Re: Bug#648286: ITP: r8168 -- Realtek r8168 device driver for Linux (DKMS version)

2011-11-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
his: To: Realtek linux nic maintainers To: Francois Romieu Cc: net...@vger.kernel.org They may also wish to open a Debian bug report and cc that. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings You can't have everything. Where would you put it? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: /tmp as tmpfs and consequence for imaging software

2011-11-12 Thread Ben Hutchings
generally allow use of /tmp to be overridden by $TMPDIR and should handle disk-full errors gracefully. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings The program is absolutely right; therefore, the computer must be wrong. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: /tmp as tmpfs and consequence for imaging software

2011-11-12 Thread Ben Hutchings
sk > spinning and improve the performance. That doesn't really help that much once the system is short of memory, though. > So... while is true that tmpfs is faster than using the disk for /tmp, > it isn't such big deal. > > > And IMHO I don't think th

Re: Bug#648286: ITP: r8168 -- Realtek r8168 device driver for Linux (DKMS version)

2011-11-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
io_write(tp, 0x1E, 0x0078); > making this look very 'blobby'. Those sequences are reconfiguring the PHY, but some of them also patch the PHY firmware. Compare with the in-tree version which uses request_firmware() for the latter. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Never attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by stupidity. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Upcoming perl 5.14 transition

2011-11-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
me know ASAP. > dd-list follows: [...] Please ask before scheduling a binNMU of linux-2.6. It takes a substantial time to rebuild on some architectures and would be a waste of time if there was a maintainer upload planned around the same time. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Never attribute to conspiracy w

Re: What Debian use to load automatically kernel module ? discover tool ?

2011-11-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
ect further questions to the debian-user list or the maintainers of 'discover'. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Never attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by stupidity. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: /tmp as tmpfs and consequence for imaging software

2011-11-14 Thread Ben Hutchings
> > Are you volunteering to try to explain this bug to Ulrich Drepper ? Drepper isn't maintaining glibc any more (at least not as primary maintainer). Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: libconfig9 for Wheezy?

2011-11-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
on from libconfig8 to libconfig9. > > The maintainer is aware of the problem, and this has been tracked as > wishlist bug #583528 since May 2010 [2]. > > Is there enough time left to have this updated before the Wheezy freeze > window? Very likely, but release questions should be

Bug#648896: ITP: kup -- kernel.org upload tool

2011-11-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ben Hutchings * Package name: kup Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : H. Peter Anvin * URL : git://git.zytor.com/users/hpa/kup/kup.git * License : GPLv2+ Programming Lang: Perl Description : kernel.org upload tool

Re: Bug#648896: ITP: kup -- kernel.org upload tool

2011-11-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2011-11-16 at 06:53 +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > On Mi, Nov 16, 2011 at 00:05:58 (CET), Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > Package: wnpp > > Severity: wishlist > > Owner: Ben Hutchings > > > > * Package name: kup > > Version :

Re: Distribution and support for Debian-502-i386-netinst

2011-11-16 Thread Ben Hutchings
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ [older versions] Ben. -- Ben Hutchings The world is coming to an end. Please log off. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Distribution and support for Debian-502-i386-netinst

2011-11-17 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 16:13 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Adam Borowski writes: > > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 06:39:28AM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > >> On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 04:10 +, Cherukuri, Shravan Kumar wrote: > >> > I have an image of Debian-50

Re: Distribution and support for Debian-502-i386-netinst

2011-11-17 Thread Ben Hutchings
his in stable point > releases? Just point to the bug report and stop stirring. I'm sorry this has introduced a regression for these systems, but you have a workaround and the backport enabled installation on many other systems. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before

Re: Can anyone offer hd partition advice? Circular dependancy!!!

2011-11-17 Thread Ben Hutchings
Stop spamming debian-devel. Your questions should be directed to debian-user. I don't suppose Goswin von Brederlow is personally interested in your questions either. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thi

Re: Distribution and support for Debian-502-i386-netinst

2011-11-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
work controller. (It is possible to use a newer installer to install stable, but that's much more prone to break or to differ from the installation manual.) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-19 Thread Ben Hutchings
ted until early 2009 (#511703), suggesting that there were few users with such systems. Debian 7.0 'wheezy' should be released in late 2012 or early 2013 and in the intervening 4 years the numbers of running systems with such a processor will have declined still further. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-19 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 00:55 +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > Ben Hutchings writes: > > 5. AMD/NSC Geode GX1, Geode SC1100, Elan SC4xx and SC5xx > > Does this mean that "AMD Geode LX" as mentioned in > http://pcengines.ch/alix.htm still works? [...] Yes, the late

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 08:40 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Sat, 19 Nov 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > Also possibly: > > 6. DM&P/SiS Vortex86 and Vortex86SX. These supposedly have all > >586-class features except an FPU, and we could probably keep FPU > >

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
a good answer, though I don't believe dak is ready to support partial architectures yet. We already have the ability to install optimised libraries that are selected automatically by the dynamic linker, but it would be preferable to have them also selected automatically by APT. Ben. -- Be

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 16:30 +0100, Kai Wasserbäch wrote: > Dear Raphaël, > Raphaël Hertzog schrieb am 20.11.2011 08:40: > > On Sat, 19 Nov 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote: > >> Also possibly: > >> 6. DM&P/SiS Vortex86 and Vortex86SX. These supposedly have all > &

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 15:14 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Nov 19, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > I think it is time to increase the minimum requirement to 586-class, if > > not for wheezy then immediately after. > I agree, it's time to weight the costs and be

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 18:02 +, Philipp Kern wrote: > On 2011-11-20, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > As I said, I think they may still be supportable - the kernel config > > allows selection of CONFIG_M586TSC and CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION, though > > whether the result actually wo

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
ng the source, so haven't checked this. /usr/lib/libxenstore.so.3.0.0: cmov - The hypervisor itself requires a 686-class processor, so not a serious problem. Would it be worth adding a lintian check for instructions that may not be supported (bearing in mind that a fair few packages will need t

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 21:29 +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 07:36:43PM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > > So far as I'm aware, none of the above will be generated directly by > > compilers (though they may be available through 'intrinsics

Re: Towards multi-arch: "Multi-Arch: same" file conflicts

2011-11-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
s including access time, which is obviously liable to change. You can suppress time and ownership information with the '-X' option. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Usenet is essentially a HUGE group of people passing notes in class. - Rachel Kadel, `A Quick Guide to Newsgroup Etiquette' signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 13:58 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hi Ben, > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 08:48:08PM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > Would it be worth adding a lintian check for instructions that may not > > be supported (bearing in mind that a fair few packages w

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 23:44 +0100, Cesare Leonardi wrote: > On 20/11/2011 20:36, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > If that is so, we should instead think forward to 686-class > > with CMOV as a minimum for wheezy + 1. Use of CMOV instructions is an > > important optimisation and

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 21:09 +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > I think that would be a pity if Debian will not provide anymore a kernel > > > for this old cpus. > > > > Maybe you think it's a waste to replace old P

Re: radeon problems

2011-11-21 Thread Ben Hutchings
s already know The Debian installer is discussed on the debian-boot list. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Teamwork is essential - it allows you to blame someone else. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: 486 still being sold NEW / was Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 04:44:03PM +0100, J.A. Bezemer wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Nov 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote: > >On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 16:30 +0100, Kai Wasserbäch wrote: > [..] > >>Apart from that I wonder how many "embedded" x86 CPUs (instruction set < >

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Ben Hutchings
features: grep ' tsc msr.* cx8' /proc/cpuinfo Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@list

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-22 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 04:47:20PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Ben Hutchings writes ("Increasing minimum 'i386' processor"): > > The 486-class processors that would no longer be supported are: > > 1. All x86 processors with names including '486' >

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-22 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 04:47:21PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Ben Hutchings , 2011-11-20, 20:48: > >Use of CPUID is probably safe in practice since most 486 models do > >implement it, though userland should really read /proc/cpuinfo. > >The other uses may be conditional on a

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-22 Thread Ben Hutchings
her bet on a spammer using random "From:". No, it's commentary on the rambling style and mostly irrelevant content of messages from "John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell". This entity claims to be required to send all its messages to the same mailing list due

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-23 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 00:44 +0100, Matthias Klose wrote: > On 11/19/2011 11:42 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > The i386 architecture was the first in Linux and in Debian, but we have > > long since dropped support for the original i386-compatible processors > > and now requi

Re: 486 still being sold NEW / was Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-12-07 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2011-12-07 at 09:43 +, David Goodenough wrote: > On Wednesday 07 Dec 2011, Toni Mueller wrote: > > On 11/21/2011 07:52 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > Since we're theorising, rather than talking about actual users, my > > > theory is that these are so

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
port by the kernel or initramfs packags. Ben. > There are quite good reasons why you wouldn't want to do thing that > way though. We should at least do our best not to make things > unreasonably difficult for people in this situation, even if we chose > not to really 'support

Re: options: was Red Hat is moving from / to /usr/

2011-12-12 Thread Ben Hutchings
9? Something else? Is > anyone working on a migration scheme? FreeBSD userland is largely a throwback to the 90s, so it's probably just what you're looking for. Plan 9 has precisely the unification you so hate. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [Fwd: [ISC-Bugs #25979] What happened to the dhcp patch in ISC-Bugs #24697 (Debian Bug #616290)?]

2011-12-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
way, since it's not allowed by POSIX. Indeed, for any system with an extensible VFS it makes a lot more sense to implement only pathconf() than to specify a constant value that covers all possible filesystems. But as you say there's a lot of software that depends on that constant. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [Fwd: [ISC-Bugs #25979] What happened to the dhcp patch in ISC-Bugs #24697 (Debian Bug #616290)?]

2011-12-16 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 14:31 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:41:39AM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 00:15 +, brian m. carlson wrote: > > > Hurd doesn't support PATH_MAX. So trying to allocate memory based on > > >

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-17 Thread Ben Hutchings
#x27;t tried it myself). [...] > It would be really helpful if someone would spell out the packages that > have had to be twisted into a funny shape to fit into the current > scheme, so that the long-term gains we are expecting were then revealed. nfs-common. But it will probably end up with funny shaped bits in the initramfs anyway. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
fs just to have /usr mounted early enough. Your custom kernel with everything built in has absolutely no bearing on what a *general-purpose distribution* has to do. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Humans are not rational beings; they are rationalising beings. signature.asc Description: This is a d

Re: Bug#652432: Acknowledgement (ITP: v3c-dcom -- Baby steps to DCOM)

2011-12-19 Thread Ben Hutchings
Take your arguments about Microsoft vs Linux to comp.os.linux.advocacy, please. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel

Re: RTP

2011-12-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
the future. This is not the proper way to file a Request For Package. Start by running reportbug (or reportbug-ng) and choose the 'wnpp' package. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-26 Thread Ben Hutchings
fa000) libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xf73a) libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 (0xf739c000) libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0xf7388000) libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libm.so.6 (0xf7362000)

Re: iw: priority should be "optional"

2011-12-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
ty of iw to optional to > match. [...] I see that this change is pending. However, I would go further and suggest that iw should be standard, as should crda and ethtool. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers. - Leonard Brandwein signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [pkg-wpa-devel] Bug#591102: iw: priority should be "optional"

2011-12-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 15:16 +0100, Stefan Lippers-Hollmann wrote: > Hi > > On Friday 30 December 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 16:56 -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > > > Package: iw > > > Version: 0.9.19-1 > > > Severity:

Re: iw: priority should be "optional"

2011-12-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 06:56 -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 16:56 -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > > > Package: iw > > > Version: 0.9.19-1 > > > Severity: important > > > Justification: policy §2.5 > >

Re: debian-devel-digest Digest V2012 #2

2012-01-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
in Debian then write to the debian-kernel (Linux), debian-bsd or debian-hurd list. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings All the simple programs have been written, and all the good names taken. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [Long] UEFI support

2012-01-06 Thread Ben Hutchings
re involved (installer, boot loaders, kernels). But release goals are usually defined for issues that involve a large number of packages, which is not the case for UEFI support. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: [Long] UEFI support

2012-01-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
to support free operating systems and user choice: http://lwn.net/Articles/464819/ Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian

Re: [Long] UEFI support

2012-01-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
B as part of their rootkit to insert > malware under windows, and give Microsoft a nice headline about us lot > of pinko-commies being the cause of their latest security problems. [...] Exactly. Indeed, I have heard that some Windows rootkits al

Re: Switching /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts and removing /lib/init/rw

2012-01-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
ta transition. Since drives that might formerly > have been hd? are now sd?, there was a debconf question to ask to > convert them all into UUIDs. Then it doesn't matter which driver (ide > or libata or something else entirely) is being used. ...or whether you have a USB storage d

Re: Question about linux kernel modules

2012-01-27 Thread Ben Hutchings
ble-proposed-updates) requesting a backport of this driver. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Horngren's Observation: Among economists, the real world is often a special case. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-01-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 20:57 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > On dim., 2012-01-29 at 18:22 +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > Featuresets > > --- > > > > The only featureset provided will be 'rt' (realtime), currently built > > for amd64 only. I

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-01-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2012-01-30 at 11:05 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > (adding few CC:s to keep track on the bug) > > On dim., 2012-01-29 at 21:26 +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 20:57 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > > > On dim., 2012-01-29 at 18:22 +0

Re: lack of replacement for linux-vserver

2012-01-31 Thread Ben Hutchings
interested developers maintain an APT repository of kernel packages for Debian using whichever version the OpenVZ project is prepared to support. Maybe the Linux-VServer project can do that too. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: Bug#605090: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-01 Thread Ben Hutchings
need to investigate and try > that a bit. > > Ben, what would kernel team think of that? I don't speak for the whole team, but I don't see that it solves any problem. You would have to Build-Depend on exact versions of linux-source, so that you know your external patches will ap

Re: Bug#605090: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-01 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 06:41:43PM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > On mer., 2012-02-01 at 14:32 +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 10:51 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > > > On mer., 2012-02-01 at 10:34 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > > On W

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
from 2.6.32.y. Also, many of the improvements to container support in mainline Linux are coming from OpenVZ developers. It's just taking a long time to implement that functionality in a way that's acceptable in mainline. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Lowery's Law: If it

Re: Bug#605090: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
rking on user-space hardening. > Well IMHO, at best, one should never need to rund anything from outside > the Debian archives ;) Wishing it so doesn't make it practically possible. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: severity for bugs in ignoring TMP/TMPDIR?

2012-02-06 Thread Ben Hutchings
And how about having /tmp in tmpfs, so that it is limited to a fraction of the size of memory? No application should assume that it can store working files of arbitrary size in /tmp. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-07 Thread Ben Hutchings
n squeeze is lack of the memory resource controller in official packages.) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debia

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-07 Thread Ben Hutchings
ns aside), where it does not > match then dpkg cannot deem that the files conflict without creating a > checksum based on the decompressed content of the two files. [...] But it's worse than this: even if dpkg decompresses before comparing, debsums won't (and mustn't, f

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2012-02-08 at 07:57 +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 10:49:23PM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > But it's worse than this: even if dpkg decompresses before comparing, > > debsums won't (and mustn't, for backward compatibility). So it'

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
at source package build time so it's not binNMU-safe now. But this is fixable so long as dpkg-parsechangelog makes binNMUs recognisable.) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Alb

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
-upgrade, or upgrading the > package manager before the dist-upgrade. There is a similar issue with linux-image-*-amd64, which I would definitely like to remove from i386 as soon as possible. We have metapackages to help with this already, but we still need users to add amd64 as a foreign archit

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 13:00 +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * Ben Hutchings [120209 20:45]: > > There is a similar issue with linux-image-*-amd64, which I would > > definitely like to remove from i386 as soon as possible. We have > > metapackages to help with this alrea

Re: severity for bugs in ignoring TMP/TMPDIR?

2012-02-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
ble for overwriting other files if the attacker can try repeatedly. (Note we may yet patch the kernel to stop most such attacks.) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance. - Robert Coveyou signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-11 Thread Ben Hutchings
. It is kind of a prerequisite. By the same argument you can't ever enable any foreign architecture. This is nonsense. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance. - Robert Coveyou signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: severity for bugs in ignoring TMP/TMPDIR?

2012-02-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
.] A similar change has been implemented <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Roadmap/KernelHardening#Symlink_Protection> and will probably be included in wheezy. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers. - Leonard Brandwein signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: severity for bugs in ignoring TMP/TMPDIR?

2012-02-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
/Articles/393012/ > > Of course LSMs don't yet stack so it cannot be combined with SELinux etc. YAMA just does ptrace restriction at the moment. Symlink restrictions will be done in the security core. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers. - Leonard Brandwein signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 04:30:47PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Ben Hutchings writes: > > > On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 17:33 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> Bastian Blank writes: > >> > >> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 a

Re: Probable multiarch related problem in finding header file posix_types_32.h

2012-02-14 Thread Ben Hutchings
nclude > directory triggered the problem; ultimately though I think this is a bug in > linux-libc-dev for using #include "" here. "wontfix" Ben. > In any case it can usually be worked around by not using -I-. > > Cf. bug #637419. -- Ben Hutchings We get

Re: Probable multiarch related problem in finding header file posix_types_32.h

2012-02-14 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:32:16PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hi Ben, > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 06:19:40PM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > > Where we've run across similar problems with posix_types.h in the recent > > > past, it has indeed been due

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 04:32 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Ben Hutchings writes: [..] > > Since dpkg will prefer to install packages from the native > > architecture, I don't see any problem here. I suppose I'm biased by > > having actually tested this. >

Re: Help (voodoo, really) needed [Re: failed i386 build of iceweasel 11.0~b1-2]

2012-02-17 Thread Ben Hutchings
nge; at least I don't know of a C architecture ABI where replacing a void return type with int would be incompatible. Getting back to OSS, it should not be built for Linux at all as Linux already has perfectly good sound drivers. There is in fact a release goal to stop using /dev/dsp on Linux. ALS

Re: Help (voodoo, really) needed [Re: failed i386 build of iceweasel 11.0~b1-2]

2012-02-17 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 07:12:10PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Ben Hutchings, le Fri 17 Feb 2012 18:08:59 +, a écrit : > > Getting back to OSS, it should not be built for Linux at all as Linux > > already has perfectly good sound drivers. > > See the ITP > >

Re: Help (voodoo, really) needed [Re: failed i386 build of iceweasel 11.0~b1-2]

2012-02-17 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 07:41:03PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 06:08:59PM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 07:00:32PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 06:40:28PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > &

Bug#660449: general: The pc freeze suddenly

2012-02-19 Thread Ben Hutchings
umentation/networking/netconsole.txt> or serial console <http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/serial-console.txt> to capture the kernel log on other system. This should provide some information about what went wrong. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Every program is either trivial or

Re: Processed: reassign 660558 to wicd-daemon

2012-02-19 Thread Ben Hutchings
t is, in fact, been patched to > deal > with the bug Ben is referring to. I know, but this could be a regression caused by the fix. > http://patch-tracker.debian.org/patch/series/view/wicd/1.7.1-1/02-workaround_dhclient_bug.patch > > Reassigning back to general. The list of packages u

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-22 Thread Ben Hutchings
nto how well that works in Debian. Ben. > So while shellscripts may have maintenance issues, I don’t think > performance issues are a problem. > > Shade and sweet water! > > Stephan > -- Ben Hutchings If at first you don't succeed, you're doing about average. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-23 Thread Ben Hutchings
nt, 'it works everywhere' isn't really true as there is a constant stream of bugs in init scripts and inherent problems with the lack of real service control in sysvinit. That leaves 'we know the old stuff' (and 'it mostly works on kFreeBSD'). And Marco is attacking

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-23 Thread Ben Hutchings
> stuck if one daemon hangs. I've had problems in the past when one daemon > didn't start up and that prevented other daemons from starting due to the > sequential processing of init scripts. I think our current dependency-based boot system deals with that problem. Login

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-24 Thread Ben Hutchings
stream is interested to merge any of > these hacks. No, Debian developers generally do not have the time to maintain such a fork of an active upstream. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings If at first you don't succeed, you're doing about average. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-24 Thread Ben Hutchings
on many issues, and I don't really believe in the value of copyright assignment. But I also recognise that the FSF is bound by its non-profit status and broad membership in ways that a for-profit company like Canonical is not. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living befo

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-24 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 18:18 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 07:58:21PM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > Also, the only practical way this differs from the situation with > > > software from either the Free Software Foundation or the Apache > > >

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-26 Thread Ben Hutchings
problem. Half the time on boot autofs fails to get the maps > from NIS. [...] We use autofs and NIS at work, and I found that this was also unreliable on Fedora 16 (using systemd). I would have to restart the autofs service before logging in. A subsequent update seems to have made it reliable again, but I didn't look at how they do this. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Lowery's Law: If it jams, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Bug#661565: ITP: nyancat -- Terminal-based Pop Tart Cat animation

2012-02-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
classic Nyan Cat animation. Nyancat can also be run as a standalone > >program > >in a local terminal if telnet functionality is not required. > > And what value does this bring to Debian? Are such amusements only permitted as Easter eggs now? (apt-get moo?) Ben. -- Ben H

Re: Bug#661565: ITP: nyancat -- Terminal-based Pop Tart Cat animation

2012-02-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
alification for architectures <http://release.debian.org/wheezy/arch_policy.html> requires building the vast majority of the archive (suggested borderline is 98%). Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
es not have a > guaranteed future. It's somewhat controversial even amongst kernel > hackers. Relying on it is, to put it mildly, short-sighted. [...] This is FUD. The Linux kernel developers are very concerned wit

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-02-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 09:58:01PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Ben Hutchings writes: > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 04:51:18PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > >> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 12:17:43AM +0200, Uoti Urpala wrote: > >> > Roger Leigh wrote: > >&

Re: Bug#661591: packages providing ifupdown scripts must have those scripts fixed if needed

2012-02-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
and block the original bug with each of the new bugs. After a month or so you can try to resolve the blocking bugs that are still open. Hopefully that doesn't leave you with too many difficult decisions. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into t

Linux kernel hardening - link restrictions

2012-03-01 Thread Ben Hutchings
7;at' package is installed, you should either: +- Upgrade it to at least version 3.1.13-1 (or a backport of that) +or: +- Set sysctl fs.protected_hardlinks=0 (see /etc/sysctl.conf) + + -- Ben Hutchings Fri, 02 Mar 2012 04:58:24 + + linux-latest-2.6 (26) unstable; urgency=low *

Re: Linux kernel hardening - link restrictions

2012-03-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 07:43 +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 05:11:58AM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > + * The new kernel version includes security restrictions on links, which > > +are enabled by default. These are specified in > > +Documenta

Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-04 Thread Ben Hutchings
t these are the responsiblity of the developer that established the repository. Maybe also require redirecting bug reports, if the repository isn't maintained by or which the blessing of the official package maintainer. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Every program is either trivial or else contains at least one bug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

2012-03-06 Thread Ben Hutchings
r some use cases, such as ZFS, jails, and more. [...] ZFS is interesting, yes. Linux device-mapper provides many of the features but I recognise there can be a benefit from integrating these into the filesystem iself. Any year now, btrfs may be mature enough to use... Do jails still provide featu

Re: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-06 Thread Ben Hutchings
decrypted files to use and copy as they wish. So this is not copy protection or access control, and password cracking therefore does not seem to be forbidden by those laws. (But there may be other laws not related to copyright that do forbid such tools.) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Quantity is no

Re: Linux kernel hardening - link restrictions

2012-03-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 12:19 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > Hi, > > On 2012-03-02 05:11:58 +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > I'm therefore intending to warn about this with the following NEWS > > entry in the linux-image metapackages: > > &g

Re: A few observations about systemd

2012-03-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
it, I will reconsider, if I will stay in > Debian, because Debian is *not* a Linux-only distribution. [...] A recent change that can still be corrected. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Life would be so much easier if we could look at the source code. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

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