Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-06 Thread Aurelien Jarno
On 2015-05-06 10:44, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > [ with my m68k buildd maintainer and (ex-?) porter hat ] > > Aurelien Jarno dixit: > > >- debian-ports uses mini-dak instead of dak. It uses less resources and > > brings some features that are useful for new architectures like > > accepting binary

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-06 Thread Thorsten Glaser
[ with my m68k buildd maintainer and (ex-?) porter hat ] Aurelien Jarno dixit: >- debian-ports uses mini-dak instead of dak. It uses less resources and > brings some features that are useful for new architectures like > accepting binary uploads when it "improves" the version even if it is > no

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Aurelien Jarno
[ With my debian-ports admin hat ] On 2015-05-04 11:48, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Lucas Nussbaum (2015-05-04): > > I'm wondering if we could find a way to accomodate those architectures > > in an official way, while still limiting the impact on ftpmasters and > > other teams. I'm not entirely clea

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Wookey
+++ Samuel Thibault [2015-05-05 09:17 +0200]: > * Getting binNMUs from d-release transitions > > This saves porters a lot of tedious work that would otherwise be just > duplicated. We are not talking about fine-grain binNMUs here, but > coarse-grain well-known planned binNMUs. Wanna-build supports

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Richard Braun, le Tue 05 May 2015 12:27:10 +, a écrit : > On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 01:36:57PM +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > > Given that the package coverage of the Hurd continuously increased and > > that it just released 0.6 of its core components[1] along with releasing > > Debian GNU

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Richard Braun
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 02:21:00PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > Really?! So Hurd actually has a sufficient number of developers > worldiwde?! And if Devuan is so welcome and Debian so hostile, more > power to them, I just don;t know what are you waiting here and > polluting our ML with toxic tone

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Richard Braun
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 01:36:57PM +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Given that the package coverage of the Hurd continuously increased and > that it just released 0.6 of its core components[1] along with releasing > Debian GNU/Hurd[2], this strikes me as an odd time to throw the Hurd off > ftp

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Richard Braun
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 09:17:02AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > [Speaking for the debian-hurd team] > > Lucas Nussbaum, le Mon 04 May 2015 08:28:22 +0200, a écrit : > > Maybe it's just about supporting and advertising debian-ports as > > Debian's official way to host second-class architectures.

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Montag, 20. April 2015, 00:22:08 schrieb Joerg Jaspert: > hurd-i386 > = > Well before wheezy was released, we talked with the HURD porters, and > they agreed to re-check their archive status just after the wheezy > release[1]. The plan was to move the HURD port off ftp-master if it > was

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 05/05/15 at 09:17 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > * Appearing on packages' and maintainers' PTS > pages like http://buildd.debian.org/bash and > https://buildd.debian.org/sthiba...@debian.org > > * Being considered as "second-class citizen" Note that our developer dashboards (DDPO, Tracker, DM

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
[Speaking for the debian-hurd team] Lucas Nussbaum, le Mon 04 May 2015 08:28:22 +0200, a écrit : > Maybe it's just about supporting and advertising debian-ports as > Debian's official way to host second-class architectures. Maybe > there's more to it. What are the current downsides of moving hurd-

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-04 Thread Samuel Thibault
Joerg Jaspert, le Mon 04 May 2015 18:11:29 +0200, a écrit : > On 13931 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > That pad says: "As a result of current state, d-ports cannot accept more > > ports". If that's still true, it would make sense to postpone dropping > > hurd and sparc until this is fixed.

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-04 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 13931 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > That pad says: "As a result of current state, d-ports cannot accept more > ports". If that's still true, it would make sense to postpone dropping > hurd and sparc until this is fixed... Hurd is already on d-p, so hurd actually has double infrastructure

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-04 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 04/05/15 at 18:04 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > Lucas Nussbaum (2015-05-04): > >> I'm wondering if we could find a way to accomodate those architectures > >> in an official way, while still limiting the impact on ftpmasters and > >> other t

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Lucas Nussbaum (2015-05-04): >> I'm wondering if we could find a way to accomodate those architectures >> in an official way, while still limiting the impact on ftpmasters and >> other teams. I'm not entirely clear on the status of debian-po

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-04 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Lucas Nussbaum (2015-05-04): > I'm wondering if we could find a way to accomodate those architectures > in an official way, while still limiting the impact on ftpmasters and > other teams. I'm not entirely clear on the status of debian-ports.org, > and of what the current downsides of using debian

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 20/04/15 at 00:22 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Hi, > > As the jessie release approaches, the ftp-team have been reviewing the > status of the architectures in unstable. > > Neither sparc nor hurd-i386 are going to release with jessie and we are > therefore looking at their future in unstable.

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Joerg Jaspert, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 00:22:08 +0200, a écrit : > hurd-i386 > = > Well before wheezy was released, we talked with the HURD porters, and > they agreed to re-check their archive status just after the wheezy > release[1]. The plan was to move the HURD port off ftp-master if

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Samuel Thibault
Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 14:38:17 +0200, a écrit : > On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 14:27 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 14:24:34 +0200, a écrit : > > > On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 13:55 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > > Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 13:49:

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Svante Signell
On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 14:21 +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > > On 04/20/2015 01:49 PM, Svante Signell wrote: > > On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 12:50 +0200, Justus Winter wrote: ... > I for one am very > grateful of all work Samuel and Justus put on Hurd and although I am a > Linux user I have big sentimenta

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Svante Signell
On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 14:27 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 14:24:34 +0200, a écrit : > > On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 13:55 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 13:49:37 +0200, a écrit : > > > > > > Well, Hurd is welcome to Devuan if s

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Samuel Thibault
Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 14:24:34 +0200, a écrit : > On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 13:55 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 13:49:37 +0200, a écrit : > > > > Well, Hurd is welcome to Devuan if sufficiently many developers commit > > > their time to it. > > > >

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Svante Signell
On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 13:55 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 13:49:37 +0200, a écrit : > > Well, Hurd is welcome to Devuan if sufficiently many developers commit > > their time to it. > > Which is the recurring issue. Be it Debian or Devuan doesn't change > that.

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Zlatan Todoric
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 04/20/2015 01:49 PM, Svante Signell wrote: > On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 12:50 +0200, Justus Winter wrote: >> Quoting Joerg Jaspert (2015-04-20 00:22:08) > >> I for one am tired of this discussion popping up each Debian >> release, and I only had to

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Samuel Thibault
Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 13:49:37 +0200, a écrit : > On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 12:50 +0200, Justus Winter wrote: > > Quoting Joerg Jaspert (2015-04-20 00:22:08) > > > I for one am tired of this discussion popping up each Debian release, > > and I only had to endure it twice now. Let's ditch

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Svante Signell
On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 12:50 +0200, Justus Winter wrote: > Quoting Joerg Jaspert (2015-04-20 00:22:08) > I for one am tired of this discussion popping up each Debian release, > and I only had to endure it twice now. Let's ditch Debian in favor of > a less hostile downstream distribution. I guess

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Samuel Thibault
Justus Winter, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 12:50:44 +0200, a écrit : > Quoting Joerg Jaspert (2015-04-20 00:22:08) > > We'll be removing HURD, as discussed, from the ftp-master archive after > > the Jessie release. > > I never quite understood the benefit of removing the Hurd port from > ftp-master. Anyon

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Justus Winter
Quoting Joerg Jaspert (2015-04-20 00:22:08) > We'll be removing HURD, as discussed, from the ftp-master archive after > the Jessie release. I never quite understood the benefit of removing the Hurd port from ftp-master. Anyone? I for one am tired of this discussion popping up each Debian release

Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-19 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Hi, As the jessie release approaches, the ftp-team have been reviewing the status of the architectures in unstable. Neither sparc nor hurd-i386 are going to release with jessie and we are therefore looking at their future in unstable. SPARC = https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bu