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Re: Is Hurd good?

2002-07-24 Thread Fabian Sturm
Hello, from my limited understanding of kernels I would think its like this. The fastest operating system on earth would be one which never checks any parameters and would only have one user which can do anything (this saves doing privlege checks). (Hmm isnt this a description for windows95, exc

Re: Re: Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread James Morrison
--- Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 03:48:14PM -0700, James Morrison wrote: > > > > --- Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On the other hand, some of the examples like GNU, GNU/Linux > > > or Solaris are capable of doing some productive by themselves

Re: Re: Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 03:48:14PM -0700, James Morrison wrote: > > --- Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On the other hand, some of the examples like GNU, GNU/Linux > > or Solaris are capable of doing some productive by themselves > > (where a productive task can be anything the user c

Re: Re: Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread James Morrison
--- Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On the other hand, some of the examples like GNU, GNU/Linux > or Solaris are capable of doing some productive by themselves > (where a productive task can be anything the user considers > productive). Of course you can run a JVM, perl or Bash, > but t

Is Hurd good?

2002-07-24 Thread Catalin
Hello, I have a question for you: An low level application that runs under HURD should first "talk" with a server and the server will send the request to the microkernel and the mircokernel to the hardware. In linux the same application "talks" directly with the kernel and the kernel with the ha

Re: Re: Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 08:52:25PM +, THOMAS EDWARD HART wrote: > > > > Yes, but if everyone had a different concept of every > > word there'd be no way to understand each other. This > > is why languages are formalised. And there's a formal > > definition of the word "operating". If you think

Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread Timothy Rue
On 24-Jul-02 13:52:56 Alfred M. Szmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: AMS> Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> That's not what is meant; if it were so, it would indeed seem >> redundant. There is no GNU version of Linux or the Hurd. GNU/X >> refers to the operating system 'GNU' running on

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Re: Re: Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread THOMAS EDWARD HART
> If Debian, Mandrake and RedHat are operating systems, then Apache, > OpenOffice, Mozilla, etc are all typical OS components. I'm taking what they say from their web pages; for example: Debian is a free operating system (OS) for your computer. -- www.debian.org Mandrake LinuxTM is a friendly L

Re: Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 06:32:48PM +, THOMAS EDWARD HART wrote: > This naming issue seems to come up a lot. Isn't it due to > ambiguity in the use of the term "operating system"? > > For example, from the point of view of operating system > theory, I believe that one would say that Mach is an

Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you do not agree, that is fine by me. I will continue to > refer to a GNU/Linux system as a GNU system, because it merely > substitutes one small part of the GNU system with another. _a GNU system_, not _the_ GNU system. There is a difference. >

Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 08:52:56PM +0200, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > That's not what is meant; if it were so, it would indeed seem redundant. > > There is no GNU version of Linux or the Hurd. GNU/X refers to the > > operating system 'GNU' runni

Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread Simon Law
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 08:36:10PM +0200, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I like talking about GNU when I talk about GNU operating > > systems. This way, there is no need to differentiate. However, if you > > are referring specifically to the GNU system on

Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That's not what is meant; if it were so, it would indeed seem redundant. > There is no GNU version of Linux or the Hurd. GNU/X refers to the > operating system 'GNU' running on top of/combined with X, X being Linux > or the Hurd in most cases. Maybe

Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread Wolfgang Jährling
Jason Dagit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My long running theory about this is that people crave a shorter > colloquial(sp?) term for talking about both linux and hurd. If I were > talking about them in the official sense I would try to use GNU/Hurd, or > GNU/Linux, but in conversations it seems aw

Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 10:33:32AM -0700, Jason Dagit wrote: > > My long running theory about this is that people crave a shorter > > colloquial(sp?) term for talking about both linux and hurd. If I were > > talking about them in the official sense I would t

Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 10:33:32AM -0700, Jason Dagit wrote: > My long running theory about this is that people crave a shorter > colloquial(sp?) term for talking about both linux and hurd. If I were > talking about them in the official sense I would try to use GNU/Hurd, or > GNU/Linux, but

Re: Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread THOMAS EDWARD HART
This naming issue seems to come up a lot. Isn't it due to ambiguity in the use of the term "operating system"? For example, from the point of view of operating system theory, I believe that one would say that Mach is an operating system, and that the GNU Hurd is another operating system layered on

Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread Simon Law
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 10:33:32AM -0700, Jason Dagit wrote: > My long running theory about this is that people crave a shorter > colloquial(sp?) term for talking about both linux and hurd. If I were > talking about them in the official sense I would try to use GNU/Hurd, or > GNU/Linux, but in con

Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread Jason Dagit
My long running theory about this is that people crave a shorter colloquial(sp?) term for talking about both linux and hurd. If I were talking about them in the official sense I would try to use GNU/Hurd, or GNU/Linux, but in conversations it seems awkward. And how many non-GNU versions of linux

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Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread Choe, Hyun-ho
Thank you for your kind answer. It's very helpful. > PS: The official name is "Debian GNU/Hurd". As so many people speak > about "Debian/Hurd", I wonder where they did read that term, because a > web page using this term should be corrected. Sorry about the name. From now on, I use "Debian GNU/H

Re: Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread Wolfgang Jährling
Choe, Hyun-ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [20020523 shapshot] > I think this snapshot is converted to libio, is it correct ? Yes, it is. > There are three directories concerning Debian packages..."debian", > "debian-libio", and "debian-stdio". Use the "debian" directory. But I was told the lin

Which packages should I use?

2002-07-24 Thread Choe, Hyun-ho
Since my hurd system broken, I reinstalled hurd from 20020523 shapshot. I think this snapshot is converted to libio, is it correct ? And I checked ftp.funet.fi for installing recent debian packages. There are three directories concerning Debian packages..."debian", "debian-libio", and "debian-st

Re: Advice for me too....

2002-07-24 Thread Wolfgang Jährling
Catalin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I also know how to use a linux operating system Cool. I didn't even know such thing exists. > So, given my background, how can I help for the hurd? > Tell me something concrete, for example "go to this address and learn > this manuals", or "make this stuff u

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Re: Advice

2002-07-24 Thread Grant Bowman
* Jason Dagit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020723 16:45]: > Currently is there any documentation available specifically for people new > to the hurd? I feel like I should read some sort of intro to hurd > development. I have found a little bit of documentation on the subject, > but I would like more. Pe

Advice for me too....

2002-07-24 Thread Catalin
K. Bradford wrote: What is the proper way to become involved (in whatever small capacity I am able) in the Hurd development project ? Are there coding standards I must adhere to? Who is the main person I should contact in this regard? I have done a little programming in C, C++, Python, and Bourne