On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 01:57:33AM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 10:00:34PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote:
> > Looks good to me. Noel, do you have the German texts?
>
> I'm working on it currently.
Well, I merged the german stuff into flyer.tex. I just copied the LaTeX
code
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 10:00:34PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote:
> Looks good to me. Noel, do you have the German texts?
I'm working on it currently.
Michael
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On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 08:21:05PM +0200, Noel Koethe wrote:
> > OK, we did a first draft of the english page. It's available at
> > people.debian.org/~jensen/flyer/.
WHOW!
> Michael Meskes (he reads this list) should tell if Credativ
> will sponsor this flyer when its ready.
Looks good to me. N
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 02:24:11PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Re 1: Michael Meskes and me were chatting about this for a while, Michael
> will try to use all remaining flyers at least, so regardless of new flyers,
> they may not need to be thrown away.
But if we ge new ones that of course will
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 02:54:43PM +0200, Michael Holzt wrote:
> 1.) Find a sponsor for the print. Find out how much money we
> can use.
That'll probably be credativ.
> 2.) Find a print shop which can do the job in the next
> week. I can phone around on monday. Pr
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 01:52:24PM +0200, Noel Koethe wrote:
> There are 4 possible ways:
> 1. we use the outdated flyer from LT 2000
> 2. we don't use any flyer
> 3. we try to make the flyer from Davide ready
> 4. someone will make a flyer with pure free software
>
> I prefer 4, 3, 2, 1
> Joey pr
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 08:21:05PM +0200, Noel Koethe wrote:
> On Sam, 25 Mai 2002, Michael Banck wrote:
> > > Jens Schmalzing and me started working on doing the stuff in LaTeX, btw.
> > > Still no guarantee if we make it in time (if we get the somebody to
> > > print it anyway)
> >
> > OK, we di
On Sam, 25 Mai 2002, Michael Banck wrote:
> > Jens Schmalzing and me started working on doing the stuff in LaTeX, btw.
> > Still no guarantee if we make it in time (if we get the somebody to
> > print it anyway)
>
> OK, we did a first draft of the english page. It's available at
> people.debian.o
Michael Banck wrote:
> On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 05:24:38PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> > Jens Schmalzing and me started working on doing the stuff in LaTeX, btw.
> > Still no guarantee if we make it in time (if we get the somebody to
> > print it anyway)
>
> OK, we did a first draft of the englis
Hi,
Martin f Krafft writes:
> the .tex file is 403 denied.
Sorry. Corrected.
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On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 01:24:38PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Oh, and for colour separation, dodge that. Create an RGB Postscript
> file, hand it over to a design studio and receive four slides, one for
> each of CMYK. Been there, done that, don't tell me you can't! You
Which of course will
also sprach Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.05.25.1922 +0200]:
> OK, we did a first draft of the english page. It's available at
> people.debian.org/~jensen/flyer/.
the .tex file is 403 denied. i'd submit a patch to correct some of the
english...
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On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 05:24:38PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> Jens Schmalzing and me started working on doing the stuff in LaTeX, btw.
> Still no guarantee if we make it in time (if we get the somebody to
> print it anyway)
OK, we did a first draft of the english page. It's available at
people.
Before someone trips over it: I just noted a little problem with
scribus. It look like your (or I) can't start scribus twice in the
same X session. The workaround seems to be to either log out and in
again or use "ssh -X localhost scribus".
Bug report already filed.
Jö.
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Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> * Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-05-25 16:31]:
> > Looks like you want to add that and
> > NUMDEVELPERS=1022
> > to the proper Makefile then. :-)
>
> How did you get this number?
Rough guess. In fact, I used the future number, which was provided
in the oth
Michael Banck wrote:
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 03:21:39PM +0200, Martin Samesch wrote:
> > Do you think it's possible for a LaTeX-Newbie to rebuild the flyer
> > within the given time (no redesign)? Where are the sources?
>
> There are on sources AFAIK. You can get the (updated) .pdf
> at http:
> Jens Schmalzing and me started working on doing the stuff in LaTeX,
> btw. Still no guarantee if we make it in time (if we get the somebody
> to print it anyway)
Ok. In an parallel effort i will try it with scribus. I just installed
509 type1 fonts :-) hopefully there is one beautiful enough in
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 03:44:25PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> Anyway, I started extracting the text from the .pdf. I'll post it here
> as soon as it's done. Perhaps I'll have time to look into doing this
> with LaTeX, but I can't really tell ATM
The texts are attached. (the .tex suffix is pure
Am Donnerstag, 23. Mai 2002 21:55 schrieb Andreas Mueller:
> Zum Thema Mitfahrgelegenheiten,
Wäre es nicht sinnvoller, dass sich alle bei
http://www.hitchhikers.de
eintragen.
> anschliessend werte ich die sequentiell daten aus.
diese Mörderarbeit kannst du dir dann sparen.
> Cheers
> amu
Arndt
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 04:50:45PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> * Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-05-25 16:31]:
> > Looks like you want to add that and
> > NUMDEVELPERS=1022
> > to the proper Makefile then. :-)
>
> How did you get this number?
Hey, I was hungry and shops were abo
> Look what i just created in arround 15 Minutes:
> http://www.kju.de/Document-1.pdf
Oh, i probably should add, that this demonstration is not really
exciting, but it shows that with scribus the flyer could be created
in a few hours maximum.
I just used some dummy text, but replace it with
Ok, i've tested scribus and i think this could be the tool to create
the flyer. Look what i just created in arround 15 Minutes:
http://www.kju.de/Document-1.pdf
Please note that the background graphics was color changed in a quick
test - therefore the red leftovers, and i haven't installe
Michael Holzt wrote:
> > Joey isn't at any point talking about damaging such advertisements,
> > merely saying that he isn't going to help.
>
> Sorry, i have overseen the crosscopy to the debian-project Mailinglist.
>
> As already said, there was a prior discussion on debian-events-eu
> which l
* Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-05-25 16:31]:
> Looks like you want to add that and
> NUMDEVELPERS=1022
> to the proper Makefile then. :-)
How did you get this number?
3217:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: ~] ud-ldapshow devcount
Connecting to LDAP directory
There are 969 developers as of Sat,
Hi,
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 02:29:12PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Correct, the red will look a little bit different than on the screen,
> same for green and blue. So what? There are different red's on the
> screen for the swirl anyway.
i talked with one from kde doing the kde graphics for t
Michael Banck wrote:
> In the long run, this will surely help.
>
> Next time we need Flyers, we only have to
> sed s/@DEVOPERS@/1023/g, as an example.
Looks like you want to add that and
NUMDEVELPERS=1022
to the proper Makefile then. :-)
Regards,
Joey
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Rune B. Broberg wrote:
> On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 03:34:42PM +0200, Michael Holzt wrote:
> > > If you should be going to create new flyers and get them printed,
> > > don't expect any support from for them from myself.
> >
> > Fine. But please stop here for a while and ask yourself:
> >
> > 'Am
> Anyway, I started extracting the text from the .pdf. I'll post it
> here as soon as it's done. Perhaps I'll have time to look into doing
> this with LaTeX, but I can't really tell ATM
Very well. I will take a look at scribus in the meanwhile, maybe its
the right tool for the job. The descripti
> Joey isn't at any point talking about damaging such advertisements,
> merely saying that he isn't going to help.
Sorry, i have overseen the crosscopy to the debian-project Mailinglist.
As already said, there was a prior discussion on debian-events-eu
which led to this statement. You might wan
Noel Koethe wrote:
> On Sam, 25 Mai 2002, Martin Schulze wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> > Personally, I will not accept another set of flyers for the Debian
> > project, which were created with non-free, binary-only software, when
> > the same can be achieved with Free Software.
>
> So you will deny the
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 03:34:42PM +0200, Michael Holzt wrote:
> > If you should be going to create new flyers and get them printed,
> > don't expect any support from for them from myself.
>
> Fine. But please stop here for a while and ask yourself:
>
> 'Am I helping the debian project with th
On Sam, 25 Mai 2002, Noel Koethe wrote:
> So you will deny the usage of the discussed flyer for
> the Debian Linuxtag 2002 booth as main coordinator
> (debian.org/events/2002/0606-linuxtag)
^
?
Sorry the question mark
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 03:34:42PM +0200, Michael Holzt wrote:
> > If you should be going to create new flyers and get them printed,
> > don't expect any support from for them from myself.
>
> Fine. But please stop here for a while and ask yourself:
>
> 'Am I helping the debian project with th
On Sam, 25 Mai 2002, Martin Schulze wrote:
Hello,
> Personally, I will not accept another set of flyers for the Debian
> project, which were created with non-free, binary-only software, when
> the same can be achieved with Free Software.
So you will deny the usage of the discussed flyer for
the
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 03:39:18PM +0200, Michael Holzt wrote:
> > There are on sources AFAIK. You can get the (updated) .pdf at
> > http://www.koethe.net/debian-flyer2002.pdf though
>
> > I can't comment on whether it's possible to do it (in this
> > timeframe)
>
> I'm no LaTeX expert, but i b
> There are on sources AFAIK. You can get the (updated) .pdf at
> http://www.koethe.net/debian-flyer2002.pdf though
> I can't comment on whether it's possible to do it (in this
> timeframe)
I'm no LaTeX expert, but i believe it would be quite some work
to get a similar result in LaTeX. Our best
> If you should be going to create new flyers and get them printed,
> don't expect any support from for them from myself.
Fine. But please stop here for a while and ask yourself:
'Am I helping the debian project with this? Or is my fith
for my own personal believes doing damage to the proje
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 03:21:39PM +0200, Martin Samesch wrote:
> Do you think it's possible for a LaTeX-Newbie to rebuild the flyer
> within the given time (no redesign)? Where are the sources?
There are on sources AFAIK. You can get the (updated) .pdf
at http://www.koethe.net/debian-flyer2002.pd
Michael Holzt wrote:
>
> Let me start a new thread. All the discussion is needful too, but we really
> should start work on the flyer. Let me see whats need to be done:
>
> []
> 3.) Finish a design on time. The old design with corrections
> really sound like the best way to me
Let me start a new thread. All the discussion is needful too, but we really
should start work on the flyer. Let me see whats need to be done:
1.) Find a sponsor for the print. Find out how much money we
can use.
2.) Find a print shop which can do the job in the next
Martin Schulze wrote:
>
> Michael Holzt wrote:
> > If you really want to reuse those old flyers: Make a extra inlay holding
>
> Inlay? Did you actually take a look at them? They're A4 large,
> bilingual and not folded. Having an inlay would require somebody
> with a sharp knife to "open" the p
Hi,
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 02:46:39PM +0200, Martin Samesch wrote:
> shouldn't there be a flyer available in german?
The current flyer is in english on the one side and in german on the
other.
Michael
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Hi,
shouldn't there be a flyer available in german?
Cheers,
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On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 02:29:12PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Michael Banck wrote:
> > Well, if the Debian swirl has a slightly different red than on the
> > webpage, I guess we could live with that *for this specific application*
> >
> > The flyer has to be informative and interesting, not ub
> > 3. we try to make the flyer from Davide ready
> > 4. someone will make a flyer with pure free software
> I believe that, for this LinuxTag exhibition, 3 and 4 are not possible
> due to no time for discussing design, phrasing, impact and corrections.
I beg to differ. Although nine days sound
Negative statement of intent
Personally, I will not accept another set of flyers for the Debian
project, which were created with non-free, binary-only software, when
the same can be achieved with Free Software.
If you should be going to create new flyers and get them printed,
don't expect any sup
Michael Banck wrote:
> Well, if the Debian swirl has a slightly different red than on the
> webpage, I guess we could live with that *for this specific application*
>
> The flyer has to be informative and interesting, not uber-professional
> and totally perfect in color.
Correct, the red will loo
Michael Banck wrote:
> On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 01:57:57PM +0200, Noel Koethe wrote:
> > We/I have to ask Davide.
> > I wrote this in one of my first letters to him and
> > will ask him again for the source format if we use the
> > flyer and when we've got a final version.
>
> BTW: The new version
> Discussing this 9 days before LinuxTag is moot.
Yes, but whose fault is that? Is it anybodys fault? Why don't we
just try to find a solution?
I remember 1999 when i designed and printed the flyer in less than
7 days. Yes, with non-free software, but it worked and it helped
for the show.
We wa
> Well, if the Debian swirl has a slightly different red than on the
> webpage, I guess we could live with that *for this specific application*
Yes, granted. I'm absolutely happy if someone with enough free time on
his hands manages to produce a flyer with free software in time. I
didn't wanted to
Noel Koethe wrote:
> Its not David Welton who works on the flyer.
> Its Davide Dettori - davide.dettori (at) nekhem dot com.
Sorry, my fault.
> Sure he can work on the flyer if he wants but the question
> is if the flyer will be spread at the booth if it will be ready
> for LT?
Others need to sp
Michael Meskes wrote:
> On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 10:32:40AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > > "...und einers der besten Desktop-Umgebungen, Gnome"
> >
> > Well, that still holds at least. :-)
>
> But it's incomplete since we now have KDE as well, while the old text
> suggests we only have GNOME.
Michael Holzt wrote:
> > Inlay? Did you actually take a look at them? They're A4 large,
> > bilingual and not folded.
>
> Ok, i'm sorry, i just didn't remembered the old flyers. So i think we
> just have no choice. Ask the sponsor what they think and then toss them.
I guess you waere thinking
David N. Welton wrote:
> Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Noel Koethe wrote:
>
> > > > A good solution that takes longer is probably better and should
> > > > be preferred over a quick solution with non-free tools, imho.
>
> > > So I can tell Davide he can stop working on this ve
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 01:57:57PM +0200, Noel Koethe wrote:
> We/I have to ask Davide.
> I wrote this in one of my first letters to him and
> will ask him again for the source format if we use the
> flyer and when we've got a final version.
BTW: The new version still talks about '6CD's, 3 of them
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 01:58:08PM +0200, Michael Holzt wrote:
> > You can very well create high quality, graphically enhanced printings
> > with The GIMP and LaTeX. All you need to do is a) learn GIMP and b)
> > learn LaTeX and graphic capabilities.
>
> Yeah, if you like "somewhat-near-the-col
> You can very well create high quality, graphically enhanced printings
> with The GIMP and LaTeX. All you need to do is a) learn GIMP and b)
> learn LaTeX and graphic capabilities.
Please Joey! This is not to offend you, but you have obviously no clue
what you are talking about. Let me repeat
On Sam, 25 Mai 2002, Michael Meskes wrote:
> > independend flyers so we don't run into this desaster again.
>
> That would be a good idea, though. Noel, is this possible?
We/I have to ask Davide.
I wrote this in one of my first letters to him and
will ask him again for the source format if we us
On Sam, 25 Mai 2002, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > So I can tell Davide he can stop working on this version
> > and you will make a latex flyer?
>
> If David Welton wants to play with non-free crap, that's his decision,
> I have nothing to do with that. I cannot stop him.
Its not David Welton who w
> Inlay? Did you actually take a look at them? They're A4 large,
> bilingual and not folded.
Ok, i'm sorry, i just didn't remembered the old flyers. So i think we
just have no choice. Ask the sponsor what they think and then toss them.
I thinks thats really better for the project. Its not the
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Noel Koethe wrote:
> > > A good solution that takes longer is probably better and should
> > > be preferred over a quick solution with non-free tools, imho.
> > So I can tell Davide he can stop working on this version and you
> > will make a latex fly
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 11:59:19AM +0200, Noel Koethe wrote:
> So I can tell Davide he can stop working on this version
> and you will make a latex flyer?
Unless the LaTeX solution will be ready on Monday, It's say we need
Daside's Flyer. :-)
> I ask a local printing company and they will need 5-
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 10:32:40AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > "...und einers der besten Desktop-Umgebungen, Gnome"
>
> Well, that still holds at least. :-)
But it's incomplete since we now have KDE as well, while the old text
suggests we only have GNOME. Which of course was true back then.
Noel Koethe wrote:
> > A good solution that takes longer is probably better and should
> > be preferred over a quick solution with non-free tools, imho.
>
> So I can tell Davide he can stop working on this version
> and you will make a latex flyer?
If David Welton wants to play with non-free crap
Michael Holzt wrote:
> If you really want to reuse those old flyers: Make a extra inlay holding
Inlay? Did you actually take a look at them? They're A4 large,
bilingual and not folded. Having an inlay would require somebody
with a sharp knife to "open" the paper on which it is printed.
Regards
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 08:32:37AM +0200, Noel Koethe wrote:
> The problem is, do we get it printed for LT in 1.5 weeks?
Anyone out there with good connections to a print shop? If so, just ask
if this is possible at all.
Michael
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Here my 2 cents to the flyer discussion:
Although i'm willing to support the usage of linux / free software
whereever possible i would say that it is sometimes better to accept
the work by someone else no matter which software he used when the
alternative is to have nothing.
And i'm readily ad
Am Sam, 25. Mai 2002, 11:19:42 +0200 schrieb Martin Schulze:
> Get a hold of "The LaTeX Graphics Companion" and make a layout,
> then get it transferred to LaTeX.
Or maybe you can try scribus.
Description: a free software desktop publishing program
Scribus is a free software layout program for G
On Sam, 25 Mai 2002, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > > Oh no! Not again made of a non-free software. I would like to veto
> > > and strongly discourage this effort. I'd rather urge you to work
> > > towards a flyer created with Free Software, i.e. with LaTeX, for
> >
> > Sure, just do it.
>
> I pro
David N. Welton wrote:
> Noel Koethe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I started 2 weeks ago to find the 2000 flyer in an editable format
> > but nobody has it anymore (it was made with Framemaker). [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > pointed me to Davide who made the flyer. He offered to make a new
> > flyer i
Noel Koethe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I started 2 weeks ago to find the 2000 flyer in an editable format
> but nobody has it anymore (it was made with Framemaker). [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> pointed me to Davide who made the flyer. He offered to make a new
> flyer if he find some time.
It would be g
Noel Koethe wrote:
> On Sam, 25 Mai 2002, Martin Schulze wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> > > http://www.koethe.net/debian-flyer2002.pdf, the latest version
> >
> > Oh no! Not again made of a non-free software. I would like to veto
> > and strongly discourage this effort. I'd rather urge you to work
> >
On Sam, 25 Mai 2002, Martin Schulze wrote:
Hello,
> > http://www.koethe.net/debian-flyer2002.pdf, the latest version
>
> Oh no! Not again made of a non-free software. I would like to veto
> and strongly discourage this effort. I'd rather urge you to work
> towards a flyer created with Free So
Noel Koethe wrote:
> On Fre, 24 Mai 2002, Martin Schulze wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> > Until now I thought that the flyers fog's company (mixad life)
> > produced for us back in 2000 were release-independend and could be
> > used until there are no flyers left over.
> >
> > However, the truth is that
Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > However, the truth is that they mention "more than 4000 packages",
> > "over 500 people", "following architectures [listing six of them]",
> > "fits barely on 6 CDs (3 of architecture dependent [..] plus 3 of
> > source code)"
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 10:17:52AM +0200, Othmar Pasteka wrote:
> hi,
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 12:14:06AM +0200, Othmar Pasteka wrote:
> > i could get a simplified image by tomorrow noon if that still
> > counts. or afternoon, something like that.
>
> here it is:
> http://rebelbase.sysfrog.org
hi,
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 12:14:06AM +0200, Othmar Pasteka wrote:
> i could get a simplified image by tomorrow noon if that still
> counts. or afternoon, something like that.
here it is:
http://rebelbase.sysfrog.org/tshirt/debianshirt3.png
joey should put that up on his webpage ... so the hat
On Fre, 24 Mai 2002, Martin Schulze wrote:
Hello,
> Until now I thought that the flyers fog's company (mixad life)
> produced for us back in 2000 were release-independend and could be
> used until there are no flyers left over.
>
> However, the truth is that they mention "more than 4000 packages
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