Bug#658728: linux-image-3.2.0-1-amd64: No more sound - please reopen

2012-02-11 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich
Dear maintainers, I saw this bug was already closed by you. There shall be a fix available. My question: Did you already upload the fixed kernel? I am running debian- amd/testing which (as you know) got the same kernel as debian-amd64/sid. If you aleady did, so please reopen the bugreport, as i

Re: Bug#658728: linux-image-3.2.0-1-amd64: No more sound - please reopen

2012-02-11 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Hi Hans, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: > I saw this bug was already closed by you. I don't know where you got that impression. Bug 658728 is still open, and there is not a patch available yet. However: [...] > My chipset is ALC 268. Bug 658728 is not likely to be relevant to you --- it's just plain

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 17:35 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > I think we have to do something saner with changelog files eventually > regardless, but I'm curious: how did Ubuntu deal with the binNMU problem > that Guillem identified? If you binNMU a library on amd64 but not on > i386, as near as I can

Re: Bug#658728: linux-image-3.2.0-1-amd64: No more sound - please reopen

2012-02-11 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 03:34 -0600, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > Hi Hans, > > Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: > > > I saw this bug was already closed by you. > > I don't know where you got that impression. Bug 658728 is still open, > and there is not a patch available yet. Also, debian-devel is not the corr

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Jakub Wilk wrote: > >* Deploying refcnt means that M-A:same packages must always be at > >the same exact installed version, so that the file contents can > >match. > >↓ > >More difficult upgrade paths, as this ties the different arch > >dependency trees around M-A:same

DEP5: minor suggestions - FSF address etc.

2012-02-11 Thread Jari Aalto
I'd like to propose updates to: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/ (1) Use URL instead of real FSF address everywhere -You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public -License along with this package; if not, write to the Free -Software Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin St,

Re: DEP-5 and files with white spaces

2012-02-11 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Charles Plessy , 2012-02-11, 12:06: For the encoding, this is not a problem limited to the machine-readable format. If the Debian copyright file is in an encoding A, and one file has a name or is in a directory that has a name in an encoding B that can not be represented in A, and that there

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Joey Hess , 2012-02-10, 22:35: /usr/share/doc/pkgname/ /usr/share/bug/pkgname /usr/share/lintian/overrides/pkgname /usr/share/mime-info/pkgname.* /usr/share/menu/pkgname ... (Joey, I'm guessing you might consider it too late to do some of these in debhelper for compat level 9, righ

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > It could be a source of subtle bugs if this leads to having > libfoo:i386 (1.0) + libfoo:amd64 (2.0) + libfoo-data:all (2.0) > > But then the proper answer is for the maintainer to put > a tight dependency “Depends: libfoo-data (= ${source:Version})”.

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Raphael Hertzog , 2012-02-11, 11:15: * Deploying refcnt means that M-A:same packages must always be at the same exact installed version, so that the file contents can match. ↓ More difficult upgrade paths, as this ties the different arch dependency trees around M-A:same barriers. By allowin

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > It could be a source of subtle bugs if this leads to having > > libfoo:i386 (1.0) + libfoo:amd64 (2.0) + libfoo-data:all (2.0) > > > > But then the proper answer is for the maintainer to put >

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:28:33 +0200 Riku Voipio wrote: > Package proliferation and duplication of arch-independent data are merely > effects that happen when packagers workaround the lack of shared identical > files. +1 > One solution for the binNMU changelogs and generated docs would be to > us

Re: DEP5: minor suggestions - FSF address etc.

2012-02-11 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-02-11 at 12:23pm, Jari Aalto wrote: > > I'd like to propose updates to: > > http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/ > > (1) Use URL instead of real FSF address everywhere [...] > (2) No ending commas in years [...] > (3) Uniform Layout I agree wit those changes - assuming it affects only exa

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Jonathan Nieder , 2012-02-10, 18:56: This is not so one-sided as you seem to be suggesting. Yes. I apologize for implying this. Jonathan who wishes he knew of a fifth approach without the downsides of the others proposed so far :) Let me try: 1. We allow sharing files between architectu

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Guillem Jover
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 17:16:29 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 06:56:00PM -0600, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > > As long as dependencies are accurate, I don't see how allowing > > co-installation of the same package for two different architectures at > > different versions is any

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Guillem Jover
On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 11:41:58 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > That is a bug and ought to be fixed in its own right. Then, the > discussion of how much we should rely on it or not is a different one, > but it's good to separate the concerns. As mentioned on the summary, this is not specific to

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Guillem Jover
On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 00:46:53 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > It is not true that splitting the package is a one time action, every > release which adds new files will require dealing with the split. Assuming a somewhat standard packaging, using debhelper and debian/tmp or debian/, where all upstre

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Guillem Jover writes: > On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 11:41:58 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: >> That is a bug and ought to be fixed in its own right. Then, the >> discussion of how much we should rely on it or not is a different one, >> but it's good to separate the concerns. > As mentioned on the su

Re: DEP5: minor suggestions - FSF address etc.

2012-02-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Jari Aalto writes: > (3) Uniform Layout > E.g. > -Copyright: 1993 John Doe > - 1993 Joe Average > +Copyright: > + 1993 John Doe > + 1993 Joe Average > Rationale: The whole document uses one-space indent for consequtive > lines. No, this change is actua

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:21:52 -0800 Russ Allbery wrote: > Guillem Jover writes: > > On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 11:41:58 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > >> That is a bug and ought to be fixed in its own right. Then, the > >> discussion of how much we should rely on it or not is a different one, >

Virtual package lua should be provided by lua5.1.

2012-02-11 Thread Chris
(Note: Please Cc any relevant discussions to me.) Currently, the virtual package lua is provided by lua40 and lua50. This implies that lua50 is the latest version available in the repositories, but lua5.1 is newer. I don't see lua listed at http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/virtual-pack

Re: Virtual package lua should be provided by lua5.1.

2012-02-11 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:26:41 -0600 Chris wrote: > (Note: Please Cc any relevant discussions to me.) > > Currently, the virtual package lua is provided by lua40 and lua50. This lua5.1 Provides: lua $ sudo apt-get install lua Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek writes: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 01:40:41PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Steve Langasek writes: > >> > - For many of these files, it would be actively harmful to use >> >architecture-qualified filenames. Manpages included in -dev packages >> >should not change

Re: Endianness of data files in MultiArch

2012-02-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aron Xu writes: > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 00:14, Osamu Aoki wrote: >> [...] >> >> Just think any phrase data with its content size in 16bit integer. >> >> I have bigger example :-) >> >> ipadic: Uncompressed size: 44.5 M >> >> This one, I made them arch:any to build many binary packages.  Simila

Re: DEP5: minor suggestions - FSF address etc.

2012-02-11 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-02-11 at 06:27am, Russ Allbery wrote: > Jari Aalto writes: > > > (3) Uniform Layout > > > E.g. > > > -Copyright: 1993 John Doe > > - 1993 Joe Average > > +Copyright: > > + 1993 John Doe > > + 1993 Joe Average > > > Rationale: The whole document uses o

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Bernhard R. Link" writes: > * Ben Hutchings [120209 20:45]: >> There is a similar issue with linux-image-*-amd64, which I would >> definitely like to remove from i386 as soon as possible. We have >> metapackages to help with this already, but we still need users to add >> amd64 as a foreign ar

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bastian Blank writes: > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:00:50PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: >> just >> to have a suiteable kernel would be quite a burden. > > The -amd64 kernel in i386 arch is some sort of upgrade tool. With > mult

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: > As the maintainer of a few (popular) library packages I consider > splitting these packages a complex and annoying workaround for > deficiencies in tools. > It is not true that splitting the package is a one time action, every > release which adds new file

Re: Bug#652464: ITP: aguilas -- A web-based LDAP user management system

2012-02-11 Thread Luis Alejandro Martínez Faneyth
Hi, I would like to update this ITP: * I'm no longer using martinez.faneyth [at] gmail.com. From now on i will use luis [at] huntingbears.com.ve for all my Debian contributions. (is there an easy way of changing this bug's owner?). * The application has received the following improvements:

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Jonathan Nieder writes: > Hi, > > Jakub Wilk wrote: > >> How about: >> * Because this the obvious and elegant way of doing things. It makes >> multiarchification easy for packagers, and invisible for uses, >> including those users who don't care about multi-arch (unless they >> rely on paths to t

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Stefano Zacchiroli writes: > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 05:35:19PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >> We need a guarantee that gzip will always produce the same output, which >> we already know isn't the case and which doesn't look sustainable going >> forward. > > My understanding of #647522 is differen

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Raphael Hertzog writes: > Hello, > > On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Jakub Wilk wrote: >> >* Deploying refcnt means that M-A:same packages must always be at >> >the same exact installed version, so that the file contents can >> >match. >> >↓ >> >More difficult upgrade paths, as this ties the different arc

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-11 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 17:33 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Bastian Blank writes: > > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:00:50PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > >> just > >> to have a suiteable kernel would be quite a burden. > >

Bug#659511: ITP: okularplugin -- KParts-based Okular plug-in for Gecko browsers

2012-02-11 Thread Maximilian Gerhard
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Maximilian Gerhard * Package name: okularplugin Version : git-e6c3993714d8cb4fc56633d69d898e9caa9b696f Upstream Author : Jeremy Sanders * URL : https://github.com/jeremysanders/okularplugin * License : (LGPL, BSD) Prog

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-11 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 05:33:45PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > If there is no 64bit kernel in i386 then you can not safely enable > multiarch to install amd64 packages (in general, kernel my just > work). It is kind of a prerequisite. qemu-user? Of course, this particular combination is

Re: Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:57:44AM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Wouter Verhelst writes ("Re: Use of the first person in messages from the > computer"): > > A computer cannot refer to itself, because it does not have a self. > > I'm sorry, but that is completely wrong. > > "README" > "drink me"

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 05:35:19PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Steve Langasek writes: > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 06:56:00PM -0600, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > >> I agree that the extra work of removing "multi-arch: same" for existing > >> -dev packages that have been converted is a major downside.

Re: DEP-5 and files with white spaces

2012-02-11 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:50:10AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 11:05:25PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Note that another case that I don't think has been discussed, but which is > > probably more common than embedded quote marks, is a filename that's > > invalid UTF-8 (s

Bug#659525: ITP: jenkins-token-macro-plugin -- Adds reusable macro expansion capability for other Jenkins plugins

2012-02-11 Thread Jakub Adam
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org --- Please fill out the fields below. --- Package name: jenkins-token-macro-plugin Version: 1.5.1 Upstream Author: CloudBees, Inc URL: https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Token+Macro+Plugi

Re: DEP-5 and files with white spaces

2012-02-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Adam Borowski writes: > It looks like there is not a single such filename in all sources, anywhere > in unstable (for x in *.tar.*z*;do tar tf "$x";done). Even lletters-media > ships its data with English names and links them at build. Oh, cool, thank you for checking! I think we can safely no

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-11 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Cyril Brulebois dixit: >For those not subscribed to that bug, how to reproduce[1] and possible >fix[2] are available now. There might be other places where buffers are >reused, I only spent a few minutes on this during my lunch break. Your lunch breaks are amazing. Doesn’t this look like “uses un

Re: Bug#655999: [bugs.debian.org] Reporting documentation - "What package does your bug report belong to?" points to user support groups

2012-02-11 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:25:26PM -0500, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > [Forgot to Cc joy] > > >>debian-user's topic is user support. > >> > >>For technical discussions about development, the default group is > >>debian-devel@lists.debian.org. > >>Reference: > >>http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwm

Re: Endianness of data files in MultiArch (was: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support)

2012-02-11 Thread Carsten Hey
* Aron Xu [2012-02-09 01:22 +0800]: > Some packages come with data files that endianness matters, and many > of them are large enough to split into a separate arch:all package if > endianness were not something to care about. ... Debian Policy, begin of section 5.6.8: | Depending on context and th

Re: Summary: dpkg shared / reference counted files and version match

2012-02-11 Thread Carsten Hey
* Guillem Jover [2012-02-10 23:56 +0100]: > * binNMUs for the same version might not be co-installable because doc > generators, compressors, etc, might not always produce the same output. > > ... A possible fix, but only for the compressed files case might be to > ship them uncompresesd, but

Re: DEP5: minor suggestions - FSF address etc.

2012-02-11 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 12:23:12PM +0200, Jari Aalto a écrit : > I'd like to propose updates to: > > http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/ Dear Jari, while I think that the examples can be improved in a future version of the DEP, I have objections for the changes you proposed. > (1) Use URL ins

Bug#659561: ITP: shorewall-core -- Shorewall core components

2012-02-11 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Roberto C. Sanchez" -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 * Package name: shorewall-core Version : 4.5.0 Upstream Author : Tom Eastep * URL : http://www.shorewall.net/ * License : GPL-2 Programming Lang: Pe

Re: DEP5: minor suggestions - FSF address etc.

2012-02-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Goirand writes: > On 02/11/2012 10:27 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: >> No, this change is actually incorrect. It should have at least two >> spaces of indent for all the subsequent lines to preserve formatting if >> a formatter uses the semantics of the control Description field. (And >> I pre

Re: DEP5: minor suggestions - FSF address etc.

2012-02-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 02/11/2012 10:27 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: >> -Copyright: 1993 John Doe >> - 1993 Joe Average >> +Copyright: >> + 1993 John Doe >> + 1993 Joe Average >> >> Rationale: The whole document uses one-space indent for consequtive >> lines. >> > No, this cha