Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-10 Thread Yao Wei
On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 08:24:03AM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: > While I still strongly agree with you on this one (even though I think all > major ISPs here are scumbags, especially the incumbent), I still strongly > think we should not have this debate here, and we should turn this around > the usu

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-10 Thread Ondřej Surý
> On 10 Sep 2019, at 09:38, Yao Wei wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 08:24:03AM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: >> While I still strongly agree with you on this one (even though I think all >> major ISPs here are scumbags, especially the incumbent), I still strongly >> think we should not have this d

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: When to Salsa

2019-09-10 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Scott" == Scott Kitterman writes: Scott> I don't think your alleged works poorly for using your own Scott> namespace are real problems. I would be a lot happier if your message was phrased in terms of discussing which trade off you prefer. It's clear from past discussion that peo

Bug#939936: ITP: xtl -- basic tools (containers, algorithms) used for xtensor and xeus

2019-09-10 Thread Vincent Bernat
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Vincent Bernat -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 * Package name: xtl Version : 0.6.5 Upstream Author : QuantStack * URL : https://github.com/QuantStack/xtl * License : BSD Programming Lang: C++ Descript

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: When to Salsa

2019-09-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Russ Allbery (2019-09-10 03:50:47) > I think using the debian namespace is the right default, particularly > when we view it through the lens of what's best for the project. > > Think of it this way: we have a new Debian package maintained by > someone who's maybe new to the project. Wh

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: When to Salsa

2019-09-10 Thread David Bremner
Russ Allbery writes: > 3. Anyone who comes from a tech company / Silicon Valley development >environment is probably going to already be used to this style of >collective ownership (along with politeness conventions about not >messing with other people's stuff unless you have talked t

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: When to Salsa

2019-09-10 Thread Scott Kitterman
On September 10, 2019 10:12:39 AM UTC, Sam Hartman wrote: >> "Scott" == Scott Kitterman writes: > > >Scott> I don't think your alleged works poorly for using your own >Scott> namespace are real problems. > >I would be a lot happier if your message was phrased in terms of >discussin

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: When to Salsa

2019-09-10 Thread Enrico Zini
On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 08:13:15AM -0300, David Bremner wrote: > I'm also not sure if this is a completely rational reaction, but I'm not > currently very comfortable with any DD being able to make global changes > to thousands of git repos. I think we haven't yet developed any kind of > social co

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: When to Salsa

2019-09-10 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes ("Git Packaging Round 2: When to Salsa"): > Discussion Comments > --- ... > I realize that not everyone wants all developers to have push access to > their packages. If you have a firm idea about that, then this > recommendation is not for you. I also realize th

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: When to Salsa

2019-09-10 Thread Sam Hartman
> "David" == David Bremner writes: l reaction, David> but I'm not currently very comfortable with any DD being able David> to make global changes to thousands of git repos. I think we David> haven't yet developed any kind of social conventions or rules David> about when that i

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 09, Adam Borowski wrote: > With DoH: > * the target server knows about you (duh!) > * the ISP can read the destination of every connection > [reading the IP header, reading SNI header] > * the ISP can block such connections > [blocking actual connection] Well, no. They cannot without s

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-10 Thread Julien Cristau
On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 08:24:03 +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: > > On 9 Sep 2019, at 15:31, Bjørn Mork wrote: > > > > I for one, do trust my ISPs a lot more than I trust Cloudflare or > > Google, simply based on the jurisdiction. > > While I still strongly agree with you on this one (even though I

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2019-09-10 19:56:48 +0200 (+0200), Julien Cristau wrote: [...] > How is this worse than what we're already doing by default, namely > sending the same data to whoever happens to be on the network, in > addition to whoever happened to be listed in an unauthenticated > dhcp response? (Which, if yo

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: When to Salsa

2019-09-10 Thread David Bremner
Ian Jackson writes: > Sam Hartman writes ("Git Packaging Round 2: When to Salsa"): >> Discussion Comments >> --- > ... >> I realize that not everyone wants all developers to have push access to >> their packages. If you have a firm idea about that, then this >> recommendation is

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-10 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On September 8, 2019 10:38:03 PM UTC, Adam Borowski wrote: >DoH doesn't stop ISP-based spying nor censorship. Firefox, I believe, already supports encrypted SNI (in nightly at least). Cloudflare does too. So fully deployed, your ISP can only tell that you're connecting to Cloudflare, Clo

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-10 Thread Ingo Jürgensmann
Am 10.09.2019 um 07:50 schrieb Florian Lohoff : > On Mon, Sep 09, 2019 at 03:31:37PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: >> I for one, do trust my ISPs a lot more than I trust Cloudflare or >> Google, simply based on the jurisdiction. > There are tons of setups which are fine tuned for latency because they >