
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Right. Here's an update; I think I've captured most of the discussion in > the thread so far. The following patch could in principle be applied > now, given seconds. Wordsmithing welcome, as I'm aware that this is a > rather dense recommendation; I'm also

Re: Bug#440420: [PROPOSAL] Manual page encoding

2007-12-31 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 10:28:12PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I propose that policy should standardise that we move to using UTF-8 as > > the source encoding for all manual pages since it clearly makes sense to > > do so. This will still need to be spe

Re: Bug#440420: [PROPOSAL] Manual page encoding

2007-12-30 Thread Russ Allbery
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I propose that policy should standardise that we move to using UTF-8 as > the source encoding for all manual pages since it clearly makes sense to > do so. This will still need to be specified by each manual page (by > means of the directory in which it i

Re: Bug#440420: [PROPOSAL] Manual page encoding

2007-09-05 Thread Clytie Siddall
I support the proposal for UTF-8 manual page encoding. I don't know which groff Debian is currently using, but... On 04/09/2007, at 8:22 PM, Colin Watson wrote: * Because our current groff implementation imposes quite strict restrictions on what input and output encodings are possible, a

Re: Bug#440420: [PROPOSAL] Manual page encoding

2007-09-04 Thread Jens Seidel
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 01:35:48PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 02:04:32PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: > > Is it save to use UTF-8 characters if a very similar character exists in > > ASCII or can be expressed using groff macros? Think about the many > > dashes which exist in

Re: Bug#440420: [PROPOSAL] Manual page encoding

2007-09-04 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 02:04:32PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: > On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 11:52:57AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > Thanks. I hope that my comments above clarify some further confusion. I > > would still appreciate concrete information and examples on why you > > don't like the idea of

Re: Bug#440420: [PROPOSAL] Manual page encoding

2007-09-04 Thread Jens Seidel
Hi Colin, there is maybe one item which should be clarified. On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 11:52:57AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > Thanks. I hope that my comments above clarify some further confusion. I > would still appreciate concrete information and examples on why you > don't like the idea of manua

Re: Bug#440420: [PROPOSAL] Manual page encoding

2007-09-04 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 10:55:03AM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > Colin Watson wrote: > >On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 05:38:10PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > >>I don't like the proposal ;-) > >>It is not very POSIXly and to application specific. > > > >Of course it is application-specific;

Bug#440420: [PROPOSAL] Manual page encoding

2007-09-01 Thread Colin Watson
Package: debian-policy Severity: wishlist [CCs: debian-i18n and debian-doc for obvious reasons, and the debhelper maintainer since there's a dh_installman change mentioned in the transition plan further down.] Recently I have encountered some confusion as to the proper encoding of manual pages (w