Re: OT: Palladium (Was Re: eric raymond)

2003-05-19 Thread Niels Möller
Jon Lech Johansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Denmark is one of of the three countries which has already implemented > the EUCD, and the Danish Ministry of Culture has a guideline for their > implementation: > > http://www.kum.dk/sw5335.asp > > Legal: > * Circumvention for playback > * Develo

Re: OT: Palladium (Was Re: eric raymond)

2003-05-19 Thread Jon Lech Johansen
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 09:25:28AM +0200, Niels Möller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > What worries me more is the laws backing it up (the DMCA, and the > corresponding laws being introduced in Europe. And then the software > patents disaster. Etc. It's really depressing). I guess mplayer is > illega

Re: OT: Palladium (Was Re: eric raymond)

2003-05-19 Thread ned
Farid Hajji disait (le 19/05/03 à 13:29) : > > > We're quickly getting off topic here, but I'm not so worried about > > > the > > > technological side of TCPA/Palladium. I think computers without > > > that > > > sort of control will be available for the foreseeable future (like > > > region free D

Re: OT: Palladium (Was Re: eric raymond)

2003-05-19 Thread jeff
Farid Hajji disait (le 19/05/03 à 13:29) : > > > We're quickly getting off topic here, but I'm not so worried about the > > > technological side of TCPA/Palladium. I think computers without that > > > sort of control will be available for the foreseeable future (like > > > region free DVD-players e

Re: OT: Palladium (Was Re: eric raymond)

2003-05-19 Thread Farid Hajji
> > We're quickly getting off topic here, but I'm not so worried about the > > technological side of TCPA/Palladium. I think computers without that > > sort of control will be available for the foreseeable future (like > > region free DVD-players exist, at least in Sweden you can buy them in > > or

Re: OT: Palladium (Was Re: eric raymond)

2003-05-19 Thread Philip Charles
On 19 May 2003, Niels Möller wrote: > We're quickly getting off topic here, but I'm not so worried about the > technological side of TCPA/Palladium. I think computers without that > sort of control will be available for the foreseeable future (like > region free DVD-players exist, at least in Swed

OT: Palladium (Was Re: eric raymond)

2003-05-19 Thread Niels Möller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I really think that there's actually a major threat for the free > software, i'm talking about TCPA/Palladium. We're quickly getting off topic here, but I'm not so worried about the technological side of TCPA/Palladium. I think computers without that sort of control wi

Re: eric raymond

2003-05-18 Thread Barry deFreese
iain d broadfoot wrote: * Petri Koistinen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, 17 May 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want a GNU/Hurd revolution ! :) Drop the 'r' and you'll do just fine. a GNU/Hud revolution? I was sooo tempted to do that but you beat me to it!! -- Barry deFr

Re: eric raymond

2003-05-18 Thread iain d broadfoot
* Petri Koistinen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sat, 17 May 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I want a GNU/Hurd revolution ! :) > > Drop the 'r' and you'll do just fine. a GNU/Hud revolution? -- wh33, y1p33 3tc. "If sharing a thing in no way diminishes it, it is not rightly owned if it i

Re: eric raymond

2003-05-18 Thread Petri Koistinen
On Sat, 17 May 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I want a GNU/Hurd revolution ! :) Drop the 'r' and you'll do just fine. Petri

Re: eric raymond

2003-05-17 Thread Philip Charles
On Sat, 17 May 2003, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > Just because one doesn't agree with someones views doesn't mean that > one should ignore the person if he/she does say something that is of > interest. I would describe Eric Raymond as an empiricalist rather than an idealist

Re: eric raymond

2003-05-17 Thread ned
italist opensource rather than micro$oft. I'm perhaps a bit paranoïd, but if you don't know the TCPA/PAlladium project, have a look at it ! I don't want to hang eric raymond, I want a GNU/Hurd revolution ! :) nicolas -- ... dans dix ans, "sarkozy" sera le nom d'un syndrôme ...

Re: eric raymond

2003-05-17 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Just because one doesn't agree with someones views doesn't mean that one should ignore the person if he/she does say something that is of interest.

Re: eric raymond

2003-05-16 Thread ddavies
list, (i want to be a hacker :) ) > someone said that he must read a book from *eric raymond*. > > I find it strange : > > i thought that "debian-hurd" was a GNU - / free software - list. > > Eric raymond is close to the nra (national rifle association), is > p

Re: eric raymond

2003-05-16 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
read: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html Nicolas said: > I find it strange : > > i thought that "debian-hurd" was a GNU - / free software - list. > > Eric raymond is close to the nra (national rifle association), is > politically a capitalist l

Re: eric raymond

2003-05-16 Thread Moritz Schulte
Hi Nicolas, well, if someone recommended you to read a text by Eric Raymond about `Hackers', that someone did exactly this; nobody recommended you to read a text written by him about his politic views or about this interest in guns. The one thing does not necessarily influence the other thi

RE: eric raymond

2003-05-16 Thread deFreese, Barry
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 12:55 PM > To: debian-hurd@lists.debian.org > Subject: eric raymond > > > In an answer to a mail on this mailiing list, (i want to be a > hacker :) ) > so

eric raymond

2003-05-16 Thread ned
In an answer to a mail on this mailiing list, (i want to be a hacker :) ) someone said that he must read a book from *eric raymond*. I find it strange : i thought that "debian-hurd" was a GNU - / free software - list. Eric raymond is close to the nra (national rifle association), is p