On 2010-12-30, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>> On 2010-12-28, Carsten Hey wrote:
>> > system. The remaining perl library packages could be removed after
>> > installing debconf-english.
> [Philipp Kern]
>> "You don't care about non-native speakers?" SCNR.
> That's not how I read it at all. I think h
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:49:48 +0100
From: Vincent Untz
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Subject: Cross-distro meeting about application installer
Hi all,
We're organizing a cross-distro meeting in January to discuss the
"application inst
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2010, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> Writing a temp file, fsync, rename is often proposed. However, the
It is:
write temp file (in same directory as file to be replaced), fsync temp
file[1], rename (atomic), fsync directory[2].
[1] Makes sure file data has been commited to backend
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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
wrote:
> write temp file (in same directory as file to be replaced), fsync temp
What if the target name is actually a symlink? To a different volume?
What if you're not allowed to create a file in that dir.
> If we could use some sys
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On 30/12/10 13:46, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
Is there a code snippet or lib function that handles this properly?
I don't know. I'd be interested in the answer, though :-)
I'm working on one under the MIT license. Will probably release it by
the end of this week. Will also hand
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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> I'm working on one under the MIT license. Will probably release it by the
> end of this week. Will also handle copying the permissions over and
> following symlinks.
Sounds great!
Got a project page already?
What aboue file owner? Meta-dat
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 03:30:29PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> > name the temp file properly, and teach your program to clean old ones up
> > *safely* (see vim swap file handling for an example) when it starts.
>
> What about restoring meta-data? File-owner?
owner, permissions, acl, xattrs,
On 30/12/10 17:02, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
I'm working on one under the MIT license. Will probably release it by the
end of this week. Will also handle copying the permissions over and
following symlinks.
Sounds great!
Got a pr
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> No. I was doing it as code to accompany an article on my company's site
> about how it should be done. I was originally out to write the article, and
> then decided to add code. A good thing, too, as recursively resolving
> symbolic links i
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
> wrote:
> > write temp file (in same directory as file to be replaced), fsync temp
>
> What if the target name is actually a symlink? To a different volume?
Indeed. You have to check t
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> The reason I asked for a kernelland solution is because it's hard if
> not impossible to do properly in userland. But some kernel devs (Ted
> and others) don't agree. They reason that the desire to preserve all
> meta-data isn't reasonable by itself.
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
wrote:
>> What if the target name is actually a symlink? To a different volume?
>
> Indeed. You have to check that first, of course :-( This is about safe
> handling of such functions, symlinks always have to be derreferenced and
> thei
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
>> The reason I asked for a kernelland solution is because it's hard if
>> not impossible to do properly in userland. But some kernel devs (Ted
>> and others) don't agree. They reaso
On 30/12/10 13:46, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
Is there a code snippet or lib function that handles this properly?
I don't know. I'd be interested in the answer, though :-)
I'm working on one under the MIT license. Will probably release it by
the end of this week. Will a
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2010, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 30 Dec 2010, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> >> The reason I asked for a kernelland solution is because it's hard if
> >> not impossible to do properly in userland. But some
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
wrote:
>> Why not?
>
> You touched it, it is not the same file/inode anymore.
That's again a regression from the non-atomic case.
>> How does it handle meta-data you don't know about yet?
>
> It doesn't. You need a "copy inode without
On 30/12/10 19:48, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
It doesn't. You need a "copy inode without the file data" filesystem
interface to be able to do that in the first place. It might exist, but I
never heard of it.
If my (extremely leaky) memory serves me right, Windows has it. It's
c
On 30/12/10 17:17, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
No. I was doing it as code to accompany an article on my company's site
about how it should be done. I was originally out to write the article, and
then decided to add code. A good thing, too
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> If my (extremely leaky) memory serves me right, Windows has it. It's called
> "delete and then rename". It is not atomic (since when do Windows care about
> not breaking stuff), but it does exactly that.
>
> If you delete a file and quickly
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
>> Depending on /proc is probably not reasonable.
>> Are you sure it will be atomic? ;)
>>
>>
>
> open old file, get fd (we'll assume it's 5). Do readlink on /proc/self/fd/5,
> and get file's real path. Do everything in said path. It's atomic
On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 19:29 +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> > If my (extremely leaky) memory serves me right, Windows has it. It's called
> > "delete and then rename". It is not atomic (since when do Windows care about
> > not breaking st
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>> You're kidding me. Got any source to back this up?
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=172190
Interesting. Although no longer available on Vista / 7.
Olaf
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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:33:10AM +, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> NB: the current CPAN release is marked as experimental and is missing
> a licence. I will clarify these points with the author before uploading.
This was a mistake; this module does in fact come with a Free licence
but I failed
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> This is fairly pointless as 3.0 supports user-specifiable formats and
> filtering and will be out in 2011Q1 so varnishncsa-vhost won't ever be
> in a stable release where it makes sense to have it.
I figured it out.
I had packaged
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On 12/22/2010 05:10 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
> May be there is a lightweight utility which could be used for
> monitoring, e.g. it would report suspicious actions being taken from
> within a monitored environment? e.g., it would
>
> * sanitize environment variables
> * monitor open/socket/..
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Christian Kastner wrote:
> to package-build-audit *only* is a pain. For example, it is easy to
> monitor *all* access to /etc/shadow or changes to /bin/login, it is
> quite hard to limit the monitoring to a *process tree* (our building
> process).
Does the build
* Russ Allbery schrieb:
> pkg-config is much superior to libtool, since libtool includes all the
> libraries on dynamic links as well, which creates unwanted shared library
> dependencies and causes other problems. Because of that, the trend in
> Debian is to empty that information from libtool
* Philipp Kern [2010-12-29 05:38 +]:
> On 2010-12-28, Carsten Hey wrote:
> > ... One reason for this is that dpkg's perl scripts were rewritten
> > in C.
>
> I know you phrased it differently but wasn't the motivation for this
> rewrite to be more robust in the base system on upgrades? I.e.
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> BTW: safely removing a file is also tricky. AFAIK, one must open it RW,
> in exclusive mode. stat it by fd and check whether it is what one
> expects (regular file, ownership). unlink it by fd. close the fd.
Eh, as it was pointed to me b
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On 30/12/10 17:02, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
Got a project page already?
Watch this space. Actual code coming soon(tm).
https://github.com/Shachar/safewrite
Shachar
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