On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 11:33:42 +, Bill Allombert
wrote:
>Yesterday I received the same popcon ID 2600 times, and 4700 differents ID
>were received
>two times and 22000 ID were received exactly once.
>
>I understand the need for totally identical systems, but then probably
>it does not make sense
On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 14:01:16 -0400, Sam Hartman
wrote:
>> "Bill" == Bill Allombert writes:
>
>Bill> This is potentially an excellent idea!
>
>Bill> Does not /etc/machine-id suffer of exactly the same issue as
>Bill> /etc/popularity-contest.conf ?
>
>A lot more procedures for cloni
On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 16:34:18 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote:
>So it seems to me that there are the following options for systemd
>users:
>
>A. Continue to use run-parts.
>
> Disadvantages: Bundles the output together.
> Doesn't provide individual status.
>
> Advantages: No work needed.
>
>B. Run ea
On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 22:29:41 +0200, Philipp Kern
wrote:
>With a systemd timer you can declare conflicts as well as a
>lineralization if so needed.
How would that be configured? Should all timers generated from
cron.fooly be grouped together (in a target?) and conflict with that
very target?
>I
On Wed, 2019-08-07 at 09:34 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> I am using Debian for two decades now, and I realized that necessity
> two days ago.
Ditto - except for me it was a few seconds ago.
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Simon McVittie writes ("Re: do packages depend on lexical order or
{daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?"):
> Trying to make this point more clearly because you seem to be confusing
> systemd with systemd-cron:
You are completely right. I was not aware that systemd-cron was not
part of systemd.
> s
On 2019-08-07 at 04:26, Russell Stuart wrote:
> On Wed, 2019-08-07 at 09:34 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>
>> I am using Debian for two decades now, and I realized that
>> necessity two days ago.
>
> Ditto - except for me it was a few seconds ago.
In my case, it was when I read this thread last nig
Marc Haber writes ("Re: do packages depend on lexical order or
{daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?"):
> We have already thrown sysvinit away.
No, we have not.
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/sysvinit
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=sysvinit#_2_4_5
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/in
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Hi Mark,
Thanks for notifying me of this discussion at
https://github.com/systemd-cron/systemd-cron/issues/47
I have been trough some issues recently (apt-cacher-ng that spew
errors after the release)
and I had to dig trough the cron-daily unit journal to locate the problem
and I untersand this i
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On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 09:31:34AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 11:33:42 +, Bill Allombert
wrote:
Yesterday I received the same popcon ID 2600 times, and 4700 differents ID were
received
two times and 22000 ID were received exactly once.
I understand the need for totally id
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Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer writes ("Re: Bits from the Release Team:
ride like the wind, Bullseye!"):
> No, what I have been perceiving (and pretty please note that this is my
> personal "feeling") is that maintainers, specially library maintainers, have
> even more and more "stuff to care
Michael Stone writes ("Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID"):
> I guess the question is what is the point of the popcon statistics.
> Insofar as they're used to determine defaults, skewing them toward
> custom images (which likely do not care about defaults) is probably a
> mistake.
popcon is a
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* The Wanderer [190807 09:28]:
> Cloning isn't the only example of a case where some machine-specific
> configuration detail may need to be updated, without that being obvious
> in advance.
>
> I've begun to wonder whether it might be worth the overhead to set up
> some type of mechanism to let p
On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 04:02:14PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
Michael Stone writes ("Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID"):
I guess the question is what is the point of the popcon statistics.
Insofar as they're used to determine defaults, skewing them toward
custom images (which likely do not car
Michael Stone writes:
> I don't think popcon is a good reason to pause if there are valid
> concerns suggesting removal is a good thing, for the exact reason that
> it's skewed to propagating existing practice. I'm not sure there's any
> really good use for popcon, but I'll continue to believe th
The Wanderer writes:
> This isn't the first time I've discovered that some aspect of a Debian
> system would actually need to be cleared and re-generated when that
> system is cloned, well after the point where it would have been easy for
> me to address that need. (Fortunately, although I've mov
On 2019-08-07 10:19:00 +0200 (+0200), Marc Haber wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 22:29:41 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote:
[...]
> > I'd still expect a Cloud/Compute provider to offer default
> > images in any case that could be preconfigured appropriately.
>
> I am one of those customers who almost never
On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 14:44:01 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote:
>Marc Haber writes ("Re: do packages depend on lexical order or
>{daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?"):
>> We have already thrown sysvinit away.
>
>No, we have not.
We have given up on so many ideas that sysvinit has come with that it
doesn't m
On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 07:00:36PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 14:44:01 +0100, Ian Jackson
> wrote:
> >Marc Haber writes ("Re: do packages depend on lexical order or
> >{daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?"):
> >> We have already thrown sysvinit away.
> >
> >No, we have not.
>
> W
On 2019-08-07 18:51, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
On 2019-08-07 10:19:00 +0200 (+0200), Marc Haber wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 22:29:41 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote:
[...]
> I'd still expect a Cloud/Compute provider to offer default
> images in any case that could be preconfigured appropriately.
I am on
On 07.08.19 19:00, Marc Haber wrote:
> Marc, who is trying to have neutral view on systemd and has managed to
> be seen as a fanboi by systemd haters and as a hater by the systemd
> community, and now fully expects the CoC to be used to be silenced
Marc, i don't hope so - you are not alone. Fo
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On Mi, 07 aug 19, 09:28:12, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> I've begun to wonder whether it might be worth the overhead to set up
> some type of mechanism to let packages which define such
> machine-specific IDs A: declare the fact, in a central location which
Do you mean /etc? :)
> the sysadmin of a ma
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 4:59 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> 1. Delete the contents of /etc (all of it)
> 2. If a package doesn't find its "stuff" in /etc it regenerates it from
> defaults.
There is still way too much stuff that defaults to installing
important files in /etc (default config settings, i
On 2019-08-07 at 16:59, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 07 aug 19, 09:28:12, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> I've begun to wonder whether it might be worth the overhead to set up
>> some type of mechanism to let packages which define such
>> machine-specific IDs A: declare the fact, in a central location
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