On 23/01 02:32, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> We're arguing different points, and I fear talking past one another.
Yeah. FWIW the two of us did eventually end up agreeing that including
firmware while giving the chance to opt-out would be a workable
compromise, though. I think we did, at least! :)
There is no one proposing that non-free should be mandatory.
The original topic was whether it should be possible to install Debian
at all, noting that there are situations where this now is so difficult
that it will be percevied as "impossible" by some users.
I believe it is an undisputed fact t
On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 09:01:33PM +, Paul Sutton wrote:
> During install, the installer asks if you have a disk with drivers on for
> this closed hardware, I don't know what it wants at this point.
>
> If we could insert a 2nd usb disk, or anything with the correct drivers on,
> it may help.
Hi,
Bjørn Mork wrote:
> It has been documented in this thread it is possible to install Debian
> on such systems. But the images which allow this without additional
> steps is well hidden. And the procedure supported the default images is
> so complicated that even expert longtime Debian users h
On Sunday, January 24, 2021 7:19:58 AM EST Bjørn Mork wrote:
> What we are left with is users who are offended by the mere existence of
> non-free binaries on a Debian image, and who see this as significantly
> worse than the non-free firmware in their NIC, SSD, EC, CPU etc.
The reason why, say, wi
On 24.01.21 17:08, John Scott wrote:
> Changing the firmware on an EEPROM is far less practical for the user or
> manufacturer (they're on similar footing), and if it's not electronically
> erasable, it's merely an object that can't be practically changed of which
> you'd need to make a new one
Kudos for your very fine summary, Bjørn!
I don't know if the proposal to place non-free things into the Debian
installation image will be accepted. But if it is not, here is another
proposal that would clearly separate the free from the non-free:
The installation image remains 100% free. But at
Le 24/01/2021 à 22:11, Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY a écrit :
> Kudos for your very fine summary, Bjørn!
>
> I don't know if the proposal to place non-free things into the Debian
> installation image will be accepted. But if it is not, here is another
> proposal that would clearly separate the free from
Hi Devops PK Carlisle LLC,
please install the `reportbug` package and then open a terminal and type
`reportbug ibus` and describe the problem there. That will make sure the
problem can be seen and properly tracked by the `ibus` maintainers which
might not be reading this list.
*t
On 20.01.21
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> I personally think the main page could have also have a "Other downloads"
> link to one of the more complete download pages (like /distrib), so
> users not familiar with the wiki can find it one click away.
>
> Maybe I can propose a patch for at least this small link to /distrib
Such link is
Hi again,
Am Sonntag, 24. Januar 2021 schrieb Alexis Murzeau:
> > The installation image remains 100% free. But at some point the
> > installer asks the user if they wish to add another media containing
> > software. Users would then be able to put another CD or USB key (for
> > example) conta
On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 11:08:56 -0500, John Scott
wrote:
>1. Unlike with SSD firmware, there are wireless cards that use libre firmware
>and some are still manufactured and quite easy to attain. The goalpost for
>free software moves with what has been achieved.
>One used to have to accept using a p
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