Vote result (was: Poll (was: Popularity of bzr-builddeb and dh-make))

2012-10-20 Thread Benjamin Drung
Hi, the week is over and here are the results from the vote: There were 64 participants in total. dh-make === 46 people want dh-make recommended. 27 people (+ 3 with a question mark) want dh-make suggested. 58 people voted for (at least) one of the above options. Recommending dh-make instea

Re: Vote result (was: Poll)

2012-10-20 Thread David Prévot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, Le 20/10/2012 07:35, Benjamin Drung a écrit : > bzr-builddeb > > > 8 people (+ 3 with a question mark) want bzr-builddeb recommended. > 30 people (+ 10 with a question mark) want bzr-builddeb suggested. > 44 people voted for (at l

Re: Discarding uploaded binary packages

2012-10-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 10/17/2012 09:56 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote: On 17/10/2012 08:36, Russell Coker wrote: On Wed, 17 Oct 2012, Barry Warsaw wrote: I also think allowing source-only uploads makes for easier contributions, and thus hopefully more contributions. Why would it be easier? Surely we still want peopl

Re: Discarding uploaded binary packages

2012-10-20 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 20/10/2012 22:38, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 10/17/2012 09:56 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote: >> On 17/10/2012 08:36, Russell Coker wrote: >>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2012, Barry Warsaw wrote: I also think allowing source-only uploads makes for easier contributions, and thus hopefully more contribut

Re: Discarding uploaded binary packages

2012-10-20 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Chow Loong Jin [121020 18:10]: > The only argument I have seen for binary uploads is to ensure that DDs have > built the package prior to uploading it. But as someone else pointed out > earlier > in the thread, we seem to be trusting DDs a lot in other aspects, so why not > trust that they test

Re: (seemingly) declinging bug report numbers

2012-10-20 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 09:40:12AM +0200, Christian PERRIER wrote: > I will take this last sentence from Russ' mail to give out my own > feeling about these issues. Thanks for this in-depth view on your feeling on this matter. I've been following with interest your blog posts on the "decline" of D

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Re: Discarding uploaded binary packages

2012-10-20 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> But my point was: if we're going to be dropping the uploaded binary in the > first > place, why do we have to upload it? Source-only uploads would make so much > more > sense. Only theoretical. Practical it would mean we will have many more build failures. > The only argument I have seen for

Re: Discarding uploaded binary packages

2012-10-20 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Joerg Jaspert , 2012-10-20, 20:10: For some more deep insight you might want to talk to Ubuntu people. They do allow source-only uploads, and I seem to remember them having written that it lead to lots of useless uploads that just can't have been tested. http://lists.debian.org/200911160129

Re: Discarding uploaded binary packages

2012-10-20 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 12:10:02AM +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > I also think allowing source-only uploads makes for easier contributions, > and thus hopefully more contributions. > >>> Why would it be easier? Surely we still want people to build packages > >>> first to > >>> ensure th

Re: (seemingly) declinging bug report numbers

2012-10-20 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Thu, 2012-10-18 at 20:10 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > I'm not seeing any signs that Ubuntu actually wants to take over what > Debian is the best at, which is maintaining a very broad range of packages > at high quality. Notice the number of folks who start doing Debian > packaging because they

Re: Discarding uploaded binary packages

2012-10-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 06:29:50PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link a écrit : > * Chow Loong Jin [121020 18:10]: > > The only argument I have seen for binary uploads is to ensure that DDs have > > built the package prior to uploading it. But as someone else pointed out > > earlier > > in the thread, we se

Re: Discarding uploaded binary packages

2012-10-20 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 21/10/2012 02:10, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > For some more deep insight you might want to talk to Ubuntu people. They > do allow source-only uploads, and I seem to remember them having written > that it lead to lots of useless uploads that just can't have been tested.[2] I am an Ubuntu developer

Re: Discarding uploaded binary packages

2012-10-20 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 21/10/2012 05:17, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 12:10:02AM +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote: >> I also think allowing source-only uploads makes for easier contributions, >> and thus hopefully more contributions. > Why would it be easier? Surely we still want people

Re: (seemingly) declinging bug report numbers

2012-10-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 09:40:12AM +0200, Christian PERRIER a écrit : > > But, still, yes, I feel we are in danger in some way. That may sound alarming > (death of Debian predicted, film at 11), but, really, getting new > blood is important for usif we don't want to shrink into a club of > old