Hi Raphael,
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 09:46:13AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
[..snip..]
> Problem 1: the derivatives
> --
>
> So I am a Kali Linux contributor. We use git repos to maintain all our
> packages and we use git-buildpackage. Most of the Kali contributors
> are n
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:35:45AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Nov 14, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>
> > This is just a proof that storing the patches as real commits is useful.
> > And that's the point of the patch-queue tag. Instead of having the patches
> > only as real commits in the local rep
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 06:35:07PM +, Simon McVittie wrote:
[..snip..]
> with upstream changes - and try packaging them with each of gbp-pq,
Note that nothing withing gbp forces you to use gbp-pq. You can use
e.g. use
--no-unapply-patches
--auto-commit
--single-debian-patch
in your debian/so
This is probably tangential to the ongoing DEP-14 and source-only upload
discussions
How would people feel if dput was a wrapper around git?
This wouldn't imply that maintainers must use Git as their VCS
For packages that do use git as the VCS, dput would do a "git tag" and
"git push", possibl
On 18/11/14 07:20, Guido Günther wrote:
> Note that nothing withing gbp forces you to use gbp-pq.
I know; but the gbp-pq-like repository structure, as produced by git
import-dsc with no special options, is a popular one (pkg-perl and their
> 3000 packages, as well as smaller teams like -telepathy,
On 18/11/14 02:02, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Here it is said update-rc.d does not respect policy-rc.d but I think
> maybe that should have been invoke-rc.d since update-rc.d just sets
> things up to start while it is invoke-rc.d that actually does it.
invoke-rc.d is the only thing that *does* respect po
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 09:45:03 +0100
Daniel Pocock wrote:
> This is probably tangential to the ongoing DEP-14 and source-only
> upload discussions
>
> How would people feel if dput was a wrapper around git?
That's a daft idea. Please drop it.
It presumes that dput is only used for Debian uploads
On 17/11/14 at 11:15 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
> §6.3.6 does not prevent the CTTE from being presented an issue early. It
> stops the CTTE from deciding an issue before a consensus approach has
> been attempted. In this particular case, I felt that a consensus
> approach had been attempted when t
On 18 November 2014 00:52, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 11/18/2014 03:50 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote:
>> With
>> current sysvinit the serial console is also used as main but
>> sysvinit-core does not produce any messages on tty0 whatsoever and so
>> does not mislead the user into thinking that useful
Hi,
On 11/18/2014 09:45 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> How would people feel if dput was a wrapper around git?
I think its not a good idea. It has too many problems, see below.
> This wouldn't imply that maintainers must use Git as their VCS
>
> For packages that do use git as the VCS, dput would d
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> How would people feel if dput was a wrapper around git?
dpkg --purge dput
--
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where the shadows lie." -- The Silic
Daniel Pocock writes:
> For packages that do use git as the VCS, dput would do a "git tag" and
> "git push", possibly using branches specifically intended for release.
I don't think ‘dput’ should be creating anything in the VCS. Instead,
the tagging and the ‘dput’ should be parallel and independ
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:39:10PM +, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On 17/11/14 16:24, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > I don't think this problem, of a mass of different branch structures,
> > is going to go away any time soon. Simply because people don't seem
> > able to agree.
I agree it's unlikely to go
Daniel Pocock writes ("making dput a wrapper around git"):
> How would people feel if dput was a wrapper around git?
If you would like to work in a world where dput was a wrapper around
git, then please install dgit and spell `dput' as `dgit push'.
If you do that then people who hate git (a perfe
On 18/11/14 11:17, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 11/18/2014 09:45 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> How would people feel if dput was a wrapper around git?
> I think its not a good idea. It has too many problems, see below.
I agree it is not a trivial idea and is unlikely to appeal to everybody
>
On 30/04/14 03:45, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 04/26/2014 01:39 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>
>> With all the talk about removing jquery from source packages, one thing
>> that does arise is the question of how to support different jquery versions.
>>
>> This is not just a JavaScript issue though. Ma
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> That is not a Git-specific issue, it is a general issue with source-only
> uploads. If source-only uploads become the norm then signed tags should
> be the same as source packages shouldn't they?
Absolutely not! (Hint: .orig.tar.gz, often several. And
Hi,
Daniel Pocock:
> This is probably tangential to the ongoing DEP-14 and source-only upload
> discussions
>
> How would people feel if dput was a wrapper around git?
>
How would you feel about forking Debian and switching an all-in-git
maintainance+build infrastructure?
--
-- Matthias Urlich
On 18/11/14 15:23, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>
>> That is not a Git-specific issue, it is a general issue with source-only
>> uploads. If source-only uploads become the norm then signed tags should
>> be the same as source packages shouldn't they?
> Absolut
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Daniel Pocock writes ("Re: making dput a wrapper around git"):
> One of the problems with a VCS right now though is the order of events
> required to make a tag. If I tag and then upload and my upload is
> rejected for any reason then the tag is not valid.
dgit's answer to this is to say: you sho
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On Tue, Nov 18, 2014, at 10:25, Simon McVittie wrote:
> We already have a way to disable services, which knows about sysvinit,
> systemd and Upstart despite its unfortunate name (update-rc.d).
Perhaps we could provide an alternative name to this: f.e.
init-maintscript-helper would reflect the inte
On 18/11/14 16:43, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Daniel Pocock writes ("Re: making dput a wrapper around git"):
>> One of the problems with a VCS right now though is the order of events
>> required to make a tag. If I tag and then upload and my upload is
>> rejected for any reason then the tag is not valid
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On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 03:44:35PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Bernhard R. Link writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git
> packaging repositories"):
> > Raphael Hertzog [14 22:26]:
> ...
> > > When a Git tag needs to refer to a specific version of a Debian package,
> > > the Debia
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 16:48:10 +0100
Daniel Pocock wrote:
> On 18/11/14 16:43, Ian Jackson wrote:
>
> If an upload to NEW is rejected though then the "-1" version is not
> known to the archive and should be used again for a fixed upload
> shouldn't it?
No. You simply upload to NEW with use of the
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Neil Williams writes ("Re: making dput a wrapper around git"):
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 16:48:10 +0100
> Daniel Pocock wrote:
> > If an upload to NEW is rejected though then the "-1" version is not
> > known to the archive and should be used again for a fixed upload
> > shouldn't it?
>
> No. You sim
Guido Günther writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging
repositories"):
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 03:44:35PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Current practice seem so be to replace both : and ~ with _. Unless
> > we
>
> This didn't work well so gbp switched to what Raphael docu
Hi!
On Mon, 2014-11-03 at 11:23:37 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote:
> I'm planning on starting to file bug reports for the source packages
> below (BCCed).
Here's the current status. I've filed bugs now with patches, or just
uploaded for orphaned ones.
> Sources list (via codesearch.d.o)
> ==
Hi,
[ redirecting to debian-devel, as -policy isn't the correct list for this IMHO ]
Eric Valette:
>
Text emails, please.
> I've been fighting with some script conversion to systemd and I think
> a reasonnably complex exemple should be of great help. I've been
What's "reasonably compl
Hi,
On 11/18/2014 05:39 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
>> trying to convert minidlna sysv init file to systemd, managed to have
>> a working unit file but failed to split the configuration mimicing
>> the ../default/minidlna content with the hability to make USER and
>> GROUP configur
Le 18 nov. 2014 17:29, "Guillem Jover" a écrit :
>
> Hi!
>
> On Mon, 2014-11-03 at 11:23:37 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote:
> > I'm planning on starting to file bug reports for the source packages
> > below (BCCed).
>
> Here's the current status. I've filed bugs now with patches, or just
> uploaded fo
On 18/11/2014 17:39, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Text emails, please.
I alway forget that in my company my mailer is configured for html as
outlook discussion cut is absurd...
You _can_ do
ExecStart=sudo -u $USER_MINIDLNA -g GROUP_MINIDLNA /usr/sbin/minidlnad -S
but that's not the o
On 18/11/2014 17:46, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
Hi,
On 11/18/2014 05:39 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
trying to convert minidlna sysv init file to systemd, managed to have
a working unit file but failed to split the configuration mimicing
the ../default/minidlna content with the habil
Hi,
On 11/18/2014 06:25 PM, Eric Valette wrote:
> In the file they just need to set User and Group then?
With systemd you can ship a default configuration in
/lib/systemd/system and administrators can override specific options,
for example:
+---
| [Unit]
| Description=Some Helpful Description
|
El dl 17 de 11 de 2014 a les 15:41 +0100, en/na Michal Suchanek va
escriure:
> -- System Information:
> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
> Description: Ubuntu GNU/Linux testing (jessie)
> Release: testing
> Codename: jessie
> Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
> Foreign Architectures: i386
>
> Ker
On 18/11/2014 18:36, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
Hi,
On 11/18/2014 06:25 PM, Eric Valette wrote:
In the file they just need to set User and Group then?
With systemd you can ship a default configuration in
/lib/systemd/system and administrators can override specific options,
for example:
+---
| [
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> > trying to convert minidlna sysv init file to systemd, managed to have
> > a working unit file but failed to split the configuration mimicing
> > the ../default/minidlna content with the hability to make USER and
> > GROUP configurable
Hi Joey,
Am 2014-11-07 22:04, schrieb Joey Hess:
It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
everyone well, but I'm out.
Shocking.
Thanks for all the great stuff you did and do, from a Debian user and
de
Hi,
Eric Valette:
> >It's better IMHO to use a fixed user in your packaging -- why should that
> >user be configurable in the first place? If the sysadmin _really_ needs to
> >use a different user+group, they can add an overriding unit file to
> >/etc/systemd/system/ (files get merged, so no need
On 18/11/14 18:27, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> Failing to address this would be a severe regression, of the kind that
> introduces a security hole.
I can see the functional regression ("minidlna is running as a totally
unprivileged user now, and can't read my music any more!") but not the
I think all have been said, so I will just join this with +1.
Cheers,
Ondrej
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014, at 02:08, Russ Allbery wrote:
> zlatan writes:
>
> > In advance sorry for all spelling mistake that I will write as I am
> > writing from my phone and I am not a native English speaker.
>
> [...]
On 18/11/2014 19:47, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
ExecStart=sudo -u $USER_MINIDLNA -g GROUP_MINIDLNA /usr/sbin/minidlnad -S
is an adequate and perfectly serviceable answer to your question.
On the other hand, the documented way to do this in systemd man pages is
to use User and Group. If th
On 18/11/14 19:21, Eric Valette wrote:
> I just mentioned that naively combining User=$TOTO or ${TOTO} TOTO being
> defined in an default/package file parsed by EnvironmentFile= does not
> seem to work as documented in man pages
To be clear, the environment variable substitution in systemd units'
Simon McVittie writes:
> I can see the functional regression ("minidlna is running as a totally
> unprivileged user now, and can't read my music any more!") but not the
> security hole: its default user presumably has as little access as
> "nobody", so I don't see how that's insecure?
The scenar
Parsing User=$TOTO as "the User is the value of the environment variable
TOTO as given by Environment or EnvironmentFile" might be a reasonable
feature request, but it is not currently an implemented feature.
I think anything that simplify transitioning from an init system to
another new one is
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On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 09:25:44AM +, Simon McVittie wrote:
> There are (at least) three things that start services (i.e. init
> scripts, systemd units or Upstart jobs):
>
> * invoke-rc.d, intended to be called from maintainer scripts
> * service, intended to be called by the sysadmin
> * the
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 02:46:24 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> As part of python2.7-minimal's configuration,
> /usr/share/python/runtime.d/public_modules.rtinstall gets executed. It's
> part
> of the python package. Since the dependency chain was texlive-music ->
> python
> -> python2.7-m
On 18 November 2014 18:57, Jordi Mallach wrote:
> El dl 17 de 11 de 2014 a les 15:41 +0100, en/na Michal Suchanek va
> escriure:
>> -- System Information:
>> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
>> Description: Ubuntu GNU/Linux testing (jessie)
>> Release: testing
>> Codename: jessie
>> Architec
Helmut Grohne writes:
> There is a fourth one that restarts/reloads services: logrotate
> Please excuse a little excursion into the inhomogeneity of signalling
> services from logrotate. I did a little bit of research and came up
> with the following numbers (sid i386+all main):
> -> 360 packa
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* Julien Cristau , 2014-11-18, 23:50:
As part of python2.7-minimal's configuration,
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It's part of the python package. Since the dependency chain was
texlive-music -> python -> python2.7-minimal, python is already
unpacked, so
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On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 04:24:30PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Guido Günther writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging
> repositories"):
> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 03:44:35PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > > Current practice seem so be to replace both : and ~ with _. Unless
>
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> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes:
>>> A second option is to migrate on upgrade the uid/gid information
>>> into an override in /etc/systemd/system. Requires dealing with
>>> a dynamically generated config file in preinst/postinst, though,
>>> which means the tools that help pr
Sam Hartman writes:
>> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes:
> Russ> Yeah, this seems like the right solution to me too. Drop a
> Russ> configuration fragment in /etc/systemd that overrides the user
> Russ> and group and then don't touch it again.
> well, debconf seems like a win here
On November 18, 2014 6:30:02 PM EST, Jakub Wilk wrote:
>* Julien Cristau , 2014-11-18, 23:50:
>>>As part of python2.7-minimal's configuration,
>>>/usr/share/python/runtime.d/public_modules.rtinstall gets executed.
>>>It's part of the python package. Since the dependency chain was
>>>texlive-mu
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 03:07:02PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > Please excuse a little excursion into the inhomogeneity of signalling
> > services from logrotate. I did a little bit of research and came up
> > with the following numbers (sid i386+all main):
>
> > -> 360 packages shipping logrot
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:41:09PM +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 09:25:44AM +, Simon McVittie wrote:
> > There are (at least) three things that start services (i.e. init
> > scripts, systemd units or Upstart jobs):
> > * invoke-rc.d, intended to be called from maintaine
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 07:47:59PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Your specific package may well have different and non-general requirements,
> in which case
> > >> ExecStart=sudo -u $USER_MINIDLNA -g GROUP_MINIDLNA
> > >> /usr/sbin/minidlnad -S
> is an adequate and perfectly serviceable a
Ian wrote:
> Guido Günther writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging
> repositories"):
> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 03:44:35PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > > Current practice seem so be to replace both : and ~ with _. Unless
> > > we
> >
> > This didn't work well so gbp swi
Le mercredi, 19 novembre 2014, 00.00:48 Michal Suchanek a écrit :
> On 18 November 2014 18:57, Jordi Mallach wrote:
> > El dl 17 de 11 de 2014 a les 15:41 +0100, en/na Michal Suchanek va
> > escriure:
> >> -- System Information:
> >> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
> >> Description: Ubuntu GNU/Linux
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 21:17:15 -0500, James McCoy wrote:
> > Guido Günther writes ("Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git
> > packaging repositories"):
> > > This didn't work well so gbp switched to what Raphael documented years
> > > ago (: -> %, ~ -> _).
> Hmm, seems debcommit is converting
Hi,
Steve Langasek:
> The disadvantage of the sudo method is that you are spawning a PAM session,
> which is not desirable for any service.
>
Ah. Thanks for the reminder; mentioning the session issue completely
slipped my mind. :-/
If one does need to use a sudo intermediate to start services, t
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