Re: Why does Debian distributed firmware not need to be Depends: upon? [was Re: LCC and blobs]

2005-01-09 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2005-01-09 kello 16:52 +0100, Miguel Gea Milvaques kirjoitti: > Then if software as xpdf could be in main, software loading firmware > must be in main. Without commenting on the issue otherwise: This is not a working analogy. xpdf can load any PDF file. Device drivers can, typically, only load

Re: Bug#293167: ITP: request-tracker3.4 -- Extensible trouble-ticket tracking system

2005-02-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2005-02-01 kello 15:25 +, Stephen Quinney kirjoitti: > This is the 3.4 series of RT, it can be installed alongside the 3.0 > and 3.2 series without any problems. This release is a big > improvement over previous versions and features many new features, > substantial performance improvem

Re: [Ipw2100-devel] debian, ipw2200 and wlan0

2005-02-07 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2005-02-07 kello 16:50 +0100, Mike Hommey kirjoitti: > Debian is a distribution which tries to provide good software, implying > changes if necessary. I completely agree with this. If changing a program makes it better, Debian should do it even if upstream doesn't. Such changes should be justi

Re: volunteering to help development

2005-02-13 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2005-02-10 kello 18:23 -0800, Frederico Rodrigues Abraham kirjoitti: > hi. i want to help developing for debian. > how should i proceed? > i have experience with computer graphics and mathematical tools > programming, but most interested in the computer graphics field, in > which i'

Re: debian-policy: Virtual package: change mp3-encoder with music-encoder

2005-02-13 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2005-02-13 kello 01:22 +0200, Jesus Climent kirjoitti: > Having no mp3 encoder in the archive, due to possible patent problems, i > believe it would be a wiser idea to have "music-encoder" as a virtual package > than "mp3-encoder". Wouldn't it be necessary for this to work for all music encode

Re: Bug#295328: general: Help messages to stderr should be banned

2005-02-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2005-02-15 kello 10:19 +0100, Marco d'Itri kirjoitti: > On Feb 15, Justin Pryzby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I suppose I will start filing minor bugs against packages that do > > this. I'd like to hear other people's opinions, though. (It occurs > > to me that help output to stderr is a

Re: (forw) Packages not using po-debconf - more active actions to come

2005-02-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2005-02-16 kello 11:00 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen kirjoitti: > .. as usual, please include maintainer names with package lists like > this. (And thanks for assembling the list. :) I seem to have written a little script for this (attached). I don't see a similar thing in devscripts. Is that the ri

Re: Bug#297629: ITP: gallery2 -- web-based photo album written in PHP

2005-03-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2005-03-01 kello 16:46 -0500, Michael Schultheiss kirjoitti: > Gallery2 (G2) has been redesigned from the ground up and is database > driven. Two years of design and development have gone into G2. It has > customizable themes and layouts using XHTML compliant templates which > make it much ea

Re: Problems with - and ' in some man-pages

2005-03-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2005-03-02 kello 22:45 +0100, Bernd Eckenfels kirjoitti: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > > Unicode. If people want to use Unicode, this is fine; > > Unicode and utf-8 exist to be used, after all. However, > > restricted character sets (mainly ascii and Latin-1) > > offer several

Re: dehs will stop

2005-03-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2005-03-06 kello 19:28 +0100, Thiemo Seufer kirjoitti: > Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: > > Do *not* file 6229 bugs about the same subject. Never. > > Why not? As wishlist bugs with patch this seems sensible to me. Denial of service attacks on the bug tracking system, on mailing lists, mail ser

Re: dehs will stop

2005-03-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2005-03-06 kello 20:11 +0100, Thiemo Seufer kirjoitti: > Since preparation of the accompanying patches would take some time, > it is unlikely to cause "denial of service" or "disruption". If they are sent at a slow pace, then the disruption is less, it is true. It is still detrimental to have

Re: dehs will stop

2005-03-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2005-03-06 kello 21:09 +0100, Thiemo Seufer kirjoitti: > We don't talk about automated bug filing here. We're talking about filing over 6000 bugs for watch files. It may not be automated, but it is mass-filing. It doesn't matter if it takes weeks or months, it is still not a good idea. That is

Re: NPTL and static linking

2005-03-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2005-03-08 kello 13:00 -0800, Blunt Jackson kirjoitti: > Does anyone know if this is an intentional decision on the part of the > glibc/nptl crew to refuse to support static linking of the pthreads > library (perhaps due to ongoing development)? I don't know the answer to your exact question,

manpages-zh/cman

2005-03-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2005-03-14 kello 13:42 +, Martin Michlmayr kirjoitti: > Anthony told me over dinner that people interested in adopting his > packages can go ahead. So please consider this an invitation to adopt > lilypond if you're serious about maintaining it. In this context, I'd like to point out the

Re: Shall Debian's su conform to other implementations

2005-11-14 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Loudly promoting my own software here... la, 2005-11-12 kello 10:39 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh kirjoitti: > On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Besides, depends/pre-depends and conflicts should be more than enough if > > > done right. > > > > Yes, this is what is meant by sup

Checksumming tool

2005-11-28 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2005-11-28 kello 19:07 +1000, Anthony Towns kirjoitti: > Hrm, if we're writing our own thing, maybe we should do it properly: > have a single program that can do multiple hash algorithms, have the > default hash be secure, and update it in future, and so on. As it happens, I've been wanting a

Re: Checksumming tool

2005-11-28 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2005-11-28 kello 18:20 -0600, Adam Heath kirjoitti: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > > File: foo%20bar/hellurei.txt > > Size: 12345 > > MD5: 012345667 > > SHA-256: 0a0a0a0a0a0a0a0a0a0a0a0a > > Mode: 06

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-10 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2005-12-10 kello 10:39 +0100, Daniel Baumann kirjoitti: > Christian Perrier wrote: > > We (Debian developers and contributors) certainly all agree on this > > (or, at least, the vast majority of us). > > Why then being so complicated? If there is a candidate in a country > doomed by US export

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2005-12-18 kello 13:38 -0500, Joey Hess kirjoitti: > One argument I can think of for keeping nvi in base is that it is the > closest to bug-compatible with the original vi. However, I don't think > that will prevent hardcore vi users from easily using vim-tiny if > it's in base. I'm one of the

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2005-12-18 kello 20:17 +0100, Norbert Tretkowski kirjoitti: > * Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > In fact, given that it's good for base to be small, I'd like to > > suggest that we don't have more than one editor there. > > We already have two editors in the b

Re: /run vs /var/run (was: Please test new sysvinit)

2005-12-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2005-12-18 kello 20:18 +0100, Marco d'Itri kirjoitti: > > Sounds it sounds to me like it is a bad idea to use it. > Only because you have no clue of what you are talking about. Marco, would please keep the discussion technical, and not attack the people taking part, even if you think they're

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2005-12-18 kello 14:57 -0500, Joey Hess kirjoitti: > Yeah, I understand the feeling (coming at it from the exact opposite > side). It would be helpful if there were an analysis of the major differences > somewhere; the ones I am most aware of incude: I'm not personally very interested in this.

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Bug#343662: fsck errors halting boot after upgrade]

2005-12-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2005-12-19 kello 10:21 -0500, Theodore Ts'o kirjoitti: > Specifically, what I would propose is /etc/localtime.conf contain > something like "US/Eastern", and let /etc/zoneinfo be a copy of the > file /usr/share/zoneinfo/`cat /etc/zoneinfo`. > > Does anyone have any objections with this proposa

Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-20 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Subject: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing [ I'm subscribed to -devel, no Cc required. I apologize for the length, but it's only a bit over 3000 words. I hope the section titles help, if you want to skip parts. ] For some time now I have been thinking about ways to make

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2005-12-21 kello 10:28 +, Roger Leigh kirjoitti: > For this task, you might find schroot(1) useful. It's a means of > accessing chroot environments, but it supports LVM snapshots as one > method. Does this require the user to set up LVM somehow before using schroot? > This is a very qu

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2005-12-21 kello 14:19 +, Roger Leigh kirjoitti: > The difference for a minimal chroot is not too great. The main > advantage of schroot LVM snapshotting is that the time is constant > irrespective of the size of the LV (it's copy-on-write), whereas for > tar it is linear. For slow machin

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2005-12-22 kello 10:20 +, Jon Dowland kirjoitti: > On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 09:29:24PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > su, 2005-12-18 kello 20:17 +0100, Norbert Tretkowski kirjoitti: > > > We already have two editors in the base system, nvi and nano. > > > &g

Re: debian control field "depends"

2005-12-27 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2005-12-27 kello 20:56 +0100, Florian Ludwig kirjoitti: > Hello,... > > a short question: > has there to be a space between each dependes in the control field? > > i thought so and field in a bugreport [1] and didnt get an answer jet... > > florian ludwig > > [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-

Re: debian control field "depends"

2005-12-28 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2005-12-28 kello 10:59 +0100, Florian Ludwig kirjoitti: > There are some other packets with the same 'bug' - so i can fill a > wishlist report? Since it is not really a bug, I'd rather you didn't file bugs about it. The constructive thing would be to write a new test for lintian and/or linda

Re: debian control field "depends"

2005-12-28 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2005-12-28 kello 13:48 +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt kirjoitti: > Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > ke, 2005-12-28 kello 10:59 +0100, Florian Ludwig kirjoitti: > >> There are some other packets with the same 'bug' - so i can fill a >

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-29 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2005-12-29 kello 11:01 +0100, Toni Mueller kirjoitti: > I'm not used to nano, but the editor in base expected to be used for > working on system config files is imho required to respect tabs and eg. > *not* convert them to spaces unless told to do so, and also provide > means to enter new tabs.

Re: dependencies on makedev

2005-12-29 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2005-12-29 kello 13:39 +0100, Marco d'Itri kirjoitti: > To prepare for the eventual removal of makedev, I propose that packages > currently depending on it will add an alternative dependency to udev. > Also, policy should be amended accordingly. > > The affected packages are: This is the same

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-29 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2005-12-28 kello 02:00 +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff kirjoitti: > Why don't we add a status field into the PTS, where a maintainer > can denote her "NMU policy" for a given source package? E.g. > a selection box, ranging from "Don't dare to touch this, I bite" > to "Feel free to 0d-NMU for every se

Re: dependencies on makedev

2005-12-30 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2005-12-30 kello 09:34 +0100, Wouter Verhelst kirjoitti: > On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 05:31:09PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 12:40:37AM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: > > > > Indeed. Editing plain text configuration files has never been the Unix > > > > way, and vi certainly

Re: How to Increase Contributions from Volunteers

2006-01-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2006-01-02 kello 09:03 +0100, Andreas Fester kirjoitti: > You are already a Maintainer as soon as you have a package > in the archive. Speaking of an "official title" as you suggested, > maybe something like the following stages could be reasonable: I find your title unambitious and suggest im

Re: Debian for desktop - gnome in usnstable/experimantal more stable than in testing ?

2006-01-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2006-01-02 kello 22:16 -0500, Benjamin Mesing kirjoitti: > I admit I was imprecise, often it are conflicts (usually through library > stuff) that prevent packages from being installable when you have > certain other installed, even though you would want both. > But as mentioned I am only repeat

Re: Bug#345160: ITP: libgpod -- a library to read and write songs and artwork to an iPod

2006-01-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2006-01-03 kello 21:06 +0100, Josselin Mouette kirjoitti: > Le vendredi 30 décembre 2005 à 17:55 +0100, Mike Hommey a écrit : > > Something troubles me. You make unofficial packages while waiting for > > official > > packages. Aren't you DD ? Wouldn't uploading these unofficial packages > > in

Re: Advices, comments? Bug#345651: passwd package should be essential?

2006-01-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2006-01-06 kello 18:38 +0100, Christian Perrier kirjoitti: > From: Kurt Roeckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > There are several things in the package that one might > want to run from one of the maintainer scripts from > debconf, like useradd, groupadd, userdel, ... Is there a problem with packages

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-09 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2006-01-09 kello 21:15 +, Simon Huggins kirjoitti: > On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 07:20:46PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > > Debian Xfce Maintainers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > xfce4-mixer > > xfce4-mixer-alsa > > xfce4-mixer-oss > > Can you remind me why circular dependencies are so t

Wig & Pen -- new source format roadmap?

2006-01-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2006-01-15 kello 20:21 +, Mark Brown kirjoitti: > Deploying Wig & Pen would also help, of course. Speaking of which: what needs to happen for Wig & Pen (the new source format) to be usable? Is it possible to get it to happen within etch? What can we do to help with this? -- Those who do,

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-29 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2006-01-29 kello 04:35 +0100, Josselin Mouette kirjoitti: > Le samedi 28 janvier 2006 à 21:16 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > > God. Is this supposed to be rational technical discussion, or > > an exercise in jejune mud slinging. > > Deliberate use of words a non-native English sp

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-02-09 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Thomas, how does responding to a flamey thread that had already died a week and a half earlier make anything better? (It doesn't even matter that the point had already been made.) Debian has a tendency to have many or most of its mailing list discussion turn into flame wars, and this is bad, beca

Re: documentation types

2006-02-10 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2006-02-10 kello 07:36 -0500, Neil Roeth kirjoitti: > On Feb 10, Hendrik Sattler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > I about packaging a library that ships an API reference in docbook SGML > and > > provides manual build targets for PDF, PS and HTML. > > > > Is there any preference on which t

Re: Bug#352303: ITP: gsynaptics -- configuration tool for Synaptics touchpad driver of X

2006-02-10 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2006-02-11 kello 13:30 +0900, Osamu Aoki kirjoitti: > GSynaptics is a configuration tool for Synaptics touchpad driver > of X server. Before you use this package, please read > /usr/share/doc/gsynaptics/README and configure X server properly. "Properly" is a bad word to use in this context,

Re: Bug#352535: ITP: gitmail -- Very simple graphical mail user agent for sending mail (GTK)

2006-02-14 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2006-02-13 kello 23:00 +0100, Adeodato Simó kirjoitti: > * Adeodato Simó [Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:58:24 +0100]: > > > And it may fall under the "too buggy that we refuse to support it" > > Ah, forgot to say that the code is, at least, full of malloc(FIXED_NUM), > that afterwards get used w

Re: Recommending an image viewer

2006-02-14 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2006-02-14 kello 16:28 +0100, Henning Makholm kirjoitti: > Does anybody have a better idea than trying (in vain) to keep myself > informed about the supply of image viewers in unstable and adjust the > dependencies appropriately? Something similar to sensible-browser or such would sort of sugg

Bug#352912: general: Reduce network load using zip packaging and VFS

2006-02-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2006-02-15 kello 04:00 +0500, Victor Porton kirjoitti: > Here is my plan how to reduce Debian servers load and users Debian packages > download bandwidth: > > 1. Package in .zip (or a similar format) instead of .tar.{gz,bz2} Picking a random package: -rw-rw-r-- 1 liw liw 18113820 Mar 18 2

Re: documentation types

2006-02-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2006-02-17 kello 01:10 +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña kirjoitti: > Docbook/XML or SGML conversion to HTML is easy. Proper PS / PDF generation is > not that easy (depends on toolchain and local configuration) and that's > what your average user typically asks for when handling large docum

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-02-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2006-02-17 kello 10:58 +0900, Miles Bader kirjoitti: > "Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > actual topic of the discussion, just shut up. > > Oh get a life. It's perfectly relevant to talk about the qualities of > the languages involved. A comparative discussion about lan

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main (was: Bug#353277: should be in contrib)

2006-02-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2006-02-18 kello 10:43 -0500, Michael Poole kirjoitti: > What's the purpose of an assembler without assembly code to use it on? It can be used, for example, to assemble code you write yourself. That is, after all, the primary purpose of programming tools: to help programmers develop programs.

Problems found by piuparts

2006-02-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
In the past six months, I've filed about 260 bug reports based on what piuparts has found. About 40% of those have been fixed so far. Below is a summary of the common problems, hopefully the list will help everyone to find and especially avoid problems in their own packages. * The most com

Re: Problems found by piuparts

2006-02-20 Thread Lars Wirzenius
I added a Cc to Manoj since I would like to hear his comment. Whoever responds may want to remove the Cc to avoid stuffing his inbox unnecessarily. su, 2006-02-19 kello 23:42 -0800, Steve Langasek kirjoitti: > On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 08:24:53AM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > >

Re: Problems found by piuparts

2006-02-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2006-02-23 kello 02:26 +1100, Anand Kumria kirjoitti: > On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 08:24:53AM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > > > * Creating /usr/local/lib/foo in postinst, but not removing it > > in postrm. > > I don't think that is a problem at

Re: Problems found by piuparts

2006-02-27 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2006-02-24 kello 18:27 -0300, Gustavo Franco kirjoitti: > What i thought in a first look to the Lars' list. I think that the > best thing would include piuparts as a infrastructural test (oficially > as a part of our archive code), or due to restrict admin time to do > that, opt for something l

Re: Problems found by piuparts

2006-02-27 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2006-02-27 kello 18:39 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow kirjoitti: > I think it would be best for the buildd to run this and append the > result to the buildd log. I don't, because, as I said, piuparts tests often fail for reasons completely unrelated to the package itself, and there is no point in

Re: Is there some guideline saying that native packages should be avoided?

2006-02-28 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2006-02-28 kello 19:39 +0200, Panu Kalliokoski kirjoitti: > I would like to ask whether there really is such a guideline, and if so, > which are the technical / political reasons that lead to it. There is a somewhat common feeling among Debian developers that Debian packaging should be separat

Re: custom package error: dpkg -P tries to remove /opt

2006-03-07 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2006-03-06 kello 19:39 -0800, Mike Fogel kirjoitti: > However, I can't seem to figure out how to resolve this error: > > $ dpkg -i custom-package.deb > ... installation goes perfectly > $ dpkg -P custom-package > ... removal goes perfectly until this error/warning > dpkg - warning

Re: For those who care about stable updates

2006-03-09 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2006-03-09 kello 19:21 +0100, Amaya kirjoitti: > 1 - lobby (all of them) > 2 - get promises in exchange of votes That reminds me of something I meant to propose some time ago: someone with a bit of time on their hands could make a wiki page, DplPromises2006 say, and list all the promises of a

Re: For those who care about stable updates

2006-03-10 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2006-03-10 kello 21:49 +0100, Adrian von Bidder kirjoitti: > /me is trying to imagine the Debian project's members trying to agree on an > enemy... Open RC bugs. Go to http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php, pick one, hate it to death. Sleep well. -- C is the *wrong* language for your applic

Re: For those who care about stable updates

2006-03-10 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2006-03-10 kello 20:31 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh kirjoitti: > On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > pe, 2006-03-10 kello 21:49 +0100, Adrian von Bidder kirjoitti: > > > /me is trying to imagine the Debian project's members trying to agree on

Re: For those who care about stable updates

2006-03-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2006-03-12 kello 12:20 +0100, Frank Küster kirjoitti: > Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Actually, in case stockholm gets elected, > > Sorry, where's the Wiki page describing codenames for DPL candidates? db.debian.org lists them, though for clarity of discussion, it helps to

Re: question on hurd-i386 Debian architecture

2006-03-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2006-03-12 kello 15:49 +0100, Peter Kourzanov kirjoitti: > Can anyone please explain why this architecture is named hurd-i386 > rather that i386-hurd? I guess it just happened to seem like a good name at the time. Why, is there a problem with the name? Does it matter? Debian architecture na

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2006-03-13 kello 08:57 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst kirjoitti: > I don't think it's useful to second-guess what they're doing, so my > question to Nathanael: when did you post this question to them directly > and what was their answer? Is there a reason why the question should be made in private? I

Re: Regarding the NEW queue (Was: Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?)

2006-03-13 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2006-03-13 kello 14:59 +0100, Jeroen van Wolffelaar kirjoitti: > On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 12:20:38PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > Is there a reason why the question should be made in private? > > It seems as if only problems and annoyances end up on mailinglists, and &g

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-17 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2006-03-17 kello 14:46 +1100, Brian May kirjoitti: > Would the next step be to ban Sven from participating in our public > mailing lists? With the understanding that we're now not talking about Sven Luther but a hypothetical highly abusive person, I wish to ask Brian the following question: do

Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?

2005-01-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2005-01-25 kello 12:34 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa kirjoitti: > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The problem is things/websites/etc that "many" parents don't think > > are appropriate for their children. > > These parents are free to install whatever traffic blocker they feel > appropriate

Re: ITP: opencubicplayer -- Music file player

2005-03-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2005-03-26 kello 21:35 -0700, Jeremy Nickurak kirjoitti: > On Sat, 2005-03-26 at 12:53 +0100, Gürkan Sengün wrote: > > Description : Music file player > > This is a port of the Open Cubic Player to Linux. > > . > > It would be nice if the description had some definition of what the > s

Re: intend-to-implement: script to obtain Debian Source

2005-03-27 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2005-03-27 kello 09:01 +0200, George Danchev kirjoitti: > I second suggestion given at #250202 and like to see "unpacked" and "patched" > targets to hit Policy 4.8. I hear that Adam Heath (doogie for those on IRC) has been working on a new source package format that will make tarball-within-t

Re: intend-to-implement: script to obtain Debian Source

2005-03-27 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2005-03-27 kello 07:49 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh kirjoitti: > On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > I hear that Adam Heath (doogie for those on IRC) has been working on a > > new source package format that will make tarball-within-tarball sources > > But

Re: dpatch and patching debian/rules

2005-03-31 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2005-03-31 kello 01:06 -0600, Peter Samuelson kirjoitti: > [martin f krafft] > > Parts of debian/rules are Ubuntu-specific (e.g. mv README.Debian > > README.Ubuntu) and we would love to have that removed. > > The DISTRIB thing can be implemented quite easily without include files > or anything

Re: dpatch and patching debian/rules

2005-03-31 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2005-03-31 kello 10:31 +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen kirjoitti: > Sounds cool. > >$ sudo apt-get install lsb-release >$ lsb-release >bash: lsb-release: command not found >$ lsb_release >LSB Version:n/a > > Hmm. Is n/a an abbreviation for debiaN/unstAble? $ lsb_release -a

Re: dpatch and patching debian/rules

2005-03-31 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2005-03-31 kello 20:45 +, Michael Ablassmeier kirjoitti: > On 2005-03-31, Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Any package that uses it is going to have to build-depend on the > > lsb-release package, which has no dependencies (it is a bash shell > >

Re: dpatch and patching debian/rules

2005-03-31 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2005-03-31 kello 21:07 +, Michael Ablassmeier kirjoitti: > On 2005-03-31, Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Given that the sysadmin can and does edit it as they wish, that is > > pretty useless. > > yes, but this might happen to `/etc/lsb-r

Re: anonymous dupload stopped working

2005-04-05 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2005-04-05 kello 13:12 -0400, Adam C Powell IV kirjoitti: > Interesting... I just installed and tried dput, and everything seems to > work fine. So dupload is broken. Data point: I used dupload to anonymous-ftp-master successfully last week. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] w

Re: intend-to-implement: script to obtain Debian Source

2005-04-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2005-04-06 kello 19:31 +0200, Pierre THIERRY kirjoitti: > Scribit Steve Greenland dies 04/04/2005 hora 07:15: > > > - what problems do thsi random order could weed? > > Unnoted dependencies that just happen to be fulfilled due to a > > consistent (though arbitrary) application order. By applyin

Re: Detecting the installed MTA

2005-04-07 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2005-04-07 kello 15:10 +0200, Søren Boll Overgaard kirjoitti: > During packaging, that is, during the installation of a package, I need to > determine which MTA is currently installed, since I need to set certain > permissions specific to my package, so that they match with those of the > curr

Bug#303986: ITP: soundconverter -- convert sound files to other formats

2005-04-10 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: soundconverter Version : 0.7.1 Upstream Author : Gautier Portet * URL : http://soundconverter.berlios.de/ * License : GPL v2 Description : convert sound fi

Re: lintian & linda

2005-04-11 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2005-04-11 kello 13:19 +0200, Emanuele Rocca kirjoitti: > It would be very nice to add these to linda's description. > This way, every user can decide to install linda rather than lintian if > they need these specific features. Given that the two tools have different sets of tests, even if man

Re: Bug#304330: ITP: iscsitarget -- iSCSI Enterprise Target

2005-04-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2005-04-13 kello 14:10 +1000, Hamish Moffatt kirjoitti: > On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 03:32:02PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 02:33:49PM +0200, Philipp Hug wrote: > > > Description : iSCSI Enterprise Target > > > > > > An iSCSI Target implementation supporti

Traps for rc bug fixing

2005-04-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2005-04-25 kello 23:40 +0200, Joerg Jaspert kirjoitti: > Its a tool where everything is written in one file, and then something > generates the debian/ out of it. Argh. Speaking as someone who looks at lots of different packages while fixing RC bugs, anything that is out of the ordinary is a s

Re: PHP/WebApp policy/mailing list

2005-05-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2005-05-01 kello 21:41 +0100, Neil McGovern kirjoitti: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] I keep thinking that it should be in plural: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: debian sarge is 3.2 or 4 ?

2005-05-05 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2005-05-05 kello 15:52 +0200, Andrea Mennucc kirjoitti: > So why nobody did actually change the number then? Release numbers, like release code names, are up to the release managers to decide. Since neither is particularly important, there's really not much point in discussing them at length:

asciidoc makes ugly man pags (was: cogito_0.10-1 available)

2005-05-09 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2005-05-08 kello 22:15 -0600, Sebastian Kuzminsky kirjoitti: > The only lintian/linda complaints are from missing manpages. Some > upstream folks are working on translating the existing docs from .txt > to manpages (actually asciidoc), so it'll hopefully get cleaner soon > without me lifting a

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-09 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2005-05-09 kello 14:39 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG kirjoitti: > Daniel Jacobowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > You asked why the GNU linker, which does not need to be 'ls' and does > > not need to look at the list of files in any directory, scaled well > > with the size of the directory.

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-09 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Thomas, please read http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources.en.html#s-mailing-lists-rules about not sending Cc's unless people explicitly ask to be copied. (Mail-Followup-To is non-standard and badly supported, and also unnecessary. Any decent mail user agent can deal with

Re: way to tell when a package makes it to testing?

2005-05-09 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2005-05-09 kello 14:56 -0700, Steve Langasek kirjoitti: > There is no log; there is only the daily output of britney, telling which > packages have been accepted in. There is, however, qa.debian.org, that lets you see at a glance the versions in stable, testing, and unstable. It requires polli

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2005-06-08 kello 10:32 +0200, Marco d'Itri kirjoitti: > On Jun 08, Jesus Climent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I do _not_ want a web server right after apt-get installing it, since > > everybody has to move the default page and create their own content. > _I_ do. > If I install a daemon, it

Re: Planet Debian and Akregator

2005-06-09 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2005-06-09 kello 11:40 +0200, Pierre HABOUZIT kirjoitti: > AFAIK, it is a debianplanet bug since the source feeds it uses *are* > correctly escaped. I haven't bothered to investigate it often when the ampersand problem occurs, but on the couple of occasions I have, it has been a case of the

Re: Bits from the dpkg maintainer

2005-06-13 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2005-06-13 kello 10:10 +0200, Peter Palfrader kirjoitti: > Historically we always wanted to be able to use all the source in the > archive with the tools available in stable. If that policy is still > true you would be able to use the new features by the time edge releases > with the new dpkg.

Re: links to logs in /etc? (/etc/postgresql/7.4/main/log)

2005-06-13 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2005-06-13 kello 23:56 +0200, Olaf van der Spek kirjoitti: > On 6/13/05, Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's a stupid argument. > > It's not that stupid. > If other files shouldn't be there, the specs should explicitly state that. The Debian Policy does not, and cannot, have a ru

Re: Question regarding "offensive" material

2005-06-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2005-06-15 kello 12:51 +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt kirjoitti: > I'm asking for guidance regarding this bug: > #313492: xscreensaver/GLSnake has sexually inappropriate imagery ... > 1) Is it a bug at all? >There's no technical problem in the program per se. It's just that >this one person m

Testing package installation, upgrading, and removal

2005-06-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
o be uploaded to Debian unstable. It is in ../foo_1.0-2_i386.deb and you would like to know whether it installs and uninstalls properly. Here's what you would do: piuparts ../foo_1.0-2_i386.deb SEE ALSO pbuilder(1) AUTHOR Lars Wirzeni

Re: Release-critical Bugreport for June 17, 2005

2005-06-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2005-06-19 kello 11:28 +0200, Turbo Fredriksson kirjoitti: > > Package: roxen3 (debian/main) > > Maintainer: Turbo Fredriksson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > 298934 [] [X] roxen3: contains non-free fonts > > In one of Debian's lists (have no idea which), I/we discussed this. It was > YEARS

Re: Testing package installation, upgrading, and removal

2005-06-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2005-06-18 kello 22:53 -0400, Joey Hess kirjoitti: > I want to run a test that installs each package in woody in turn, > upgrades them to sarge, then to sid, then purges it, then looks for > /usr/doc and /usr/info stuff that is were produced during the package's > install or upgrade and not rem

Re: Testing package installation, upgrading, and removal

2005-06-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2005-06-18 kello 22:53 -0400, Joey Hess kirjoitti: > I want to run a test that installs each package in woody in turn, > upgrades them to sarge, then to sid, then purges it, then looks for > /usr/doc and /usr/info stuff that is were produced during the package's > install or upgrade and not rem

Re: Testing package installation, upgrading, and removal

2005-06-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2005-06-20 kello 16:47 +0100, Paul Brossier kirjoitti: > how about an optional debian/package.piuparts file that would contain > the syntax to make runtime tests? this would allow to check that > executables can be run, and possibly that their result is consistent. it > could even be used to de

Re: Testing package installation, upgrading, and removal

2005-06-24 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2005-06-23 kello 03:28 -0400, Kevin Mark kirjoitti: > A simple question. You mention that you use apt-get in this new testing > environment. Would it be useful to allow an apt-get > workalike(dpkg/aptitude/wajig)? Yes, that needs to be done. I haven't had trouble with it yet, so I haven't bot

Re: Bug#315808: ITP: cedar-backup2 -- Secure backup to CD-R and CD-RW media

2005-06-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
First, this sounds like an interesting piece of software, and I'm happy to see it packaged. su, 2005-06-26 kello 01:51 -0500, Kenneth Pronovici kirjoitti: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: "Kenneth J. Pronovici" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * Package name: cedar-backup2 Why the 2 in p

Re: Bug#315808: ITP: cedar-backup2 -- Secure backup to CD-R and CD-RW media

2005-06-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2005-06-26 kello 11:13 -0500, Kenneth Pronovici kirjoitti: > Perhaps you would prefer this? > >Description : local and remote backups to CD-R/CD-RW media > > It's probably more descriptive anyway. Yep, I think that's better. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a sub

Re: Bug#315808: ITP: cedar-backup2 -- Secure backup to CD-R and CD-RW media

2005-06-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2005-06-26 kello 12:54 -0500, Ron Johnson kirjoitti: > > Don't forget to tell Rene Engelhard to rename OpenOffice.org2. > Hi, Ron. I once asked you to quote only the parts that are relevant when you respond to someone. I did it in private since that is usually the best and most effective fir

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