Hi Marco,
Marco d'Itri writes:
> On Aug 10, Roger Leigh wrote:
>
>> In the case of OpenRC, it has the potential to be a drop-in replacement
>> for sysv-rc (note that it uses base sysvinit still underneath that).
> So do the other init systems.
> The point is what they can do which sysvinit (and
* Josselin Mouette [2012-08-10 01:06]:
> Le jeudi 09 août 2012 à 23:53 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez a
> écrit :
> > What about Debian kFreeBSD and Hurd? AFAIK systemd needs a linux kernel to
> > work.
>
> Please explain again why we should cripple the Linux port for the sake
> of toy port
* Josselin Mouette [2012-08-09 23:15]:
> And no, choice between multiple broken implementation is NOT added
> value. Linux is not about choice.
Luckily that is not everyones opinion.
Martin
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Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 09:23 +0200, Martin Wuertele a écrit :
> Please explain why adding another sysv-rc drop-in replacements cripples
> the Linux port.
Because being able to choose between alternatives for core features such
as the init system only brings more bugs and no added value.
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Dear Guys,
Thanks a lot for the input from Marco d'Itri, Holger Levsen and Thomas
Goirand, as well as Aron Xu off list.
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
> openrc was recently discussed on debian-devel@ and there was a large
> consensus that it is not a credible alternative to upstart and sy
* Josselin Mouette [2012-08-10 10:12]:
> Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 09:23 +0200, Martin Wuertele a écrit :
> > Please explain why adding another sysv-rc drop-in replacements cripples
> > the Linux port.
>
> Because being able to choose between alternatives for core features such
> as the init sy
On Aug 10, Philip Hands wrote:
> Now that they've done the bulk of the effort, do you really expect them
> to simply discard their work because you tell them to?
I really do not care about what the openrc developers will do, my
interest is in what Debian developers will do.
> So, please tell us
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On Aug 10, Martin Wuertele wrote:
> > http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html
> And that really explains why there is a choice for core functions like
> kernel event handler: udevd, hotplug2, mdev
> c library: glibc, eglibc, dietlibc
They exist, and guess what? W
* Marco d'Itri [2012-08-10 11:27]:
> On Aug 10, Martin Wuertele wrote:
>
> > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html
> > And that really explains why there is a choice for core functions like
> > kernel event handler: udevd, hotplug2, mdev
> > c library: glib
Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 11:56 +0200, Martin Wuertele a écrit :
> That we do no longer have glibc in the archive and we had a transition
> to eglibc was an understandable maintainer decision.
glibc/eglibc is not comparable to the other alternatives, the
differences are extremely tiny.
> How is
Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 17:04 +0900, hero...@gentoo.org a écrit :
> Debian is about the freedom to choose.
No, it is not.
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Hello,
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:11:12 +0200
Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 17:04 +0900, hero...@gentoo.org a écrit :
> > Debian is about the freedom to choose.
> No, it is not.
No, it is.
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On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 17:04 +0900, hero...@gentoo.org wrote:
> Dear Guys,
>
> Thanks a lot for the input from Marco d'Itri, Holger Levsen and Thomas
> Goirand, as well as Aron Xu off list.
>
> m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
>
> > openrc was recently discussed on debian-devel@ and there was
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On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 02:21:08PM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:11:12 +0200
> Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 17:04 +0900, hero...@gentoo.org a écrit :
> > > Debian is about the freedom to choose.
> > No, it is not.
> No, it is.
No, it really is
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 09:03:19AM +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
> On 10/08/2012 08:04, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 01:16:17AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> >> Wasn't the idea of porting to non-Linux rejected by upstart's upstream?
> > Porting upstart to non-Linux kernels has
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:55:51AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> There are two main issues with trying to support multiple init systems.
> The first one is the time needed to do it. The second and more important
> one is being limited by the features of the less capable implementation,
> which wou
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 00:50 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 09 août 2012 à 23:53 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez a
> écrit :
> > What about Debian kFreeBSD and Hurd? AFAIK systemd needs a linux kernel to
> > work.
>
> Please explain again why we should cripple the Linux port for the
On 2012-08-10 09:09, Steve Langasek wrote:
[...]
> > > Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 17:04 +0900, hero...@gentoo.org a écrit :
> > > > Debian is about the freedom to choose.
[...]
> No, it really isn't. It's about creating a technically excellent operating
> system that meets our users needs.
>
> D
"Eugene V. Lyubimkin" writes:
> On 2012-08-10 09:09, Steve Langasek wrote:
>> No, it really isn't. It's about creating a technically excellent
>> operating system that meets our users needs.
>> Developers need the freedom to *make* autonomous technical choices as
>> part of the process of makin
Le samedi 11 août 2012 à 00:53 +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin a écrit :
> Declaring "one area -- one chosen tool" is declaring the monopoly in the
> area. As with other monopolies, this often leads to "vendor" lock-in,
> stagnation, stopping developing the standards. Have seen examples of all
> that o
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 08:54:24AM +0200, Alberto Fuentes wrote:
> For the record and at least up to squeeze, you do have a sudo group
> but you are *not* added to that group.
If you are using an empty root password during installation, you do get sudo
rights.
Kind regards
Philipp Kern
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On 08/11/12 01:12, Russ Allbery wrote:
> There are choices that we don't support because the process of supporting
> that choice would involve far more work than benefit, and the final goal
> is excellence, not choice for its own sake. For example, we don't allow
> users to replace the system C li
Faidon Liambotis writes:
> On 08/11/12 01:12, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> There are choices that we don't support because the process of
>> supporting that choice would involve far more work than benefit, and
>> the final goal is excellence, not choice for its own sake. For
>> example, we don't allow
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On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 12:53:45AM +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> On 2012-08-10 09:09, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > > Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 17:04 +0900, hero...@gentoo.org a écrit :
> > > > > Debian is about the freedom to choose.
> > No, it really isn't. It's about creating a technica
On 08/11/2012 05:53 AM, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> Declaring "one area -- one chosen tool" is declaring the monopoly in the
> area. As with other monopolies, this often leads to "vendor" lock-in,
> stagnation, stopping developing the standards. Have seen examples of all
> that occasionally.
>
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