Re: RFC: "Recommended bloat", and how to possibly fix it

2024-11-07 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Nov 07, 2024 at 12:08:22AM -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote: > On Wednesday, November 6, 2024 10:41:46 PM MST Aaron Rainbolt wrote: > > Again, this isn't a problem limited to a derivative distribution. I > > respect that your opinion of how Recommends should work differs from > > mine. That does

Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories

2024-11-28 Thread Theodore Ts'o
commit 91c7ab39337da63371b4814bef2b2aaf85a9e37c (origin/pristine-tar, pristine-tar) Author: Theodore Ts'o Date: Mon May 20 23:12:54 2024 -0400 pristine-tar data for e2fsprogs_1.47.1.orig.tar.gz e2fsprogs_1.47.1.orig.tar.gz.asc | 11 +++ e2fsprogs_1.47.1.orig.tar.gz.delta | Bin 0 -> 63961 bytes e2

Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories

2024-11-28 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 10:35:49AM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: > > I think this is a good example of us talking past each other in this > thread: some people question the value of pristine in the first place > (and I've been compelled by those arguments), and some people argue that > the cost is

Re: Epoch for src:fuse-ext2 to replace src:fuse-umfuse-ext2's fuseext2 binary

2024-12-02 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 03:28:40AM +0100, наб wrote: > I was expecting src:fuse-umfuse-ext2 to clear the RM queue by the time > this was uploaded, so I didn't think to enumerate them earlier. > > Tested all, all fixed, closed all. Many thanks for testing them and then closing them all. That was

Re: Epoch for src:fuse-ext2 to replace src:fuse-umfuse-ext2's fuseext2 binary

2024-11-29 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 05:37:59PM +0200, наб wrote: > > idk if you got a notification (the confirmation mail would indicate > otherwise?), but the patch is at #1085590. I've tested it to behave > the same as the real fuseext2 and it upgrades smoothly. I've uploaded e2fsprogs 1.47.2~rc1-1 to unss

Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Theodore Ts'o
Currently e2fsprogs recommends e2fsprogs-l10n. In Debian Policy, it states: This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. It seems to me that po translation f

Re: Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 09:28:34AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > There are a variety of reasons people don't want a package installed. > For packages that run a service or affects how the system behaves or > similar, it's much more debatable whether to install them by default, > even if doing so ma

Re: A 2025 NewYear present: make dpkg --force-unsafe-io the default?

2024-12-28 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 01:19:34PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > Further reading: look at the auto_da_alloc option in ext4. Note that it says > that doing the rename without the sync is wrong, but there's now a heuristic > in ext4 that tries to insert an implicit sync when that anti-pattern is used

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-10 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 02:52:05PM +0100, Gioele Barabucci wrote: > NFC has been mentioned in a broader discussion on PRECIS/RFC8264/RFC8265. > > The IdentifierClass of RFC 8264 explicitly disallows all these "security > land mines": https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8264.html#section-4.2.3 > > T

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-10 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 06:08:40PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: > I would involve cross-distribution discussion about this though. > Perhaps the /etc/passwd APIs affect some POSIX specifications, and a > non-ASCII extension could be proposed. Yeah, good point. If the scope is going to include pa

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-10 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Dec 03, 2024 at 09:39:03PM +0100, Gioele Barabucci wrote: > NFC would solve both of these "problems": > > * Both U+00E9 (é) and U+0065, U+0301 are NFC-normalized to U+00E9, > * Both U+2126 (Ohm sign) and U+0349 (omega) are NFC-normalized to U+0349 > (omega). > > What NFC alone will not so

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-12 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 09:24:15PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > > But things are moving by shadow upstream taking a user-hostile stance, > willing to take away freedom. I must be fine with that because I > cannot change it. But I don't need to like it. As a suggestion, we might make more forward pr

Re: Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 08:55:35PM +0100, Roland Clobus wrote: > > How about adding the translations to the main package e2fsprogs, and let the > package 'localepurge' remove them? For people who care about installed size, > that package helps to remove undesired translation files. (Although all >

Re: Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Dec 05, 2024 at 01:02:29PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > Personally, I am quite sympathetic to the argument about wasting disk > space, and I care about the size of the base system myself. But I think > the primary affordance we make for such use cases is for core system > packages to have

Re: What is going on with atomics?

2025-01-21 Thread Theodore Ts'o
A question about --as-needed as an upstream developer who wants to care about more than just Debian or Linux. Am I correct in assuming this will work on any system using GNU binutils? And it doesn't matter whether you are using gcc, clang, etc. What about other OS's such as *BSD, MacOS, etc.? I

Re: write the fine manual (was Re: Removing manpages from libpam-modules to improve multi-arch)

2025-01-21 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 06:03:42PM -0600, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > I've saved the worst for last. > > That is of course docbook-to-man. Ingo and I both find the quality of > its output to be execrable. It has been unmaintained for many years and > consistently seems to burn out and drive fro

Re: Directory structure suggestion for configuration in /etc

2024-12-23 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sat, Dec 21, 2024 at 04:38:46PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 08:37:33AM -0600, rhys wrote: > > > > > > > Right now, the model we have is "some packages use the empty /etc model, > > > some packages install commented-out defaults, and there's no > > > consistency". I'd

Re: Do we need a conflict of interest policy?

2025-02-08 Thread Theodore Ts'o
I'm a bit dubious about a ChatGPT authored Conflict of Interest (COI) policy because most of them that you will find on-line, and thus what a Large Language Model (LLM) will regurgitate, are meant for orgaizations where you have a small body of people who vote. So for example, if you serve on the

Re: Need maintainer guide for debugging on i386

2025-05-01 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, May 01, 2025 at 12:28:10PM +, Mathias Gibbens wrote: > On Mon, 2025-04-21 at 13:12 +0200, Bastien Roucaries wrote: > > Now we could not install on i386, we need a wiki page for how to > > debug quickly on i386 > > It's easy to setup an i386 container with Incus, which is how I've > b

Re: New contributor experience

2025-06-17 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Jun 17, 2025 at 11:15:55PM +0300, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > You are aware that you can send e-mail to a MR on GitHub and to a PR > on GitLab and pretty much every Forge supports both email > notifications and email replies? > > The only feature currently missing in GitLab is to have the > n

Re: New contributor experience

2025-06-18 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 02:29:49PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > The typical Github/Gitlab workflow encourages having a separation between > two categories of branches: > > - stable, "public", safe to reference and will not be force-pushed > (for example "main" or "0.2.x" or "debian/latest") >

Re: New contributor experience

2025-06-16 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Jun 16, 2025 at 05:43:12PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > The obvious counter example here is Jia Tan[1][2]. Another more recent > example is the "X11Libre" developer who had to get ejected from > Freedesk.org after contributing a huge number of questionable >

Re: New contributor experience

2025-06-14 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Jun 04, 2025 at 10:47:35AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Sorry, yes, Debian discussions around workflow are often frustrating > because part of the discussion is usually at least a mild request > for existing maintainers to change their current workflows, and when > people feel overwhelme

Re: New contributor experience

2025-06-16 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sat, Jun 14, 2025 at 07:09:59PM +0200, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: > > > >I think the other reason why these discussions are a bit frustrating > >is that there seems to be an implicit assumptions that all > >contributions from newcomers *must* be good, > > dunno. > I think the implicit assumptio

Re: New contributor experience

2025-06-17 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Jun 17, 2025 at 11:15:55PM +0300, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > I've seen some of this same sentiment in discussions about > bugs.debian.org. People think that having a hard-to-use bug tracker > will keep the "noobs" away and maintain a higher quality of bug > reports and discussions among the p

Re: New contributor experience

2025-06-17 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Jun 17, 2025 at 07:49:11PM +0300, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > > A person with your seniority surely knows better commands to use than > review plain diffs. Naturally, it is better to review using the git > log -p output that shows each commit message individually and related > changes. You *

Re: New contributor experience

2025-06-17 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Jun 17, 2025 at 08:51:19AM +0300, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > > After a `git fetch` or a `git pull` it is very easy to review what > the change is or diff it against the current main branch. There are > a bunch of tolls, including of course the usual gitk and `git > difftool --dir-diff` + Mel

Re: New contributor experience

2025-05-30 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Fri, May 30, 2025 at 02:39:19PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > > This seems like a good opportunity to point out that for non-trivial > changes, it's often a good idea to have a bug report (or issue, or > whatever this particular project uses) *anyway*, as a place to put a > solution-neutral pr

Re: Static compiled packages option for apt

2025-06-26 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 08:57:42PM -0700, 1...@110110.net wrote: > > I personally would like debian to research a version of debian for > high performance computers, or at least a fork of debian optimized > for high performance computers; ready to occupy large sets of ram, > hd space, and complete

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