With this message I am unilaterally declaring myself a maintainer of
dpkg, and also declaring that Guillem is no longer a maintainer.
I have just made the hijack upload, dpkg 1.15.0, which contains
triggers support. You can find the specification in doc/ in the
source, or in /usr/share/doc/dpkg-d
Hi list,
Just a question.
In Developer Locations page(*), it seems that Debian Developer is in
Antarctic Continent... awesome! Is it real??
*) http://www.debian.org/devel/developers.loc
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On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 10:14:14PM +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> Just a question.
>
> In Developer Locations page(*), it seems that Debian Developer is in
> Antarctic Continent... awesome! Is it real??
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On dim, mar 09, 2008 at 11:28:13 +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> With this message I am unilaterally declaring myself a maintainer of
> dpkg, and also declaring that Guillem is no longer a maintainer.
>
> I have just made the hijack upload, dpkg 1.15.0, which contains
> triggers support. You can find
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 11:28:13AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> With this message I am unilaterally declaring myself a maintainer of
> dpkg, and also declaring that Guillem is no longer a maintainer.
How can you possibly consider this justified, without even passing
through the TC? I find your dec
Dear QA,
Please remove the tkchooser package from Debian.
* First removal request in 2004:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-qa/2004/12/msg00018.html
* An important bug (#160136) is open for 5 years and 183 days.
* The Standards-Version is old (3.7.3 instead of 3.5.9.0)
* Upstream is abandoned (L
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 10:05:34AM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 10:14:14PM +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote:
>> In Developer Locations page(*), it seems that Debian Developer is
>> in Antarctic Continent... awesome! Is it real??
> Not that one; someone made a sign error with hi
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 11:28:13AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> With this message I am unilaterally declaring myself a maintainer of
> dpkg, and also declaring that Guillem is no longer a maintainer.
I find this unacceptable. This kind of situations are precisely those
in which people should resort
On dim, mar 09, 2008 at 11:28:13 +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> REFERENCES, BACKGROUND and FURTHER DISCUSSION
>
>
> [1] Guillem persistently reintroducing errors, wholesale
>
> Here is an example of a big code change made by Guillem:
>
> http://git.debian.org/?p=dpkg/dpkg.git;a=commit;h=4e5846cc
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:50:16PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
>
> AHAHAHAHAHA I totally missed that part in the first read. You're
> totally on crack. Under C, NULL is defined as (void *)0
> (and *NOT* (char *)0 that is TOTALLY wrong for obvious reasons), and
> "someone" is not going to #defi
On Sun, 09 Mar 2008, Ian Jackson wrote:
> With this message I am unilaterally declaring myself a maintainer of
> dpkg, and also declaring that Guillem is no longer a maintainer.
For the record, Ian has been removed from the "dpkg" group on Alioth and
we asked for an UNACCEPT of his upload, but I'm
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:21:47PM +, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:50:16PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> >
> > AHAHAHAHAHA I totally missed that part in the first read. You're
> > totally on crack. Under C, NULL is defined as (void *)0
> > (and *NOT* (char *)0 that is TO
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 04:30:01PM +0100, Daniel van Eeden wrote:
> Dear QA,
>
> Please remove the tkchooser package from Debian.
The following page contains information on requesting a package removal:
http://wiki.debian.org/ftpmaster_Removals
Regards,
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On Sun, 09 Mar 2008, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > [2] Reformatting changes
> >
> > Guillem has been engaging in a programme of reformatting and restyling
> > of dpkg's code.
>
> I agree that it's necessarily a good idea to reformat the code but you
^
not
> brou
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 06:34:48PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:21:47PM +, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:50:16PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > >
> > > AHAHAHAHAHA I totally missed that part in the first read. You're
> > > totally on crack
Ian Jackson wrote:
[4] Why not ask the Technical Committee to rule ?
The TC has not shown great dynamism in recent months. I have tried
quite hard as a TC member to get various questions that were put to
the TC decided, and the results have not been encouraging.
In any case, asking the TC abou
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 06:48:41PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> 6.3.2.3 Pointers
> [...]
> 3 An integer constant expression with the value 0, or
>such an expression cast to type void *, is called a null
>pointer constant.55) If a null pointer constant is assigned
>to or
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 06:00:31PM +, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 06:48:41PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > 6.3.2.3 Pointers
> > [...]
> > 3 An integer constant expression with the value 0, or
> >such an expression cast to type void *, is called a null
> >po
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Finally, of course, I am on the Technical Committee. For me to appeal
> this dispute to it in this way would seem too much like me using it as
> a personal bludgeon.
You could also appeal this dispute to it and not take part in the vote,
so that the TC's
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 06:34:48PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> Here is the relevant C99 quote:
>
>
> § 7.17 Common definitions
> [...]
> 3 The macros are
> NULL
> which expands to an implementation-defined null pointer constant; and
>
>
> 0 is not a pointer, hen
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:50:16PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> I fully support Guillem changes. C99 is almost 10 years old, we're
> coding dpkg for Debian, in a sane C99/POSIX/X-OPEN/whatever
> environment.
Hmm... Not really. GCC's default mode is still C89+GNU extensions. It
is true that t
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 07:09:39PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> Well, I read it that way:
>
> An integer constant expression with the value 0 (or such an
> expression) cast to type void *, is called a null pointer constant.55)
Well, don't read it that way - the commas in the original versi
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:13:14PM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
> So he's really in very-northern Finland/Sweden/Norway/Russia?
If I recall correctly, he was somewhere in or around Michigan.
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On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 06:16:03PM +, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:50:16PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
>
> > I fully support Guillem changes. C99 is almost 10 years old, we're
> > coding dpkg for Debian, in a sane C99/POSIX/X-OPEN/whatever
> > environment.
>
> Hm
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 07:17:44PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 06:16:03PM +, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:50:16PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
>>> I fully support Guillem changes. C99 is almost 10 years old, we're
>>> coding dpkg for De
On Sun, 09 Mar 2008, Clint Adams wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 10:14:14PM +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote:
> > In Developer Locations page(*), it seems that Debian Developer is in
> > Antarctic Continent... awesome! Is it real??
>
> Not that one; someone made a sign error with his coordinates.
C
Pierre Habouzit writes ("Re: dpkg semi-hijack - an announcement (also,
triggers)"):
> What a brilliant success for your new upload !
> http://buildd.debian.org/~jeroen/status/package.php?p=dpkg
This was due to a buggy translation update (predating my efforts, but
not yet uploaded by anyone). It
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 02:17:04PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:13:14PM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
> > So he's really in very-northern Finland/Sweden/Norway/Russia?
>
> If I recall correctly, he was somewhere in or around Michigan.
>
Which really is not all that di
Pierre Habouzit writes ("Re: dpkg semi-hijack - an announcement (also,
triggers)"):
> AHAHAHAHAHA I totally missed that part in the first read. You're
> totally on crack. Under C, NULL is defined as (void *)0
> (and *NOT* (char *)0 that is TOTALLY wrong for obvious reasons), and
> "someone" is n
On Sun, 09 Mar 2008, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Mar 2008, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > With this message I am unilaterally declaring myself a maintainer of
> > dpkg, and also declaring that Guillem is no longer a maintainer.
>
> For the record, Ian has been removed from the "dpkg" group on Alio
On Sun March 9 2008 12:27:59 Faidon Liambotis wrote:
> I can't understand how a Debian Developer, let alone a Technical
> Comittee member, can find it acceptable to hijack a package actively
> maintained because of technical disagreements with its maintainer.
> Especially if that package is a core
Raphael Hertzog writes ("Re: dpkg semi-hijack - an announcement (also,
triggers)"):
> You can also read the log of #debian-dpkg since friday evening where I
> spent two hours with him trying to find some compromise so that he can
> contribute to dpkg. He just ignored everything we said and took th
Hi,
On Sun, 2008-03-09 at 19:27 +, Faidon Liambotis wrote:
> You're hurting the credibility of the comittee and of the whole
> project.
> That's much more important than a disagreement on a technical matter.
On the other hand allowing dpkg to be maintained in the way that it
presently is, is
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 06:34:36PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Pierre Habouzit writes ("Re: dpkg semi-hijack - an announcement (also,
> triggers)"):
> > If you're so afraid that one of the included headers defines NULL to
> > '0', then just assert (__builtin_types_compatible(NULL, void *))
> > s
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 06:53:23PM +, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Sun March 9 2008 12:27:59 Faidon Liambotis wrote:
> > I can't understand how a Debian Developer, let alone a Technical
> > Comittee member, can find it acceptable to hijack a package actively
> > maintained because of technical disagre
On Sun, 09 Mar 2008, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Can you tell us in which situations we have "#define NULL 0"
> > as opposed to "#define NULL (void*)0" ?
>
> Some C libraries do this for the benefit of broken old programs which
> use NULL when they mean an integer or character0. C99 says it's legal
>
Raphael Hertzog writes ("Re: dpkg semi-hijack - an announcement (also,
triggers)"):
> The package got unaccepted by Anthony Towns.
OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET SOMETHING DONE AROUND HERE?
SIX MONTHS THIS IMPORTANT CODE HAS JUST BEEN SITTING THERE
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Ian Jackson writes ("Re: dpkg semi-hijack - an announcement (also, triggers)"):
> Raphael Hertzog writes ("Re: dpkg semi-hijack - an announcement (also,
> triggers)"):
> OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET SOMETHING DONE AROUND HERE?
> SIX MONTHS THIS IMPORTANT CODE HAS JUST BEEN SITTING T
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On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 11:28:13AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
>
> [1] Guillem persistently reintroducing errors, wholesale
>
> Here is an example of a big code change made by Guillem:
>
> http://git.debian.org/?p=dpkg/dpkg.git;a=commit;h=4e5846ccd3dcc33504aba8ef35a8962bccfd562e
> However this i
On Sun, 2008-03-09 at 20:38 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> And what is the problem exactly? The delay in patch integration?
A six month delay is unacceptable for code review. If it takes six
months, then new leadership is clearly required.
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On Sun March 9 2008 13:44:08 Roger Leigh wrote:
> I seriously can't believe that you hijacked this over a disagreement
> about the definition/usage of NULL. Include and be done
> with it already--it's not like this is a pressing or difficult problem
> that warranted this action!
Roger,
NULL is
On 09/03/2008, Mike Bird wrote:
> Ian hijacked his own program back from the people who had been
> blocking updates for six months - including the triggers enhancement
> which is needed for boot time improvements
Is dpkg handling the boot sequence? Or are you confusing that with
dependency-based i
Hi,
On Sun, 2008-03-09 at 13:19 -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> including the triggers enhancement which is
> needed for boot time improvements and which should simplify some other
> packaging issues.
I think you mean package install-time improvements, due to postponing
ldconfig until the end of the in
William Pitcock a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 2008-03-09 at 13:19 -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
>> including the triggers enhancement which is
>> needed for boot time improvements and which should simplify some other
>> packaging issues.
>
> I think you mean package install-time improvements, due to post
William Pitcock wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-03-09 at 20:38 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > And what is the problem exactly? The delay in patch integration?
If you'd look at submitting patches to dpkg from the perspective of any
recent patch submitter, I'd think that the problem would be clear.
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William Pitcock wrote:
> I think you mean package install-time improvements, due to postponing
> ldconfig until the end of the installation. However, I am not sure how
> useful this is because many maintainer scripts not generated by
> debhelper call ldconfig locally.
>
> Obviously the maintainer
On Sun March 9 2008 14:46:50 Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> On 09/03/2008, Mike Bird wrote:
> > Ian hijacked his own program back from the people who had been
> > blocking updates for six months - including the triggers enhancement
> > which is needed for boot time improvements
>
> Is dpkg handling the b
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 11:05:11PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
> * You need to be familiar with how the wide variety Debian packages
> are maintained, patched and built. If you're not scared by
> packages generating their patch series by applying sed statements
> from cdbs include files
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Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 02:17:04PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:13:14PM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
>>> So he's really in very-northern Finland/Sweden/Norway/Russia?
>> If I recall correctly, he was somewhere in or around Michigan.
>>
> Wh
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 02:17:15PM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Sun March 9 2008 14:46:50 Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> > Is dpkg handling the boot sequence? Or are you confusing that with
> > dependency-based initscripts?
>
> I hope I'm not mis-stating Frans's position when I say that Frans
> believes
Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Ian hijacked his own program back from the people who had been blocking
> updates for six months - including the triggers enhancement which is
> needed for boot time improvements
dpkg triggers are nice to have, but they are not the reason why we
haven't swi
I'm going to have to agree with this; I admin m68k buildds; I had to
preinstall most of the texex packages simply because it was taking hours
(and that is not an exaggeration) to install them all, and then remove
them all again. A trigger based system would help relieve this problem. I
had a si
Adam writes:
> To put it in perspective, Michigan is at the same latitude as northern
> half of Italy or even Spain.
Michigan extends from about 42N to about 48N: about from Rome to Munich.
> Most of Canadians live south of the latitude of London, UK.
A fact which caused considerable consternati
On Sun March 9 2008 16:07:58 Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:
> Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Ian hijacked his own program back from the people who had been blocking
> > updates for six months - including the triggers enhancement which is
> > needed for boot time improvements
>
> dpkg trig
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:21:19PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote:
> Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 02:17:04PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
> >> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:13:14PM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
> >>> So he's really in very-northern Finland/Sweden/Norway/Russia?
> >>
[Not subscribed, Cc if you want me to see it.]
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 01:19:58PM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> Ian hijacked his own program back from the people who had been blocking
> updates for six months
So Ian Murdock would be perfectly entitled to kick out the DAM, DPL, TC,
DSA, and all others
Dear MIPS porters,
Despite the hard work you made for your buildds, the backlog is stil
stabilizing to a level that blocks into unstable the packages that
evolve at the periphery of the Debian galaxy, such as scientific
applications.
In order to help the people maintaining such packages to orgain
On 10/03/2008, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Dear MIPS porters,
Dear Charles,
> Despite the hard work you made for your buildds, the backlog is stil
> stabilizing to a level that blocks into unstable the packages that
> evolve at the periphery of the Debian galaxy, such as scientific
> applications.
d
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 07:52:28PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Mar 2008, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > On Sun, 09 Mar 2008, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > > With this message I am unilaterally declaring myself a maintainer of
> > > dpkg, and also declaring that Guillem is no longer a maintainer
[Not CCing -dpkg anymore, not relevant there]
Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Triggers are "needed" - a necessary condition, or at least a highly
> desirable condition - for efficient installation of packages in order
> to avoid unnecessary repetitive global reorderings of the initscript
>
On Sun March 9 2008 17:30:51 Daniel Stone wrote:
> [Not subscribed, Cc if you want me to see it.]
>
> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 01:19:58PM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> > Ian hijacked his own program back from the people who had been blocking
> > updates for six months
>
> So Ian Murdock would be perfect
On 2008-03-10, Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think it unlikely that the DAM, DPL, TC, and DSA would block useful
> updates to Debian for six months
Welcome to real world.
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On Sun March 9 2008 18:40:25 Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:
> Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > In simple terms: "dpkg triggers" is a highly desirable precondition for
> > dependency-based initscripts, but so are several other preconditions,
> > not least of which is a substantial test perio
Riku Voipio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 06:34:36PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> Pierre Habouzit writes:
>>> If you're so afraid that one of the included headers defines NULL to
>>> '0', then just assert (__builtin_types_compatible(NULL, void *))
>>> somewhere and be don
On 09-Mar-08, 19:30 (CDT), Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was going to ask on which grounds exactly you were judging the dpkg
> team's competence (and that of iwj's: have you reviewed the branch
> yourself? can you confidently say that it's all fine?),
The problem is not the dpkg tea
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 10:38:44PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
> On 09-Mar-08, 19:30 (CDT), Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I was going to ask on which grounds exactly you were judging the dpkg
> > team's competence (and that of iwj's: have you reviewed the branch
> > yourself? can y
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[Mike Bird]
> I hope I'm not mis-stating Frans's position when I say that Frans
> believes dpkg triggers are the best way to install dependency-based
> initscripts[0].
I believe your understanding of Frans' position is fairly correct, but
it differ from mine, and I am the one behind the dependenc
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