On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 11:04:06AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > ifupdown2 is like ifupdown, just rewritten in python.
> Yes, that's the problem: there was a consensus that it is not an
> appropriate dependency for the base system.
ah! thanks for pointing this out.
> ifupdown2 will still be aro
Hi!
On 22.09.24 15:58, Ansgar 🙀 wrote:
On Fri, 2024-09-20 at 13:12 +0200, Lukas Märdian wrote:
I've repeated the reasons why I think a hybrid stack using Netplan is a
feasible solution many times in previous threads, therefore I'd like to refer
to a list of frequently asked questions, instead o
* Holger Levsen [240923 12:05]:
> > ifupdown2 will still be around for anybody who wants to install it.
>
> sure.
Except that right now it has an open r-c bug since June 25, and is
missing from testing since August 6th.
If people want to continue having it, somebody who wants to work on
it need
* Pierre-Elliott Bécue [240923 11:34]:
> Lukas Märdian wrote on 20/09/2024 at 13:12:36+0200:
> > # Why
> > The ifupdown package is a Debian only solution that is becoming a
> > maintenance
> > burden. We've had plenty of discussions over the years and consensus is
> > that we
> > want to get ri
On 22.09.24 23:59, Josh Triplett wrote:
On Sun, Sep 22, 2024 at 10:30:12PM +0200, Andrea Pappacoda wrote:
On Sun Sep 22, 2024 at 8:06 PM CEST, Josh Triplett wrote:
There's one other desirable feature that would make this a robust
solution: having NetworkManager do something to handle or ignore
* Holger Levsen [240923 10:06]:
> I miss ifupdown2 in this discussion.
In the older thread, it was pointed out that ifupdown2 might be
currently in a bad place maintenance-wise;
https://github.com/CumulusNetworks/ifupdown2/pulse/monthly and
https://github.com/CumulusNetworks/ifupdown2/graphs/cont
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 10:14:39AM +0200, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
> * Holger Levsen [240923 10:06]:
> > I miss ifupdown2 in this discussion.
> In the older thread, it was pointed out that ifupdown2 might be
> currently in a bad place maintenance-wise;
> https://github.com/CumulusNetworks/ifupdow
Hi Sirius,
Thanks for taking ifupdown-ng for a spin.
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 08:22:51AM +0200, Sirius wrote:
> > If you want no belss or whistles, then install neither of ifupdown,
> > network-manager nor systemd-networkd, and operate your network using ip
> > and (unless you also consider that a
On 23.09.24 11:04, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Sep 23, Holger Levsen wrote:
ifupdown2 is like ifupdown, just rewritten in python.
Yes, that's the problem: there was a consensus that it is not an
appropriate dependency for the base system.
ifupdown2 will still be around for anybody who wants to ins
Lukas Märdian writes:
> On 23.09.24 12:27, Ansgar 🙀 wrote:
>> On Mon, 2024-09-23 at 12:22 +0200, Lukas Märdian wrote:
>>> On 22.09.24 15:58, Ansgar 🙀 wrote:
On Fri, 2024-09-20 at 13:12 +0200, Lukas Märdian wrote:
>>> The benefit that Netplan would provide in such cases is that
>>> debian-in
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 12:25:15PM +0200, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
> * Pierre-Elliott Bécue [240923 11:34]:
> > I like ifupdown. It's simple and just works.
>
> I find this quite funny, given a recent discussion about IPv6 dad
> issues with ifupdown on #debian-admin.
The "discussion" was about
Lukas Märdian writes:
> On 23.09.24 12:27, Ansgar 🙀 wrote:
>
>> So on desktop installations including NetworkManager, netplan will
>> be
>> configured to do nothing? Why install netplan at all on desktop systems
>> then?
>
> Because it allows to add configuration in a way that is common with serve
Le lundi, 23 septembre 2024, 13.04:41 h CEST Lukas Märdian a écrit :
> On 22.09.24 12:22, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
> > * Lukas Märdian [240920 13:13]:
> >> I've repeated the reasons why I think a hybrid stack using Netplan is a
> >> feasible solution many times in previous threads, therefore I'd
On Sep 23, Holger Levsen wrote:
> ifupdown2 is like ifupdown, just rewritten in python.
Yes, that's the problem: there was a consensus that it is not an
appropriate dependency for the base system.
ifupdown2 will still be around for anybody who wants to install it.
--
ciao,
Marco
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Hi,
On Mon, 2024-09-23 at 12:22 +0200, Lukas Märdian wrote:
> On 22.09.24 15:58, Ansgar 🙀 wrote:
> > On Fri, 2024-09-20 at 13:12 +0200, Lukas Märdian wrote:
> > > I've repeated the reasons why I think a hybrid stack using Netplan is a
> > > feasible solution many times in previous threads, therefo
On 22.09.24 12:22, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
* Lukas Märdian [240920 13:13]:
I've repeated the reasons why I think a hybrid stack using Netplan is a
feasible solution many times in previous threads, therefore I'd like to refer
to a list of frequently asked questions, instead of spreading more r
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On 23.09.24 13:39, Daniel Gröber wrote:
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 12:25:15PM +0200, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
* Pierre-Elliott Bécue [240923 11:34]:
I like ifupdown. It's simple and just works.
I find this quite funny, given a recent discussion about IPv6 dad
issues with ifupdown on #debian-ad
Hi Martin,
On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 06:28:36PM +0300, Martin-Éric Racine wrote:
> la 14. syysk. 2024 klo 15.30 Daniel Gröber (d...@darkboxed.org) kirjoitti:
> > 2) I'm worried about the behavioural change regarding inet/inet6 stanzas
> > outlined in #1065085 with a patch by ktetzlaff pending.
Hi,
On 23.09.2024 ÖS 2:09, Lukas Märdian wrote:
But about working towards unified network configuration.
-- Lukas
So, is it "Let's include it in a dormant state for desktop systems
today, so we can go netplan-only in Trixie+1"?
I personally can't fathom why there's a great push about netpl
On Sep 23, Lukas Märdian wrote:
> As described in the "Proposal" section and first answer of the FAQ, it's all
> about consistency.
>
> There seems to be a tendency for moving towards a hybrid stack, using
> sd-networkd and NetworkManager in different contexts/use-cases. But having
> fragmented
* Lukas Märdian [240923 07:05]:
> As described in the "Proposal" section and first answer of the FAQ, it's all
> about consistency.
>
> There seems to be a tendency for moving towards a hybrid stack, using
> sd-networkd and NetworkManager in different contexts/use-cases. But having
> fragmented w
hi,
I miss ifupdown2 in this discussion.
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Lukas Märdian wrote on 20/09/2024 at 13:12:36+0200:
> # Why
> The ifupdown package is a Debian only solution that is becoming a maintenance
> burden. We've had plenty of discussions over the years and consensus is that
> we
> want to get rid of it.
I like ifupdown. It's simple and just works.
I
On 23.09.24 12:27, Ansgar 🙀 wrote:
On Mon, 2024-09-23 at 12:22 +0200, Lukas Märdian wrote:
On 22.09.24 15:58, Ansgar 🙀 wrote:
On Fri, 2024-09-20 at 13:12 +0200, Lukas Märdian wrote:
I've repeated the reasons why I think a hybrid stack using Netplan is a
feasible solution many times in previous
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 05:48:53PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote:
> > > > I like ifupdown. It's simple and just works.
> > >
> > > I find this quite funny, given a recent discussion about IPv6 dad
> > > issues with ifupdown on #debian-admin.
> >
> > The "discussion" was about ifup@eth0 being in a fai
On 9/23/24 13:04, Lukas Märdian wrote:
> It's sad to see that fellow DDs do not seem to care
It's sad to see that in this and the other thread before, the same weak
arguments in favour of netplan are repeated by you without neither
adressing the valid points raised against it, nor providing an act
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