Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-18 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Timo Lindfors wrote: > > On Sun, 17 Jan 2021, Marc Haber wrote: > > Absolutely. The Installation Experience is one of the first contacts > > with the distribution for most people¹, and since we all know that the > > Yep. I think using the live environment for installation could be more > u

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-18 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 09:57:31AM +0100, Holger Wansing wrote: > Hi, > > Timo Lindfors wrote: > > > > On Sun, 17 Jan 2021, Marc Haber wrote: > > > Absolutely. The Installation Experience is one of the first contacts > > > with the distribution for most people¹, and since we all know that the >

Re: About lintian

2021-01-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 17/01/21 at 22:00 +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: > On the infrastructure side, you mentioned on #debian-qa that in your > opinion, lintian is best run in a CI pipeline instead of on the > lintian.d.o service. While this is certainly true, do you plan to keep > the functionality on your rewo

Re: Making Debian available - patch for webwml

2021-01-18 Thread Holger Wansing
[ Now added debian-boot to CC, since a page included in the attached patch is ] [ under their responsibility ] Holger Wansing wrote: > [ Adding debian-www to the loop ] > > Hi, > > Marc Haber wrote: > > On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 01:53:24 +, Paul Wise wrote: > > >On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 11:52

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-18 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 at 09:39:05 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > The pointers to the Debian image on the Debian front page (and the discussion > about standard/installer with firmware) relate to the non-live Debian > installer. > > If we want the Calamares image to include firmware - that's a m

Re: About lintian

2021-01-18 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le lundi 18 janvier 2021 à 11:31:35+0100, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > Hi, > > On 17/01/21 at 22:00 +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: > > On the infrastructure side, you mentioned on #debian-qa that in your > > opinion, lintian is best run in a CI pipeline instead of on the > > lintian.d.o service. Whi

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-18 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:38:59 +, Simon McVittie wrote: >On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 at 09:39:05 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> The pointers to the Debian image on the Debian front page (and the >> discussion >> about standard/installer with firmware) relate to the non-live Debian >> installer. >

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-18 Thread Timo Lindfors
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021, Marc Haber wrote: My understanding is that the live images are primarily intended for the typical "live system" use-case descended from things like Knoppix (boot machine from USB stick or optical media; use machine with OS from RAM, USB stick or optical media; shut down machi

Re: About lintian

2021-01-18 Thread Antonio Terceiro
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 02:00:22PM +0100, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > Le lundi 18 janvier 2021 à 11:31:35+0100, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > On 17/01/21 at 22:00 +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: > > > On the infrastructure side, you mentioned on #debian-qa that in your > > > opinion, l

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-18 Thread Steve McIntyre
Marc Haber wrote: > >I was not aware of that feature. It is good to have that, but I would >be embarrassed to seriously suggest this way because we can't manage >to get WLAN working in the installer for political reasons. Are we seriously just going to describe our Free Software goals as "politica

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-18 Thread Steve McIntyre
[ Catching up on this thread a little late... ] Ansgar wrote: >On Fri, 2021-01-15 at 15:30 +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: >> On 2021-01-15 12:11:06 +0100 (+0100), Emanuele Rocca wrote: >> [...] >> > So the current situation is that we make an active effort to >> > produce two different types of inst

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-18 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 04:35:01PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >I was not aware of that feature. It is good to have that, but I would > >be embarrassed to seriously suggest this way because we can't manage > >to get WLAN working in the installer for political reasons. > > Are we seriously just

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-18 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2021-01-18 16:35:01 + (+), Steve McIntyre wrote: > Marc Haber wrote: > > > >I was not aware of that feature. It is good to have that, but I would > >be embarrassed to seriously suggest this way because we can't manage > >to get WLAN working in the installer for political reasons. > > Ar

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-18 Thread Stefano Rivera
Hi Andrey (2021.01.17_13:16:04_+) > On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 11:33:28AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > > My workaround is to plug in a network cable for installation. But > > alas, I have up to now been able to avoid hardware without built-in > > Ethernet. I guess that many USB Ethernet interfaces w

Firmware awareness Was: Making Debian available

2021-01-18 Thread Geert Stappers
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 04:35:01PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Marc Haber wrote: > > > >I was not aware of that feature. It is good to have that, but I would > >be embarrassed to seriously suggest this way because we can't manage > >to get WLAN working in the installer for political reasons. >

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-18 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:35:01 +, Steve McIntyre wrote: >Marc Haber wrote: >>I was not aware of that feature. It is good to have that, but I would >>be embarrassed to seriously suggest this way because we can't manage >>to get WLAN working in the installer for political reasons. > >Are we seriou

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-18 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:05:09 +0200 (EET), Timo Lindfors wrote: >On Mon, 18 Jan 2021, Marc Haber wrote: >> I remember installing Debian once from a live image because the only >> network I had available was using 802.1x. Must have been a rather >> painless experience, since I don't remember much tr

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-18 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:29:52 +, Steve McIntyre wrote: >There's a major difference here - do we want Debian's *official* media >to include non-free stuff? We've had this discussion a few times, >including in person back at DC15 at least. Back then, the overwhelming >response was *no*. We can ch

Re: Making Debian available - patch for webwml

2021-01-18 Thread Thomas Lange
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:37:37 +0100, Holger Wansing > said: >> debian-www team: what do you think about adding some more hint/warning >> banners pointing to firmware-including installation images? I really like to have a hint, but warning is a too negative word. Having those non

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-18 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 18, Marc Haber wrote: > Imagine the catastrophal message we're sending by "here is our > official image, but that one is unlikely to work on your laptop, > better use this here." Yes, it would be bad marketing. But at least we could show users something that works, so that's still better

Bug#980416: ITP: jquery-i18n-properties -- lightweight jQuery internationalization plugin

2021-01-18 Thread Mike Gabriel
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mike Gabriel X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-edu-pkg-t...@lists.alioth.debian.org * Package name: jquery-i18n-properties Version : 1.2.7 Upstream Author : Adrian Fish * URL : https://github.com/jquery-i18n-

Bug#980430: ITP: r-cran-nanotime -- nanosecond resolution date and time calculations for R

2021-01-18 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Package: wnpp Owner: Dirk Eddelbuettel Severity: wishlist * Package name: r-cran-nanotime Version : 0.3.2 Upstream Author : Dirk Eddelbuettel and Leonardo Silvestri * URL or Web page : https://github.com/eddelbuettel/nanotime * License : GPL-2+ Description : nanose

Bug#980432: ITP: golang-github-jhump-protoreflect -- Reflection (Rich Descriptors) for Go Protocol Buffers

2021-01-18 Thread Arnaud Rebillout
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Arnaud Rebillout * Package name: golang-github-jhump-protoreflect Version : 1.8.1-1 Upstream Author : Joshua Humphries * URL : https://github.com/jhump/protoreflect * License : Apache-2.0 Programming Lang: Go Descript

Bug#980433: ITP: buf --

2021-01-18 Thread Arnaud Rebillout
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Arnaud Rebillout * Package name: buf Version : 0.33.0-1 Upstream Author : Buf Technologies, Inc. * URL : https://github.com/bufbuild/buf * License : Apache-2.0 Programming Lang: Go Description : Better way to work

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 6:27 PM Marc Haber wrote: > Imagine the catastrophal message we're sending by "here is our > official image, but that one is unlikely to work on your laptop, > better use this here." As this thread shows the current situation wrt hardware and software freedom is pretty cat

Re: Re: Updating dpkg-buildflags to enable reproducible=+fixfilepath by default

2021-01-18 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Mon, 2021-01-11 at 00:48:42 +1100, Stuart Prescott wrote: > Sune Stolborg Vuorela wrote: > > Can you provide some kind of hook in the environment so we at least can work > > around it in the users, so that the internal functions (where the output of > > __FILE__ is forwarded to) can glue e.

Bug#980440: ITP: dde-control-center -- The control panel of Deepin Desktop Environment

2021-01-18 Thread stan clay
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: clay stan X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: dde-control-center Version : 5.3.0.82 Upstream Author : linuxdeepin * URL : https://github.com/linuxdeepin/dde-control-center License : GPL-3+ Prog