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2007-10-12 Thread Larry Perry
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Handling of poorly maintained and useless packages

2007-10-12 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, This mail tries to address the problem of not orphaned, poorly maintained or useless packages in Debian. The proposal below tries to address both cases, because they are often related. (useless packages tend to be poorly maintained, and vice-versa). [I originally planned to discuss this durin

Re: migration and installation 50 THOUSAND machines

2007-10-12 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 11/10/07 at 17:58 -0700, andremachado wrote: > What tools are suitable for some of the remaining tasks: managing > systems, user accounts, monitoring such big deployment? To connect to all the systems and execute commands on them, you can have a look at taktuk and kanif (a frontend for taktuk t

Re: migration and installation 50 THOUSAND machines

2007-10-12 Thread Henning Glawe
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 08:40:44AM +0200, Henning Glawe wrote: > In my experience, a FAI setup like this scales quite well (although the > updating frontend FAI-updater would need some improvements to scale better). ok, a few side remarks to the scaling of "fai softupdate" style of configuration m

Re: Handling of poorly maintained and useless packages

2007-10-12 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2007-10-12, Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] full ack to whatever you wrote here - and thank you for your nice work with this. > It's important to decide on reasonable delays. > - If the procedure takes too long, it will be discouraging I think that your proposed "times" falls

Re: Handling of poorly maintained and useless packages

2007-10-12 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 07:13:11AM +, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Hi, > > This mail tries to address the problem of not orphaned, poorly maintained > or useless packages in Debian. The proposal below tries to address both > cases, because they are often related. (useless packages tend to be poorly

Re: UTF-8 manual pages

2007-10-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 11 octobre 2007 à 12:22 +0100, Colin Watson a écrit : > My original plan was that UTF-8 manual pages should be installed in > /usr/share/man/.UTF-8/ (unless your language is Chinese or > Portuguese, just use the language code, not the country code, so for > example French manual pages woul

Re: Handling of poorly maintained and useless packages

2007-10-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 12 octobre 2007 à 09:13 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > This mail tries to address the problem of not orphaned, poorly maintained > or useless packages in Debian. The proposal below tries to address both > cases, because they are often related. (useless packages tend to be poorly > ma

Re: UTF-8 manual pages

2007-10-12 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 10:00:21AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 11 octobre 2007 à 12:22 +0100, Colin Watson a écrit : > > My original plan was that UTF-8 manual pages should be installed in > > /usr/share/man/.UTF-8/ (unless your language is Chinese or > > Portuguese, just use the lang

Re: Handling of poorly maintained and useless packages

2007-10-12 Thread Leo "costela" Antunes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Josselin Mouette wrote: >> Some additional info might also be useful: >> - age of last upload >> - WNPP status (O, RFH, RFA) (for how long?) >> - Maintainer's MIA status >> - number of packages maintained by the maintainer >> - number of maintainers fo

Re: Handling of poorly maintained and useless packages

2007-10-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Lucas Nussbaum schrieb: > Hi, > > This mail tries to address the problem of not orphaned, poorly maintained > or useless packages in Debian. The proposal below tries to address both > cases, because they are often related. (useless packages tend to be poorly > maintained, and vice-versa). I whole

Bug#446387: ITP: libtest-expect-perl -- Test::Expect - Automated driving and testing of terminal-based programs

2007-10-12 Thread Peter Makholm
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libtest-expect-perl Version : 0.30 Upstream Author : Leon Brocard, C<< <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-Expect/ * License : as perl, GPL or

Re: Handling of poorly maintained and useless packages

2007-10-12 Thread Kevin Mark
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 09:13:11AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Hi, > > This mail tries to address the problem of not orphaned, poorly maintained > or useless packages in Debian. The proposal below tries to address both > cases, because they are often related. (useless packages tend to be poorly

Re: Handling of poorly maintained and useless packages

2007-10-12 Thread Steve Greenland
On 12-Oct-07, 02:13 (CDT), Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Proposed workflow > - > Suspicious packages are found by combining different metrics into a > scoring system: > - popcon score You might need to be a little careful with this one. A package can be quite useful

Re: Handling of poorly maintained and useless packages

2007-10-12 Thread Giovanni Mascellani
All'incirca Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:13:11 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sembrerebbe aver scritto: > I think that the following makes sense: > - For packages where orphaning was proposed: 50 days > - For packages where removal was proposed: 100 days I am not a DD, so my opinion is not ver

Re: Handling of poorly maintained and useless packages

2007-10-12 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Michael Biebl dies 12/10/2007 hora 15:06: > > - For packages where orphaning was proposed: 50 days > > - For packages where removal was proposed: 100 days > As sune suggested, 1 and 2 months would be enough imo. As a compromise, the delay to orphan a package could be set to 1 month when th

Re: UTF-8 manual pages

2007-10-12 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 12:22:18PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > I have uploaded man-db 2.5.0-1, which includes the following changes of > note: [...] > > groff does not yet support UTF-8 input, so at the moment this is > implemented by recoding in man. For the time being, the implementation > req

Re: UTF-8 manual pages

2007-10-12 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 12:42:49PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > I don't much like any of the switch ideas, since they would probably > not be able to express all possible collections of man pages (given > debhelper's current command line parser). The manpage:encoding idea > could work, but might have

Bug#446388: ITP: libexpect-simple-perl -- Expect::Simple - wrapper around the Expect module

2007-10-12 Thread Peter Makholm
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libexpect-simple-perl Version : 0.03 Upstream Author : Diab Jerius ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Expect-Simple/ * License : GPL Programming Lan

Re: UTF-8 manual pages

2007-10-12 Thread Joey Hess
Colin Watson wrote: > > I don't much like any of the switch ideas, since they would probably > > not be able to express all possible collections of man pages (given > > debhelper's current command line parser). The manpage:encoding idea > > could work, but might have ambiguity issues with man pages

Re: UTF-8 manual pages

2007-10-12 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 12:42:49PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > The manpage:encoding idea could work, but might have ambiguity issues > with man pages with colons in their name I think that's solvable by taking the last colon. I don't think encodings have colons in them. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho

Re: UTF-8 manual pages

2007-10-12 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 08:51:31AM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > Hi, > > o Per-locale directory handling has been improved. Directories such > > as "fr.UTF-8" may be used for occasions when it is appropriate to > > specify the character set but not the country, and so a

Re: UTF-8 manual pages

2007-10-12 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 12:03:56PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 08:51:31AM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > > I assume UTF-8 / local-encoding detection can fail sometimes; which > > encoding has precedence? > > You're right, it can. It's much more likely that a random non-UTF

Re: Testing parallel builds

2007-10-12 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Manoj Srivastava dies 09/10/2007 hora 00:04: > It is kinda scary that my typical ./debian/rules has a minimum of 61 > targets, and that is just the base number. But it sure makes for > pretty pictures :) How did you generate those dependency graphs, BTW? I didn't find anything relevant in

Re: UTF-8 manual pages

2007-10-12 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 01:41:49PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 12:42:49PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > The manpage:encoding idea could work, but might have ambiguity issues > > with man pages with colons in their name > > I think that's solvable by taking the las

Re: Testing parallel builds

2007-10-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:34:45 +0200, Pierre THIERRY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Scribit Manoj Srivastava dies 09/10/2007 hora 00:04: >> It is kinda scary that my typical ./debian/rules has a minimum of 61 >> targets, and that is just the base number. But it sure makes for >> pretty pictures :) >

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-10-12 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 10:49:13PM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 10:09:19PM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 09:26:23PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Attached is a patch to dpkg which implements a check for a 'build-arch' > > > target usin

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-10-12 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 10:09:19PM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 09:26:23PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Attached is a patch to dpkg which implements a check for a 'build-arch' > > target using 'make -f debian/rules -qn build-arch'. > > Is there actually a defined s

Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-10-12 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 02:13:49PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 10:49:13PM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > > No answer? I would like to work on this, but someone would need to > > answer my questions about it... > > > (explicetly sending to vorlon, too, ignoring the M-F

Re: Handling of poorly maintained and useless packages

2007-10-12 Thread Raphael Geissert
Kevin Mark wrote: > On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 09:13:11AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: >> Hi, >> >> This mail tries to address the problem of not orphaned, poorly maintained >> or useless packages in Debian. The proposal below tries to address both >> cases, because they are often related. (useless

Re: Handling of poorly maintained and useless packages

2007-10-12 Thread Raphael Geissert
Steve Greenland wrote: > On 12-Oct-07, 02:13 (CDT), Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Proposed workflow >> - >> Suspicious packages are found by combining different metrics into a >> scoring system: >> - popcon score > > You might need to be a little careful with this

Packages looking for a new home (RFAs)

2007-10-12 Thread Steffen Joeris
Hi folks Unfortunately, I have to admit that I can not give all my packages the best care anymore. My spare time is limited and a lot is already used for other debian stuff. I will try to keep up with the other packages and see how that goes. If I find out that they are better off without me, I