Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Angus
Python3 was released upstream exactly 1 year ago, but Python3.* still hasn't been released in Debian Unstable. Hell, even the even older Python2.6 is not there yet. I appreciate all the hard work that needs to done to maintain packages, but if you're going to maintain packages as important as thes

Re: Bug#559134: ITP: shc -- a generic shell script compiler

2009-12-02 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 15:58, Karl Goetz wrote: > On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:58:17 +0100 > "Dario Minnucci \(midget\)" wrote: > > * Package name: shc > > > shc's main purpose is to protect your shell scripts from > > modification or inspection. You can use it if you wish to > > distribute your

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Lech Karol Pawłaszek
Angus wrote: > Python3 was released upstream exactly 1 year ago, but Python3.* still > hasn't been released in Debian Unstable. > Hell, even the even older Python2.6 is not there yet. [...] > Does Debian even have a roadmap for Python? If there is any, I'm not > seeing it. At least be transparent a

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Sandro Tosi
Hello Angus, On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 09:06, Angus wrote: > Python3 was released upstream exactly 1 year ago, but Python3.* still > hasn't been released in Debian Unstable. > Hell, even the even older Python2.6 is not there yet. > > I appreciate all the hard work that needs to done to maintain > pa

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Ben Finney
Sandro Tosi writes: > This (and other) rant are a signal we should create a TEAM around any > fundamental packages in Debian, and python MUST NOT be and exception. > > Am I the only one (together with Angus, I'd say) believing python > deserves a better maintainership than the one it currently ha

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 02 décembre 2009 à 09:27 +0100, Sandro Tosi a écrit : > The problem with Python (interpreters packages) is the maintainer, > that's force us in his one-man-show and, as you can see, it's failing > loudly. Matthias is holding back the release and his not willing to > communicate to the

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:17, Ben Finney wrote: > Sandro Tosi writes: > >> This (and other) rant are a signal we should create a TEAM around any >> fundamental packages in Debian, and python MUST NOT be and exception. >> >> Am I the only one (together with Angus, I'd say) believing python >> dese

Re: Bug#558797: ITP: sessioninstaller -- APT based installer using PackgeKit's session DBus API

2009-12-02 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 04:21:31PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > > The confirmation, error reporting and progress notification of the > > installation is handled by sessioninstaller. Currently it comes only > > with a GTK based user interface. > Shouldn't this by 'only comes' instead of 'come

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:06:40 +0900, Angus wrote: >Or >otherwise, let someone else do it (like me). We actually need people showing traces of social skills, which you don't. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber | " Q

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 02/12/09 at 09:27 +0100, Sandro Tosi wrote: > Hello Angus, > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 09:06, Angus wrote: > > Python3 was released upstream exactly 1 year ago, but Python3.* still > > hasn't been released in Debian Unstable. > > Hell, even the even older Python2.6 is not there yet. > > > > I a

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > It's a bit too easy to behave like an ass and insult him, and then > complain that he is not talking to you or willing to work with you. There were several nice and friendly attempts to get this problem fixed behind the scenes - but Matthias didn't even bother to reply to

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Kartik Mistry
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > It's a bit too easy to behave like an ass and insult him, and then > complain that he is not talking to you or willing to work with you. Right. Let him talk about current status of Python in Debian. -- Cheers, Kartik Mistry | 0xD1028C8D

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Jeremiah Foster
On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:26, Sandro Tosi wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:17, Ben Finney wrote: >> Sandro Tosi writes: >> >>> This (and other) rant are a signal we should create a TEAM around any >>> fundamental packages in Debian, and python MUST NOT be and exception. >>> >>> Am I the only on

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 02 décembre 2009 à 12:07 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > Seriously, Sandro. Do you really think that, in Matthias' position, you > would agree to team-maintain Python with people that attack you so > harshly on public mailing lists? I certainly wouldn’t want to co-maintain anything

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Norbert Preining
HI all, I have no personal opinion on python, but seeing that the maintainer has not stepped up and at elast *explained* what is going on and why we are lacking behind several releases is not a good sign. On Mi, 02 Dez 2009, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > It's a bit too easy to behave like an ass and in

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
I agree that the current situation sucks. However, I've been involved in discussion with various developers on both sides (Debian and Ubuntu) that are interested in finding solutions. I'm still confident that we can reach a solution. But clearly, attacking each other like that is counter-productive

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Angus
> I agree that the current situation sucks. However, I've been involved in > discussion with various developers on both sides (Debian and Ubuntu) > that are interested in finding solutions. I'm still confident that we > can reach a solution. But clearly, attacking each other like that is > counter-

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 02/12/09 at 14:26 +0100, Norbert Preining wrote: > HI all, > > I have no personal opinion on python, but seeing that the maintainer > has not stepped up and at elast *explained* what is going on and why > we are lacking behind several releases is not a good sign. > > On Mi, 02 Dez 2009, Lucas

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mi, 02 Dez 2009, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Also, FWIW, I was told that Matthias is currently unable to read/answer > email. So don't put too much hope in a statement from him in the next > hours. Actually I don't care. I have used python only for a small applet that allows turning on/off rfkills

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009, Norbert Preining wrote: > Actually I don't care. I have used python only for a small applet > that allows turning on/off rfkills (why is there nothing in the world > by now, strange, maybe I should package it for debian, but I have http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mi, 02 Dez 2009, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=538389 Nice try, but I was talking about a GNOME/systray applet I wrote so that you can click-point turning on/off the various hardwares. This is currently only possible for the bluetooth in

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009, Norbert Preining wrote: > On Mi, 02 Dez 2009, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=538389 > > Nice try, but I was talking about a GNOME/systray applet I wrote > so that you can click-point turning on/off the various hardwares

DEP-5: removed files

2009-12-02 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Hi, I remember that debian/copyright should not only list where the source was downloaded from, but also the files which were removed by the packager and the motivation for the removal (DFSG, patents, large convenience copy of a library...). At least, that's how I interpret this (from [1]

Re: Bug#559134: ITP: shc -- a generic shell script compiler

2009-12-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Dec 02 2009, Milan P. Stanic wrote: > On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 15:58, Karl Goetz wrote: >> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:58:17 +0100 >> "Dario Minnucci \(midget\)" wrote: >> > * Package name: shc >> >> > shc's main purpose is to protect your shell scripts from >> > modification or inspection

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Henrique, not sure if it fits here, but still interesting. On Mi, 02 Dez 2009, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > Ah, ok. NetworkManager is supposed to be able to deal with rfkill, too But probably only for WLAN, not WWAN. And then, I don't want install the whole bunch of horrible NM onl

Re: Invitation to the BSP in Mönchengladbach (Germany), 22-24 January 2010

2009-12-02 Thread Adnan Hodzic
I'm definitely interested in participating! One question tho, since I'm from Bosnia, what other activities (perhaps involving Debian) could I be involved in during this whole week, since I wouldn't come to Germany just for two days ... suggestions? Share :) Adnan On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:27 P

Re: Bug#559134: ITP: shc -- a generic shell script compiler

2009-12-02 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Manoj Srivastava] > Having said that, I am not advocating blocking this package (nor > am I advocating accepting it), I am just commenting on the arguments > being presented here. Indeed, the thing to do would probably be to provide both shc and an equivalent decompiler - assuming of c

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009, Norbert Preining wrote: > > Just keep in mind that /dev/rfkill manipulates radios of a given _type_ > > as a group, and that an user could have many radios of the same type, > > *Really*?? I was looking into the rfkill code since I reimplemented > the protocol in my python app

Not-For-Us state

2009-12-02 Thread Matthijs Mohlmann
I'm the maintainer of pdns-recursor. This program uses swapcontext which is not available on all platforms. Recently the mips, mipsel and sparc architecture got support for those calls. So I sent a mail to @buildd.debian.org for enabling this. But until now I didn't get any response, so my quest

Re: Not-For-Us state

2009-12-02 Thread Luk Claes
Matthijs Mohlmann wrote: > I'm the maintainer of pdns-recursor. This program uses swapcontext which is > not available on all platforms. > > Recently the mips, mipsel and sparc architecture got support for those calls. > So I sent a mail to @buildd.debian.org > for enabling this. But until now I

Re: Not-For-Us state

2009-12-02 Thread Matthijs Mohlmann
On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:03 PM, Luk Claes wrote: > Matthijs Mohlmann wrote: >> I'm the maintainer of pdns-recursor. This program uses swapcontext which is >> not available on all platforms. >> >> Recently the mips, mipsel and sparc architecture got support for those >> calls. So I sent a mail to @b

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Ana Guerrero
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 05:06:40PM +0900, Angus wrote: > Python3 was released upstream exactly 1 year ago, but Python3.* still > hasn't been released in Debian Unstable. > Hell, even the even older Python2.6 is not there yet. > > I appreciate all the hard work that needs to done to maintain > pack

Re: Bug#559134: ITP: shc -- a generic shell script compiler

2009-12-02 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 08:48, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, Dec 02 2009, Milan P. Stanic wrote: > > > On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 15:58, Karl Goetz wrote: > >> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:58:17 +0100 > >> "Dario Minnucci \(midget\)" wrote: > >> > * Package name: shc > >> > >> > shc's main purpose i

is it ok to listen on a localhost port for tests during build time?

2009-12-02 Thread Serafeim Zanikolas
Hi all, I'm packaging an in-memory message queuing service [0] that ships tests, which require listening on a non-privileged port for the 1-2 seconds that the tests last. The service supports no authorisation/authentication and, as of now, has no way of limiting the size of inserted messages. Wou

mercurial-buildpackage, now with pristine-tar support

2009-12-02 Thread Jens Peter Secher
Executive summary: mercurial-buildpackage can now recreate pristine upstream tarballs. mercurial-buildpackage is a set of tools for maintining Debian packages in a Mercurial repository, and in version 0.2 you can run "mercurial-pristinetar 1.2.3" to recreate a tarball that is identical to the one

Re: mercurial-buildpackage, now with pristine-tar support

2009-12-02 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
2009/12/2 Jens Peter Secher > > Executive summary: mercurial-buildpackage can now recreate pristine > upstream tarballs. > Does it support 3.0 (quilt) and puts them into mercurial queues? That would be IMHO a killer feature (me is sad that git is getting used for packages so much I am still hopin

Re: Unversioned .so file in /usr/lib vs dh_makeshlibs vs postinst-must-call-ldconfig

2009-12-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Modestas Vainius writes: > On pirmadienis 23 Lapkritis 2009 23:35:28 Russ Allbery wrote: > >> Debian tries to avoid RPATH used in ways that might break multilib or >> override local administrator settings, which means we want to avoid >> RPATH pointing to /usr/lib or to build directories and the

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-02 Thread Bjørn Mork
Ana Guerrero writes: > If you really want to help, read the mail archive of the debian-python > mailing list [1] (optionally hang out in the IRC channel), and get > an idea of what the problem is. > I also advise to take a look to the archive to people participating > in this thread who has no