Question about toolchain and objdump's output on ia64/mips/mipsel

2007-08-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, while working on http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/ImprovedDpkgShlibdeps I'm discovering some arch-specific differences in the "objdump -T" output of libraries. * On ia64, static functions appear in objdump's output and they are marked as "local". See my previous message to debian-ia64:

Re: Bug#437392: debhelper: subroutine "isnative" in Dh_Lib.pm is confused by NMU of native package

2007-08-14 Thread Julian Andres Klode
Am Montag, den 13.08.2007, 22:26 +0200 schrieb Julian Andres Klode: > Am Montag, den 13.08.2007, 15:50 -0400 schrieb Joey Hess: > > > Policy is actually careful to set up the invarient that "-" anywhere in > > a version number means the package is not native. I don't know why the > > developers re

Re: Question about toolchain and objdump's output on ia64/mips/mipsel

2007-08-14 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hello, > > while working on http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/ImprovedDpkgShlibdeps > I'm discovering some arch-specific differences in the "objdump -T" > output of libraries. > > * On ia64, static functions appear in objdump's output and they are marked > as "local". >

Re: Bug#437392: debhelper: subroutine "isnative" in Dh_Lib.pm is confused by NMU of native package

2007-08-14 Thread Joey Hess
(Please keep debian-devel in the CC. This issue is a project-wide isssue.) Bart Martens wrote: > How do other tools this? Other well-respected tools in debhelper's situation, such as? yada It introduces a completely nonstandard Upstream-Source field in debian/control which it tak

Re: Bug#437392: debhelper: subroutine "isnative" in Dh_Lib.pm is confused by NMU of native package

2007-08-14 Thread Julien Cristau
On Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 13:38:04 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Bart Martens wrote: > > Policy states that if there is no "debian_revision" then hyphens "-" are > > not allowed in the "upstream_version". > > http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version > > Policy also state

Re: Bug#437392: debhelper: subroutine "isnative" in Dh_Lib.pm is confused by NMU of native package

2007-08-14 Thread Julien Cristau
On Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 19:45:11 +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > It also implies that if there is no debian_revision, upstream_version > can contain a hyphen. > No it doesn't. Sorry about that... Cheers, Julien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Tro

Re: Bug#437392: debhelper: subroutine "isnative" in Dh_Lib.pm is confused by NMU of native package

2007-08-14 Thread luk
On Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 01:38:04PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Bart Martens wrote: > > Policy does not explicitly state that the presence/absence of a > > "debian_revision" or that the presence/absence of hyphen(s) "-" indicate > > whether or not the package is a "native Debian package". > >

Request for ideas how to fix #297074

2007-08-14 Thread Marcin Owsiany
First, a short explanation of the use case: 1. User runs poedit (aka potooledit) on a partially translated po file. 2. Poedit retrieves only the untranslated messages from the file (by filtering it through potool -fnt) and puts them into a temporary po file 3. Poedit launches $EDITOR on that

Re: Bug#437392: debhelper: subroutine "isnative" in Dh_Lib.pm is confused by NMU of native package

2007-08-14 Thread Joey Hess
(For the second time, please preserve my CC.) Bart Martens wrote: > Yes, lintian. Two examples where lintian seems to follow/accept the > numbering described in developer's reference: > > Example one: Try doing an NMU of dh-make-php with adding ".0.1". Then > lintian produces this warning: > W:

Re: Bug#437392: debhelper: subroutine "isnative" in Dh_Lib.pm is confused by NMU of native package

2007-08-14 Thread Joey Hess
Julien Cristau wrote: > It also implies that if there is no debian_revision, upstream_version > can contain a hyphen. Utterly false: The may contain only alphanumerics[1] and the characters `.' `+' `-' `:' (full stop, plus, hyphen, colon) and should start with a di

Bug#437392: Info received and FILED only (was Bug#437392: debhelper: subroutine "isnative" in Dh_Lib.pm is confused by NMU of native package)

2007-08-14 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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Re: Bug#437392: debhelper: subroutine "isnative" in Dh_Lib.pm is confused by NMU of native package

2007-08-14 Thread Joey Hess
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Because it may be more important to be able to identify an NMU from the > version number than to be able to identify a native package from the > version number... I don't see why it's important to be able to tell that from a version number at all. It's also not the ratio

Re: making debian/copyright machine-interpretable

2007-08-14 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 07:17:59PM +0200, Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hello, I would like to gather comments about a proposal I have been > thinking about during the GPLv2/v3 and GPLv2/CDDL discussions. I have > finally written down what I have in mind here, and refined it with the

Re: Bug#437392: debhelper: subroutine "isnative" in Dh_Lib.pm is confused by NMU of native package

2007-08-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (For the second time, please preserve my CC.) > Bart Martens wrote: >> Yes, lintian. Two examples where lintian seems to follow/accept the >> numbering described in developer's reference: >> Example one: Try doing an NMU of dh-make-php with adding ".0.1"

Re: Considerations for GTK1 removal from Debian

2007-08-14 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:57:51 +0200 "Carl Fürstenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I knew that my list was incomplete, so if you want to regenerate the > page, use following perl script: > > #!/usr/bin/perl > > use strict; > use warnings; > use Parse::DebControl; Carl - that module is in CPAN

Re: Considerations for GTK1 removal from Debian

2007-08-14 Thread Carl Fürstenberg
On 8/14/07, Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:57:51 +0200 > "Carl Fürstenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I knew that my list was incomplete, so if you want to regenerate the > > page, use following perl script: > > > > #!/usr/bin/perl > > > > use strict; > > u

Bug#437933: ITP: libparse-debcontrol-perl -- Parse::DebControl - Parse debian-style control files (and other colon key-value fields)

2007-08-14 Thread Carl Fürstenberg
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Carl Fürstenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libparse-debcontrol-perl Version : 2.005 Upstream Author : Jay Bonci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://search.cpan.org/~jaybonci/Parse-DebControl-2.005/ * License : A

native NMUs

2007-08-14 Thread Joey Hess
NMUs of native packages have always seemed sorta strange to me, and I think I've figured out why as I was painting a room. Painting is a great way to think, since you already are in a frame of mind that avoids painting yourself into corners. ;-) Many native packages are not Debian-specifc software

Re: native NMUs

2007-08-14 Thread James Westby
On (14/08/07 17:44), Joey Hess wrote: > Many native packages are not Debian-specifc software, but instead > debian-originated software (examples: dpkg, apt). Other unrelated distros > might choose to use native Debian software. Just because it's > debian-originated software, doesn't mean that the p

Re: native NMUs

2007-08-14 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 05:44:52PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > NMUs of native packages have always seemed sorta strange to me, and I think > I've figured out why as I was painting a room. Painting is a great way to > think, since you already are in a frame of mind that avoids painting yourself > into

Bug#437392: native NMUs

2007-08-14 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007, James Westby wrote: > Also, I guess you are opening up the possibility of creating a > source package containing both a .tar.gz and .diff.gz, which will > also confuse some tools I expect. Those tools really should be looking at the dsc or calling dpkg-source -x instead (which

Plans for gs-esp / gs-gpl / gs-afpl in lenny?

2007-08-14 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi everyone, recently ghostscript 8.60 was released [1] which is now available under the GPL. The features of ESP Ghostscript have been merged into Ghostscript GPL and the upstream of gs-esp has officially declared gs-esp obsolete [2]. The Debian gs-afpl package has been orphaned some time ago [3

Re: native NMUs

2007-08-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 05:44:52PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: >> We could do away with the concept of NMUs of native software, and do >> away with this uncertanty, ambiguity, bugginess, etc. Simply say that >> when a NMU of a native package is done, the pa

Bug#437917: ITP: audtty -- ncurses based frontend for audacious

2007-08-14 Thread Chris Taylor
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Package name: audtty Version: 0.1.5a Upstream Author: Tony Vroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Christian Birchinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kiyoshi Aman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> URL:

Re: native NMUs

2007-08-14 Thread Joey Hess
James Westby wrote: > However you say > > The .orig.tar.gz from the maintainer's last release is kept in the archive > > but for a native package there is no .orig.tar.gz, there is a .tar.gz. You're right. I wonder if there's a good way to deal with this discreprency and rename the .tar.gz to

Re: native NMUs

2007-08-14 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Langasek wrote: > I'm in total agreement with this. I was staying out of this thread because > I've been one of the proponents of using -0.x for NMUs of native packages in > spite of the inconsistency with Policy, and I wasn't sure that this > reasoning wasn't just a post-hoc rationalization

Re: native NMUs

2007-08-14 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 08:20:25PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Steve Langasek wrote: > > I'm in total agreement with this. I was staying out of this thread because > > I've been one of the proponents of using -0.x for NMUs of native packages in > > spite of the inconsistency with Policy, and I wasn'

Bug#437936: ITP: ladr -- deduction library, theorem prover and countermodel generator

2007-08-14 Thread Peter Collingbourne
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Peter Collingbourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: ladr Version : 0.0.200708 Upstream Author : William McCune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.cs.unm.edu/~mccune/mace4/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C D

Bug#437944: ITP: prover9-doc -- documentation for Prover9 and associated programs

2007-08-14 Thread Peter Collingbourne
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Peter Collingbourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: prover9-doc Version : 0.0.200708 Upstream Author : William McCune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.cs.unm.edu/~mccune/mace4/ * License : GPL Programming Lang

Bug#437955: ITP: keysafe -- A safe to put your passwords in

2007-08-14 Thread Magnus Therning
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Magnus Therning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: keysafe Version : 0.3.5 Upstream Author : Magnus Therning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://therning.org/magnus/computer/keysafe * License : GPL Programming Lang: Pyt

Re: native NMUs

2007-08-14 Thread John Goerzen
On Tuesday 14 August 2007 4:44:52 pm Joey Hess wrote: > Many native packages are not Debian-specifc software, but instead > debian-originated software (examples: dpkg, apt). Other unrelated distros > might choose to use native Debian software. Just because it's > debian-originated software, doesn't

Re: conflicting gssapi libraries

2007-08-14 Thread Brian May
So in summary, what is the verdict? I am inclined to add a non-versioned conflicts for now, as I suspect it might be a while before this can be solved in a better way. Also: No, I don't want to maintain a patch in Heimdal that renames the library. If upstream could be convinced to rename the lib

Re: Request for ideas how to fix #297074

2007-08-14 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Marcin Owsiany] > What happens in step 3 is that vim looks at an ascii-only file (since > msgids are in POSIX locale) and when the user inputs the translation in > her own language, the editor decides to use encoding B (since it's the > locale default). > > Then in step 5 poedit merges the origi

Re: Question about toolchain and objdump's output on ia64/mips/mipsel

2007-08-14 Thread Ian Wienand
On Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 02:03:16PM +0100, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > I presume this applies only to static functions whose address wasn't > taken inside the module. Otherwise this would be a bug for e.g. callbacks > exported via a function pointer. I mentioned it in my reply to Raphael [1] but I think

Short report on Debian at UseR! 2007 conference at Iowa State Univ.

2007-08-14 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
UseR! 2007 at Iowa State University, Ames, IA, August 8-10, 2007 Following two successful UseR! conferences in Vienna in 2004 and 2006, the first North American UseR! was help last week at Iowa State. I presented two papers of which one has specific Debian content (more on that one below). I.