Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 10:11:41PM +0100, Paride Legovini wrote: > Michael Stone wrote on 07/03/2019: > > On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 09:02:23PM +0100, Holger Wansing wrote: > >>> I'm actually wondering if this is a good idea.. > >>> > >>> There are lot of other packages installing cronjobs and people,

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On Thu, 07 Mar 2019 at 17:07:18 -0400, David Bremner wrote: > Holger Wansing writes: > > Are there still many packages, that don't rely on systemd timer units? > > Presumably packages that work without systemd, but still need to > periodic activity? Default installations of Debian boot with syst

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

Hello Adrian, Adrian Bunk wrote on 08/03/2019: > On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 10:11:41PM +0100, Paride Legovini wrote: >> Michael Stone wrote on 07/03/2019: >>> On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 09:02:23PM +0100, Holger Wansing wrote: > I'm actually wondering if this is a good idea.. > > There are lo

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 15:06:16 -0500, Michael Stone wrote: >On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 09:02:23PM +0100, Holger Wansing wrote: >>> I'm actually wondering if this is a good idea.. >>> >>> There are lot of other packages installing cronjobs and people, I would >>> assume, expect that they will run. >>> >>

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 09:47:34AM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Thu, 07 Mar 2019 at 17:07:18 -0400, David Bremner wrote: > > Holger Wansing writes: > > > Are there still many packages, that don't rely on systemd timer units? > > > > Presumably packages that work without systemd, but still ne

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Support status for isolation-machine feature from Debian Infra?

Hi folks, As we know the Debian CI Infrastructure, which runs autopkgtest upon relevant package updates to help us improve distribution quality. However, it still doesn't support the isolation-machine feature, which associates to tests that require interaction with the kernel, such as kernel modul

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 11:22:36AM +0100, Paride Legovini wrote: > Hello Adrian, Hi Paride, > Adrian Bunk wrote on 08/03/2019: > > On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 10:11:41PM +0100, Paride Legovini wrote: >... > >> Having a useless service running is itself a downside; I second the > >> removal. > > > >

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

> On Fri, 08 Mar 2019 at 10:24:28 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > The output of "ls /etc/cron.daily" is not empty for me. > > That doesn't *necessarily* mean you need anacron, or even cron. Many > cron jobs now have a corresponding systemd timer; if you are running > systemd, the cron job starts, de

Re: Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

Simon McVittie wrote: In a more opinionated distribution the solution would have been "require systemd, rely on systemd timers, delete cron jobs, move on", but Debian still supports non-systemd init as a non-default installation, and anacron/cron don't have a built-in way to skip particular cron

Re: Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 02:16:13PM +0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > Simon McVittie wrote: > > > In a more opinionated distribution the solution would have been "require > > systemd, rely on systemd timers, delete cron jobs, move on", but Debian > > still supports non-systemd init as a non-defaul

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

> Shouldn't that be the other way around? Having .timer but not a cronjob is > a nasty bug, having a cronjob but not .timer is fine (at least unless you > have no cron implementation at all). +1! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Bug#924030: ITP: pulseaudio-qt -- Qt framework C++ bindings development files for the pulseaudio sound system.

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Scarlett Moore * Package name: pulseaudio-qt Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : David Rosca * URL : https://anongit.kde.org/pulseaudio-qt * License : LGPL-2.1 or LGPL-3 Programming Lang: C++ Description : Qt frame

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 01:46:59PM +, Daniel Reichelt wrote: > > Shouldn't that be the other way around? Having .timer but not a cronjob is > > a nasty bug, having a cronjob but not .timer is fine (at least unless you > > have no cron implementation at all). > +1! /me yawns. init systemd disc

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

> And surely we support other, strange and not so strange, choices, > sometimes more and sometimes less, but yawn. And yet Debian claims to support - pardon - offer init systems other than systemd for usage. Either: make a clean cut, kick out everything that has been obsoleted™ by pötterd, there

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 14:48, Holger Levsen wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 01:46:59PM +, Daniel Reichelt wrote: > > > Shouldn't that be the other way around? Having .timer but not a cronjob > > > is > > > a nasty bug, having a cronjob but not .timer is fine (at least unless you > > > have

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 15:15, Daniel Reichelt wrote: > > > And surely we support other, strange and not so strange, choices, > > sometimes more and sometimes less, but yawn. > > And yet Debian claims to support - pardon - offer init systems other > than systemd for usage. > > > Either: make a clean

Bug#924037: Please add anacron back to task-desktop and task-laptop

Package: task-desktop Version: 3.49 The rationale for this change is IMO not correct. Michael Biebl wrote: | all important cron jobs have a corresponding .timer unit This is not a sufficient condition. Firstly, it is necessary for all cron jobs, not just ones considered `important', to have a

Re: Support status for isolation-machine feature from Debian Infra?

Hi Mo, On 08-03-2019 12:08, Mo Zhou wrote: > I have two questions given the background: > > (1) What is the support status for "isolation-machine" feature? It's on the todo list, it just that we haven't gotten around to actually do it. Unfortunately it is slightly more complicated that running l

Re: Support status for isolation-machine feature from Debian Infra?

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 11:08:54AM +, Mo Zhou wrote: > Hi folks, > > As we know the Debian CI Infrastructure, which runs autopkgtest upon > relevant package updates to help us improve distribution quality. > However, it still doesn't support the isolation-machine feature, which > associates to

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

Simon McVittie writes: > anacron/cron don't have a built-in way to skip particular cron jobs > other than open-coding it in the cron job itself. Maybe we should just fix this? cron is effectively maintained by the distributions anyway; there hasn't been an official upstream release in more than

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 10:22:12AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Simon McVittie writes: > > > anacron/cron don't have a built-in way to skip particular cron jobs > > other than open-coding it in the cron job itself. > > Maybe we should just fix this? cron is effectively maintained by the > distr

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 07:28:11PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > There's a problem with extending the syntax: we have not one but five cron > implementations in the distributions, and all would need to be in sync, Not necessarily. Being in sync isn't required for init scripts. -- WBR, wRAR sign

Bug#924040: ITP: archivebox -- open source self-hosted web archive

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Antoine Beaupre * Package name: archivebox Version : 0.2.4 Upstream Author : Nick Sweeting * URL : https://archivebox.io/ * License : MIT/Expat? Programming Lang: Python Description : open source self-hosted web a

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 10:22:12AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Simon McVittie writes: > > > anacron/cron don't have a built-in way to skip particular cron jobs > > other than open-coding it in the cron job itself. > > Maybe we should just fix this? cron is effectively maintained by the > distr

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

]] Adrian Bunk > Something will break (like in the mlocate case), and people might only > start noticing when they are doing fresh installs of buster after the > release. Which mlocate case is this? -- Tollef Fog Heen, mlocate maintainer UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its f

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

(Speaking as one of the cron maintainers) On 08.03.19 19:28, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 10:22:12AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >> cron is effectively maintained by the distributions anyway; there >> hasn't been an official upstream release in more than twenty years. >> This seem

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 08:01:35PM +0100, Christian Kastner wrote: I intended to post a transition proposal here soon, but it's not ready yet... but long story short: I believe we would be far better off moving to cronie than maintaining our old fork. One question worth asking is which distribu

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On 08.03.19 20:38, Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 08:01:35PM +0100, Christian Kastner wrote: >> I intended to post a transition proposal here soon, but it's not ready >> yet... but long story short: I believe we would be far better off moving >> to cronie than maintaining our old fo

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On 2019-03-08 20:12 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Adrian Bunk > >> Something will break (like in the mlocate case), and people might only >> start noticing when they are doing fresh installs of buster after the >> release. > > Which mlocate case is this? Bug #882993, updatedb.mlocate will

Re: Support status for isolation-machine feature from Debian Infra?

Quoting Mo Zhou (2019-03-08 12:08:54) > (2) Is it a good idea to write a test script, that manually sets up a qemu VM > then tests the module[1]? (Such that we can get rid of the isolation-machine > restriction, and make Debian CI test the ZFS kernel module) I attempted that for my package mmdebst

Bug#924048: ITP: shockolate -- System Shock game engine

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Stephen Kitt * Package name: shockolate Version : 0.7.5 Upstream Author : Chad Cuddigan * URL : https://github.com/Interrupt/systemshock * License : GPL-3+ Programming Lang: C, C++ Description : System Shock game

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 02:38:07PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 08:01:35PM +0100, Christian Kastner wrote: > > I intended to post a transition proposal here soon, but it's not ready > > yet... but long story short: I believe we would be far better off moving > > to cronie t

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On Sat, Mar 09, 2019 at 12:02:05AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 02:38:07PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 08:01:35PM +0100, Christian Kastner wrote: > I intended to post a transition proposal here soon, but it's not ready > yet... but long story short: I

Bug#924064: ITP: ruby-jekyll-data -- read and add data files within Jekyll theme-gems to site hash

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Daniel Leidert -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 * Package name: ruby-jekyll-data Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : Ashwin Maroli * URL : https://github.com/ashmaroli/jekyll-data * License : MIT Programmi

Bug#924065: ITP: ruby-jekyll-redirect-from -- Jekyll plugin to give posts and pages multiple URLs

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Daniel Leidert -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 * Package name: ruby-jekyll-redirect-from Version : 0.14.0 Upstream Author : Parker Moore * URL : https://github.com/jekyll/jekyll-redirect-from * License :

Bug#924067: ITP: ruby-jekyll-avatar -- Jekyll plugin for rendering GitHub avatars

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Daniel Leidert -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 * Package name: ruby-jekyll-avatar Version : 0.6.0 Upstream Author : Ben Balter * URL : https://github.com/benbalter/jekyll-avatar * License : MIT Programm

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 07:27:19PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > On Sat, Mar 09, 2019 at 12:02:05AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 02:38:07PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 08:01:35PM +0100, Christian Kastner wrote: > > > > I intended to post a tran