Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-07-12 Thread Arne Wichmann
begin quotation from Tille, Andreas (in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>): > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Michael Bramer wrote: > > > 2.) > > The 'put a donation, get a CD' is ok. But if a visitor show a strong > > interest in Debian, he should get a CD for free. > Definitely. This is what I used to do. After

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-17 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Michael Holzt wrote: > > And, by the way, when I was talking to a man at the HP booth I just > > interrupted the talk just to hand out such a penguin to a "nice looking > > girl" > > Oh, one can attract nice looking girls with squeeking penguins? I think > i should try that ou

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-17 Thread Michael Holzt
> And, by the way, when I was talking to a man at the HP booth I just > interrupted the talk just to hand out such a penguin to a "nice looking > girl" Oh, one can attract nice looking girls with squeeking penguins? I think i should try that out next time :) -- Greetings Michael -- To UNSUBSC

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-17 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:42, Tille, Andreas wrote: >c) Find out who probably will use the CD and make the number of > CDs as effectively used as possible. > > I do not think that b) works well. I'm not really sure that I will > find the time to have a view at the official LT CD even if I

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-17 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Sun, 16 Jun 2002, Martin Schulze wrote: > I guess, we should reconsider what we want? > > a) Gain as much fund and donations from giving away CDs > > OR > > b) Spreading Debian GNU/Linux as much as possible by giving away free > copies of the CD. Forgotten: c) Find out who probably w

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-17 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Sun, 16 Jun 2002, Alexander Neumann wrote: > Martin Schulze wrote: > > Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > "Tille, Andreas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Good idea. And we also need squealing penguins as HP to attract people > > > > ;- > > > Oh NOOO :) > > Exactly. No no! Very bad idea. I f

Re: LT review...

2002-06-17 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Martin Schulze wrote: > It was announced publically. The schedule was available from the > Debian pages and it was on the LinuxTag pages. Well, it didn't say > Debian day, but it was mentioned that the Debian day was on Friday > (iirc). When I wrote publically I ment: "Annou

Re: LT review...

2002-06-16 Thread Martin Schulze
Joerg Jaspert wrote: > >> Ask the Projects if they need tickets and how much and then pay for > >> this (two or three days before LT starts, so most people really know > >> they are going to the LT and order one then. Probably "order" via > >> Webinterface like the one for the Gym Hall/Barbecue for

Re: LT review...

2002-06-16 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Yes. They probably wont earn much of it. Just a little "Hey they are >> cool" from the People at the LT. And a logo on the LT somewhere (if >> possible). > That's not possible. We can't put their logo somewhere for sponsoring > something similar to EU

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-16 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 09:16:57AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > Michael Holzt wrote on Sun Jun 16, 2002 um 12:53:19AM: Hi all, > > I really like my 'Quietsche-Tux'. Btw, i'm very certain that HP > > used them first last year. I had to swap a debian CD for one. > > > > I think the opionions here

Re: LT review...

2002-06-16 Thread Martin Schulze
Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > Problem is: What does S-Bahn gain from sponsoring LinuxTag? > > It's not that there are tons of Karlsruhe people who are > > going to make more use of the tram in Karlsruhe after the > > event, so they get real money for their sponsoring. > > Yes. They probably wont earn m

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-16 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Schulze wrote: > Tille, Andreas wrote: > > > Joey: can you start LT2003 and put this (and the other points) on the > > > web page? > > Good idea. And we also need squealing penguins as HP to attract people > > ;- > > Did they use them *again*? I only saw them at LinuxTag 1999 an

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-16 Thread Martin Schulze
Michael Holzt wrote: > > > > Oh NOOO :) > > > Exactly. No no! Very bad idea. I fully support you here. > > Hey, they definitely reached their aim: people were attracted... > > I really like my 'Quietsche-Tux'. Btw, i'm very certain that HP > used them first last year. I had to swap a debian CD

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-16 Thread Martin Schulze
Michael Bramer wrote: > 2.) > The 'put a donation, get a CD' is ok. But if a visitor show a strong > interest in Debian, he should get a CD for free. > > But we must make some extra thoughts on this point. If we will not put > out CDs for free, we don't need thousands CDs and the Price p

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-16 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include Michael Holzt wrote on Sun Jun 16, 2002 um 12:53:19AM: > I really like my 'Quietsche-Tux'. Btw, i'm very certain that HP > used them first last year. I had to swap a debian CD for one. > > I think the opionions here are very different. The fact that some > people dislike this toy does n

Re: LT review...

2002-06-15 Thread Michael Bramer
On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 10:58:47PM +0200, Karsten Merker wrote: > On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 10:39:01PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > > [Karlsruhe] > > What did a one-way ticket cost anyway? > > 1,90 Euro for a one-way ticket inside Karlsruhe > 5,80 Euro for a four-way ticket inside Karlsruhe and

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Only if you have one. :) >> We should setup all machines in mainly the same way. > But they should look differently, so the visitor becomes aware fo the > fact that Debian does not try to synchronize the user to use only one > single interface (like so

Re: Out of Office AutoReply: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-15 Thread Alexander Neumann
Michael Holzt wrote: > Could someone please remove this person from the list? > Michael Hejlskov Jacobsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Making out-of-office autoreplies for mailing list postings is a > very very bad idea. Joey has done it. - Alexander -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] w

Re: Out of Office AutoReply: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-15 Thread Michael Holzt
Could someone please remove this person from the list? Michael Hejlskov Jacobsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Making out-of-office autoreplies for mailing list postings is a very very bad idea. -- Gretings Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble?

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-15 Thread Michael Holzt
> > > Oh NOOO :) > > Exactly. No no! Very bad idea. I fully support you here. > Hey, they definitely reached their aim: people were attracted... I really like my 'Quietsche-Tux'. Btw, i'm very certain that HP used them first last year. I had to swap a debian CD for one. I think the opionions h

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-15 Thread Alexander Neumann
Martin Schulze wrote: > Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > "Tille, Andreas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Good idea. And we also need squealing penguins as HP to attract people > > > ;- > > Oh NOOO :) > Exactly. No no! Very bad idea. I fully support you here. Hey, they definitely reached their ai

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-15 Thread Alexander Neumann
Martin Schulze wrote: > Tille, Andreas wrote: > > Good idea. And we also need squealing penguins as HP to attract people > > ;- > Did they use them *again*? I only saw them at LinuxTag 1999 and hated > them from the moment I was made aware of them... I like my penguin *SQUEAK* ;) It is very

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-15 Thread Martin Schulze
Joerg Jaspert wrote: > "Tille, Andreas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> We should put some computers at the booth and every computer have one > >> debian person. Also every demo-point show one topic, like > >> Installation, SE-Linux, package-building, apt-get, ... > > Couldn't this be don

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-15 Thread Martin Schulze
Tille, Andreas wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > What about "Free Bounty" for a CD, i.e. not a forced donation. > The donation was not forced - at least I never observed that some > visitor was forced from a DD. > It was just a hurdle to grab anything you can catch and put

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-15 Thread Martin Schulze
Tille, Andreas wrote: > > Joey: can you start LT2003 and put this (and the other points) on the > > web page? > Good idea. And we also need squealing penguins as HP to attract people ;- Did they use them *again*? I only saw them at LinuxTag 1999 and hated them from the moment I was made

Re: LT review...

2002-06-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Every time I thought the booth was too empty or the talking developers >> are overloaded I moved from the back of the booth to the front. I liked >> the place on the back very much because there you can relax without >> being asked every minute if you

Re: LT review...

2002-06-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Buha, hast Du nen Schreibflash? Soviel Mails auf einmal. :) >> etc, so we dont have time for other things. But we all had it running > So start earlier on Wednesday. :-) A problem if you drive with another one and he is to late :) >> at Wednesday, just

Re: LT review...

2002-06-15 Thread Martin Schulze
Alexander Neumann wrote: > >- we don't follow the time table. Or better some debian develeopers > > don't follow it. The first day, we have only some (2-3) debian > > people on the booth and we have only some visitors. The booth was > > empty and I don't like this.. > > Afte

Re: LT review...

2002-06-15 Thread Martin Schulze
Joerg Jaspert wrote: > "Tille, Andreas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Then it must gbe on the Business day. :) > > Right. Why not. > > The reason for Friday this year was mainly: > At Thursday it is start day, not all finished yet, setup still running, No, that's not the problem. The main

Re: LT review...

2002-06-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Alternative: 16 Monitors connectod to one PC (seen at XFree86 Booth) :) > Nah! Leave that bonus to the XFree86 crew. Was a joke. :) > [DVD] >> Nice Project. We have to start with it in Dezember, at latest. > Agreed. Start early, fix things early, f

Re: LT review...

2002-06-15 Thread Martin Schulze
Tille, Andreas wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Michael Bramer wrote: > > > - DebianDay > >I can't say something about this day. I was not in karlsruhe.. > As Russel said: > > - make it publicly announced It was announced publically. The schedule was available from the Debian pages and it

Re: LT review...

2002-06-15 Thread Martin Schulze
Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Alternative: 16 Monitors connectod to one PC (seen at XFree86 Booth) :) Nah! Leave that bonus to the XFree86 crew. [DVD] > Nice Project. We have to start with it in Dezember, at latest. Agreed. Start early, fix things early, fix bugs in the distribution, and create the b

Re: LT review...

2002-06-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Another suggestion, from one of the FSF Guys, talked with him yesterday: >> Joey: Ask the Town/Company/Whatever from the "S-Bahn" if you can get >> them "sponsoring" the Linuxtag with free Tickets for the >> Booth-People. If not free then very very che

Re: LT review...

2002-06-15 Thread Martin Schulze
Russell Coker wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:00, Michael Bramer wrote: > > - DebianDay > >I can't say something about this day. I was not in karlsruhe.. > > I think that it should have been more integrated with the main LinuxTag and > had it's program published. Also it should have been on

Re: LT review...

2002-06-15 Thread Martin Schulze
Michael Bramer wrote: > Yes, you can show something like this as joke one time, but we can't use > this all the time. Exactly. What you can do, I guess, is go to some web pages and display their content while a crowd is behind you watching your actions. So, for example check Maijer - Toy City[1]

Re: LT review...

2002-06-15 Thread Martin Schulze
Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Another suggestion, from one of the FSF Guys, talked with him yesterday: > Joey: Ask the Town/Company/Whatever from the "S-Bahn" if you can get > them "sponsoring" the Linuxtag with free Tickets for the > Booth-People. If not free then very very cheap tickets. I guess we dro

Re: LT review...

2002-06-15 Thread Martin Schulze
Michael Banck wrote: > On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 11:56:41AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > >- the beamer was a big pro > > > > Yes. VERY good eyecatcher if connected PC is unused (bb works! :) ), > > very good Demonstration Point. > > Mplayer featuring Blues Brothers 2000 was even more success

Re: LT review...

2002-06-13 Thread Joerg Jaspert
"Tille, Andreas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Then it must gbe on the Business day. :) > Right. Why not. The reason for Friday this year was mainly: At Thursday it is start day, not all finished yet, setup still running, etc, so we dont have time for other things. But we all had it running at

Re: LT review...

2002-06-13 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Then it must gbe on the Business day. :) Right. Why not. > Alternative: 16 Monitors connectod to one PC (seen at XFree86 Booth) :) By the way: It was a shame that we had two TFTs unused at our booth ... > sum/day for T-Shirts (all from brain, so not 1

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-12 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Only if you have one. :) >> We should setup all machines in mainly the same way. >> If they are just used for the Linuxtag (and get a new setup after it) >> then with root pass of debian and a user linuxtag with pass linuxtag >> and sudo rights for linu

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-12 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:05, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > "Tille, Andreas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> We should put some computers at the booth and every computer have one > >> debian person. Also every demo-point show one topic, like > >> Installation, SE-Linux, package-building, apt-get, ...

Re: LT review...

2002-06-12 Thread Alexander Neumann
Michael Bramer wrote: > maybe we should collect some pro and cons about the last LT in > Karlsruhe... OK, here are my comments: >- we don't follow the time table. Or better some debian develeopers > don't follow it. The first day, we have only some (2-3) debian > people on the booth

Re: LT review...

2002-06-12 Thread Alexander Neumann
Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > maybe interesting is the wrong word. > > the entrance fee was too high or my expectations :) > But the museum was fun. :) > Yes, food was very bad for this price. Fullack. The only thing was that the museum closed the exposition when I was only half through... Anyway in

Re: LT review...

2002-06-12 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Andreas Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > Well, once we know the interesting museum we could choose a place >> > regarding to the food ... >> There must be another interesting place in Karlsruhe to go :) > McD ? Hehe. > maybe interesting is the wrong word. > the entrance fee was too high

Re: LT review...

2002-06-12 Thread Andreas Mueller
On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 05:02:24PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: [...] > >> - LinuxNacht (SocialEvent) > >>- Ok the show was ok, but the food and drink was last year better. > >> to joey: please choose next year a other place ... > > Well, once we know the interesting museum we could choo

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-12 Thread Joerg Jaspert
"Tille, Andreas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> We should put some computers at the booth and every computer have one >> debian person. Also every demo-point show one topic, like >> Installation, SE-Linux, package-building, apt-get, ... > Couldn't this be done with your own laptop on request

Re: LT review...

2002-06-12 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Yes, you can show something like this as joke one time, but we can't use >> this all the time. > Wait, wait, the disc was borowed from the XFree86 booth, and they did > play it all the time Sunday morning, so I guess there was a permission > to play it.

Re: LT review...

2002-06-12 Thread Joerg Jaspert
"Tille, Andreas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > - make it not at the same time as other technical talks Then it must gbe on the Business day. :) > - have a beamer ready in every room (well I know it was because > Joey was ill - but it has to work even if Joey would be on > the

Re: LT review...

2002-06-12 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include Michael Bramer wrote on Tue Jun 11, 2002 um 11:26:34PM: > > Mplayer featuring Blues Brothers 2000 was even more successful I guess, > > thanks to Zomb :) > > and this has a copyright problem. > > Yes, you can show something like this as joke one time, but we can't use > this all the ti

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-12 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Martin Schulze wrote: > What about "Free Bounty" for a CD, i.e. not a forced donation. The donation was not forced - at least I never observed that some visitor was forced from a DD. It was just a hurdle to grab anything you can catch and put it into the waste at home. Giving

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-12 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Michael Bramer wrote: > 1.) > We should put some computers at the booth and every computer have one > debian person. Also every demo-point show one topic, like > Installation, SE-Linux, package-building, apt-get, ... Couldn't this be done with your own laptop on request.

Re: LT review...

2002-06-12 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Michael Bramer wrote: > - DebianDay >I can't say something about this day. I was not in karlsruhe.. As Russel said: - make it publicly announced - ship time table with title and abstract on the program (we do not have to wonder at all that less people visit

Re: LT review...

2002-06-12 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Michael Bramer wrote: > > Mplayer featuring Blues Brothers 2000 was even more successful I > guess, > > thanks to Zomb :) > > and this has a copyright problem. > > Yes, you can show something like this as joke one time, but we can't use > this all the time. The same for some L

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-12 Thread Mark Jaroski
Michael Holzt wrote: > I don't think that we forced the donation. The text said about asking > for a donation, not demanding it. I handed out several CDs without > a donation. I had to practically insist to get someone to take my money. -- --

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-12 Thread Michael Holzt
> What about "Free Bounty" for a CD, i.e. not a forced donation. I don't think that we forced the donation. The text said about asking for a donation, not demanding it. I handed out several CDs without a donation. -- Greetings Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subje

Re: some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-12 Thread Martin Schulze
Michael Bramer wrote: > Hello > > I mail some mail with a visitor and I get some extra points: > > > 1.) > We should put some computers at the booth and every computer have one > debian person. Also every demo-point show one topic, like > Installation, SE-Linux, package-building, apt-get,

some extra LT review points ...

2002-06-12 Thread Michael Bramer
Hello I mail some mail with a visitor and I get some extra points: 1.) We should put some computers at the booth and every computer have one debian person. Also every demo-point show one topic, like Installation, SE-Linux, package-building, apt-get, ... 2.) The 'put a donation, get a

Re: LT review...

2002-06-11 Thread Michael Bramer
On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 09:16:08PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: > On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 11:56:41AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > >- the beamer was a big pro > > > > Yes. VERY good eyecatcher if connected PC is unused (bb works! :) ), > > very good Demonstration Point. > > Mplayer featuring

Re: LT review...

2002-06-11 Thread Michael Banck
On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 11:56:41AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > >- the beamer was a big pro > > Yes. VERY good eyecatcher if connected PC is unused (bb works! :) ), > very good Demonstration Point. Mplayer featuring Blues Brothers 2000 was even more successful I guess, thanks to Zomb :) Mic

Re: LT review...

2002-06-11 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:00, Michael Bramer wrote: > - DebianDay >I can't say something about this day. I was not in karlsruhe.. I think that it should have been more integrated with the main LinuxTag and had it's program published. Also it should have been on the day before (the same time a

Re: LT review...

2002-06-11 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Michael Bramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > - Debian Booth >- the beamer was a big pro Yes. VERY good eyecatcher if connected PC is unused (bb works! :) ), very good Demonstration Point. >- we don't follow the time table. Or better some debian develeopers > don't follow it. The fi

LT review...

2002-06-11 Thread Michael Bramer
Hello maybe we should collect some pro and cons about the last LT in Karlsruhe... - DebianDay I can't say something about this day. I was not in karlsruhe.. - Debian Booth - the beamer was a big pro - we don't follow the time table. Or better some debian develeopers don't follow i