Weekly report week 44, and next step

2004-11-01 Thread Knut Yrvin
* Meetings - 30 oct. Sat 10:00 AM Autumn conference in Halden about open innovation. The national student body. - 28 oct. Wen. 15-18 PM The Norwegian Parliament about EUCD. Summary in Norwegian: Aandsverkloven og dens beskyttelse av opphavsretten setter paa vegne av samfunnet ramme

Re: New Skolelinux CD image release 1.0r1

2004-11-01 Thread Ralf Gesel|ensetter
Am Montag, 1. November 2004 23:14 schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: > Did you remember to count the dependencies only once? As I understood you, the packages depend on each other - but do not contain each other (otherwise, call it: imply).

Re: New Skolelinux CD image release 1.0r1

2004-11-01 Thread Ralf Gesel|ensetter
Am Montag, 1. November 2004 23:09 schrieb Ralf Gesel|ensetter: > Another Question: I summed up these numbers and ended up more or less > with 650 MB Oops, sorry, it is rather 6 GB - hence compression ratio seems to be close to 10. I derived these disk usages for different profiles: 1G tjener 2

Re: New Skolelinux CD image release 1.0r1

2004-11-01 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Ralf Gesel|ensetter] > Am Montag, 1. November 2004 17:41 schrieb Ralf Gesel|ensetter: > > a>     244016 education-common > > b>     302172 education-networked > > c>     411471 education-main-server > > d>    1384056 education-workstation > > e>    1520890 education-thin-client-server > > f>     8

Re: New Skolelinux CD image release 1.0r1

2004-11-01 Thread Ralf Gesel|ensetter
Am Montag, 1. November 2004 17:41 schrieb Ralf Gesel|ensetter: > a>     244016 education-common > b>     302172 education-networked > c>     411471 education-main-server > d>    1384056 education-workstation > e>    1520890 education-thin-client-server > f>     891115 education-standalone > g>    1

Reported install prob with Rev 1

2004-11-01 Thread Ralf Gesel|ensetter
Hi there, on our German list, somebody reports this problem: > hab' gerade versucht die neue iso(1.01) zu installieren - leider ohne > erfolg: nach der grundinstallation ist es nicht mehr möglich just tried installing the new iso image rev 1, no success alas: after base installation, skolelin

Re: Workstation Maintainance?

2004-11-01 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01-11-2004 15:26, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > I'm sure there are other options except editing /etc/ by hand. Sure: Let others do it for you. If you want /etc/ read-only on a CD, then let Klaus Knopper do the dirty hand-editing for you and server

Re: New Skolelinux CD image release 1.0r1

2004-11-01 Thread Kurt
* Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [041101 18:32]: > [Ralf Gesel|ensetter] > > so laptop (standallone with pcmcia detected) depends on > > standallone-extra then? > > No. laptop is independend, and is installed with main-server, > workstation and thin-client-server too, if PCMCIA is dete

Re: New Skolelinux CD image release 1.0r1

2004-11-01 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Ralf Gesel|ensetter] > so laptop (standallone with pcmcia detected) depends on > standallone-extra then? No. laptop is independend, and is installed with main-server, workstation and thin-client-server too, if PCMCIA is detected. > Let me try to make a picture of it: > > > <--LT

Re: New Skolelinux CD image release 1.0r1

2004-11-01 Thread Ralf Gesel|ensetter
Am Montag, 1. November 2004 18:03 schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: > Wrong.  standalone do not include standalone-extra nor laptop. so laptop (standallone with pcmcia detected) depends on standallone-extra then? Let me try to make a picture of it: <--LTSP--> <-- laptop-->

Re: Workstation Maintainance?

2004-11-01 Thread Finn-Arne Johansen
On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 01:05:54PM +0100, Ralf Gesel|ensetter wrote: > Hi there, > this is about possible improvements for maintaining skolelinux work > stations. Just another set of ideas - please comment if it makes sense > and is feasible: > > At the moment I hesitate installing an entire lab

Re: New Skolelinux CD image release 1.0r1

2004-11-01 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 05:41:15PM +0100, Ralf Gesel|ensetter wrote: > Hi there, still an open question left: > > Am Sonntag, 31. Oktober 2004 19:40 schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: > a>     244016 education-common > b>     302172 education-networked > c>     411471 education-main-server > d>    13840

Re: New Skolelinux CD image release 1.0r1

2004-11-01 Thread Ralf Gesel|ensetter
Hi there, still an open question left: Am Sonntag, 31. Oktober 2004 19:40 schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: a>     244016 education-common b>     302172 education-networked c>     411471 education-main-server d>    1384056 education-workstation e>    1520890 education-thin-client-server f>     891115 e

Re: weekly report week 44

2004-11-01 Thread Joey Hess
Ralf Gesel|ensetter wrote: > too much sport will kill you :) How about these alternatives for > trimming: Well FWIW it should be fixed again since this morning. It seems that changes to the debian-edu package's Makefile broke assumptions the CD build system was using to generate wantedpkglist.txt

Which programs are used by schools? (Was: weekly report week 44)

2004-11-01 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Ralf Gesel|ensetter] > the largest package which is rarest used would be TeX, wouldn't it? LaTeX was added on request from a science teacher. Why do you believe it is unused?

Re: weekly report week 44

2004-11-01 Thread Ralf Gesel|ensetter
Hej Joey, thanks for your report (and the work involved). Am Montag, 1. November 2004 16:30 schrieb Joey Hess: >  - Trimmed more fat from the debian-edu sarge CD (hmm, and from the > debian sarge CD), getting it back to working state. Although now it > seems it's broken again.. too much sport wi

Re: Workstation Maintainance?

2004-11-01 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Olaf Ronneberger] > Of course you can mount /etc read-only as long as you don't install or > update packages, but you _must_ not mount it via NFS (or where do you > want to put the /etc/fstab then for mounting it :-) I suspect you are talking about /etc/mtab here. And it can be a symlink to /pro

Re: weekly report week 44

2004-11-01 Thread Joey Hess
Done last week: - Trimmed more fat from the debian-edu sarge CD (hmm, and from the debian sarge CD), getting it back to working state. Although now it seems it's broken again.. - Gathered a list 13 people interested in testing security, based on all my past work contacting people. - Se

Re: Workstation Maintainance?

2004-11-01 Thread Olaf Ronneberger
Petter Reinholdtsen schrieb: [Olaf Ronneberger] The definitions, which part of the filesystem must be mounted read/write, read only, local or via network, shared for different operating systems or os-specific, etc. are written down in the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard http://www.pathname.com/f

Re: Workstation Maintainance?

2004-11-01 Thread Gavin McCullagh
Hi, On Mon, 01 Nov 2004, Ralf Gesel|ensetter wrote: > Am Montag, 1. November 2004 14:54 schrieb Gavin McCullagh: > > Interesting.  I'm really going to have to get my test network back up > > and running to try some of this stuff. > > Does this mean, BTW, you got your own "test center" back yonde

Re: Workstation Maintainance?

2004-11-01 Thread Ralf Gesel|ensetter
Am Montag, 1. November 2004 14:54 schrieb Gavin McCullagh: > Interesting.  I'm really going to have to get my test network back up > and running to try some of this stuff. Does this mean, BTW, you got your own "test center" back yonder? Are there any skolelinux using schools over on your isle ye

Re: Workstation Maintainance?

2004-11-01 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01-11-2004 14:54, Gavin McCullagh wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 01 Nov 2004, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > >>On 01-11-2004 13:31, Gavin McCullagh wrote: [cut] >>Lessdisks is a framework for distributed diskless systems. As such, it >>_can_ be configured

Re: Workstation Maintainance?

2004-11-01 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Olaf Ronneberger] > The definitions, which part of the filesystem must be mounted > read/write, read only, local or via network, shared for different > operating systems or os-specific, etc. are written down in the > Filesystem Hierarchy Standard > > http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.h

Re: Workstation Maintainance?

2004-11-01 Thread Olaf Ronneberger
Ralf Gesel|ensetter schrieb: Hi there, this is about possible improvements for maintaining skolelinux work stations. Just another set of ideas - please comment if it makes sense and is feasible: At the moment I hesitate installing an entire lab with slx workstations - not (only) because of wood

Re: Workstation Maintainance?

2004-11-01 Thread Gavin McCullagh
Hi, On Mon, 01 Nov 2004, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > On 01-11-2004 13:31, Gavin McCullagh wrote: > > > Would the lessdisks approach which is in development not solve these issues > > more effectively? As I understand it (corrections most welcome) the entire > > OS comes over the network *but* in

Re: Workstation Maintainance?

2004-11-01 Thread Gavin McCullagh
Hi, I hope I haven't misunderstood lessdisks. If I have, could someone please dispel my delusions. On Mon, 01 Nov 2004, Ralf Gesel|ensetter wrote: > Well, we will carry on MS Windows as 2nd Boot System in one of our Labs, > I am afraid. Therefore we will use full Workstations that are in the

Re: Workstation Maintainance?

2004-11-01 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01-11-2004 13:31, Gavin McCullagh wrote: > Would the lessdisks approach which is in development not solve these issues > more effectively? As I understand it (corrections most welcome) the entire > OS comes over the network *but* in contrast to th

Re: Report 2003:24: Experiences from the Use of Skolelinux.

2004-11-01 Thread Knut Yrvin
mandag 1. november 2004, 13:39, skrev Ralf Gesel|ensetter: > couldn't find  Donnas address on this list. However we plan to > translate the report at least in parts into German. Do you know if > there is an editable source file (sxw, html, TeX, ) of the > English version? :-) http://developer

Re: Map of schools in Germany ready

2004-11-01 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Ralf Gesel|ensetter wrote: ... my Atlas says: Point of interest furthest to the south: lat 46 - norh: lat 55; mean: 50.5 Logitude: take 5 to 15 degrees of logitude, mean: 10. Radius: about 550 km. Center 10/50.5 I tried to apply the coordinates of your Atlas at http://people

Re: Thank you

2004-11-01 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Ralf Gesel|ensetter wrote: gender neutral plural form "Schüler" there had been a strong arguement on deb-l10n-de for this. personally, I also tend to rather omit females I do not want to "omit" females - I just want to keep my mother tongue clean from rubish like that. Once the

Re: Workstation Maintainance?

2004-11-01 Thread Ralf Gesel|ensetter
Hi Gavin ;) Am Montag, 1. November 2004 13:31 schrieb Gavin McCullagh: > What is your rationale for using workstations instead of thin > clients? Local hardware (sound, floppy, usb,...) access? >  Performance?  Lack of power on server? Well, we will carry on MS Windows as 2nd Boot System in one o

Re: Report 2003:24: Experiences from the Use of Skolelinux.

2004-11-01 Thread Ralf Gesel|ensetter
Am Freitag, 18. Juni 2004 00:13 schrieb Knut Yrvin: > STATSKONSULT[1] is a state-owned limited company that deals with > public management development in Norway. Last year they made a > repport[2] about: Use of Open-Source Software at Four Norwegian > Schools. > > This report[2] is now translated t

Re: Workstation Maintainance?

2004-11-01 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Ralf Gesel|ensetter] > As write access should mainly go to NFS mounted home directory, isn't it > possible to mount local drives (except swap) r/o ? This could save > forced fsck after crude power offs - and prolongue the system' live > until re-install, too (easily done from CD if there is no

Re: Workstation Maintainance?

2004-11-01 Thread Gavin McCullagh
Hi, On Mon, 01 Nov 2004, Ralf Gesel|ensetter wrote: > [possible improvements for maintaining skolelinux work stations] > At the moment I hesitate installing an entire lab with slx workstations > - not (only) because of woody, but rather because of its maintainance. What is your rationale for u

Workstation Maintainance?

2004-11-01 Thread Ralf Gesel|ensetter
Hi there, this is about possible improvements for maintaining skolelinux work stations. Just another set of ideas - please comment if it makes sense and is feasible: At the moment I hesitate installing an entire lab with slx workstations - not (only) because of woody, but rather because of its

Re: User Administration

2004-11-01 Thread Runo Forrisdahl
On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 01:19:10PM +0200, Ralf Gesel|ensetter wrote: | Am Freitag, 29. Oktober 2004 22:11 schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: | > I'm not sure either if this is done. | | It has not been done. At least: putting someone into group "admins" | still leaves the request for the old password w

Re: Thank you

2004-11-01 Thread Ralf Gesel|ensetter
Am Montag, 1. November 2004 08:14 schrieb Andreas Tille: > gender > neutral plural form "Schüler" there had been a strong arguement on deb-l10n-de for this. personally, I also tend to rather omit females - anyway, concerning the public sector, there has been some adaption in language that marks

Re: Map of schools in Germany ready

2004-11-01 Thread Ralf Gesel|ensetter
Am Montag, 1. November 2004 08:00 schrieb Andreas Tille: >  If we talk about "German speeking countries" > we probably are missing a little bit in the south. yes, please. my approach had been like this: ... my Atlas says: Point of interest furthest to the south: lat 46 - norh: lat 55; mean: 50.

Re: Thank you

2004-11-01 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004, Kurt wrote: deutsch: http://www.skolelinux.org/de/news_archive/skolelinux/2004/best_newcomer_distro Would it be possible to replace the strange "Schüler/-innen" with the gender neutral plural form "Schüler" ? I'm sorry for being fussy but I hate such violations of my mother to

Re: Map of schools in Germany ready (Was: Suggestion: Feedback Query Form)

2004-11-01 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004, Ralf Gesel|ensetter wrote: how about changing the markers from red dots into small skoletuxes (our mascot)? Or we have different colors for different states: - yellow: preparing for migration - red: schools running linux - skoletux: schools running skolelinux :) I'm not sure ab

Re: Map of schools in Germany ready

2004-11-01 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004, Ralf Gesel|ensetter wrote: I feel, one edge of switzerland is missing - there is one school on the european map. everything else is great -- if the -label `date` doesn't work, the script generating the map could create another html file containing the date that can be displayed