Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-07-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Olaf van der Spek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 6/22/05, Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> [Olaf van der Spek] >> > I've been wondering, would it be an idea (for the long-term) to use >> > (more) distributed ... or p2p concepts to reduce the dependency and >> > load on central s

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-07-04 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Hello On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 04:39:04PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 04:57:58PM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 05:21:51PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > `Depends' > > > This declares an absolute dependency. A package will not be > > >

Re: Package distribution, a concept for a modern package distribution

2005-07-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Otto Wyss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Since around last October, I've considered to make my concept for a > modern package distribution public but I wanted to wait until > Debian/sarge was released which is now the case. And since the Debconf5 > in Helsinki is just around the corner it's about t

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-07-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> 1) foo and foo-data. There is usualy no reason for foo-data to depend on >> foo. foo-data does not provide user-visible interface, only data, so it >> does not need to depend on foo. > > However, we have some users randomly filing bugs on > foo-data t

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-07-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 07:39:16PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: >> >> Perhaps we should just move to section libs any package which is >> useless by itself, and it's only useful in combination with others, >> much like libraries, but without requiring t

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-07-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Le vendredi 24 juin 2005 à 17:21 +0200, Bill Allombert a écrit : >> I see two easy case: >> >> 1) foo and foo-data. There is usualy no reason for foo-data to depend on >> foo. foo-data does not provide user-visible interface, only data, so it >> does

Re: GCC version change / C++ ABI change

2005-07-04 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Otavio Salvador wrote: > Thiemo Seufer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Junichi Uekawa wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> > This week, we will change the GCC default versions from 3.3 to 4.0 > >> > >> Would it break kernel 2.4 builds somehow ? > >> I've not been quite following; but the thread almost a

Re: GCC version change / C++ ABI change

2005-07-04 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:12:21AM +0200, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > Most kernel hackers don't care that much about 2.4 any more. This is of course one of the reasons why users feel left alone by the kernel developers. Greetings Marc -- --

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-07-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Le jeudi 30 juin 2005 à 13:12 -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva a écrit : >> Why not simply puting the loader inside the library package? If the >> loader should always be together with the library, then make them one >> package and be done with it. >> >>

Re: GCC version change / C++ ABI change

2005-07-04 Thread Horms
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:12:21AM +0200, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > Otavio Salvador wrote: > > Thiemo Seufer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Junichi Uekawa wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> > This week, we will change the GCC default versions from 3.3 to 4.0 > > >> > > >> Would it break kernel

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-07-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 02:51:52PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: >> In all that cases, you can _either_: >> >> 3) change the shlibs file to document the dependency on the library, e.g >> change libfontconfig1.shlibs to >> libfontconfig 1 libfontconfig1

Re: dummy packages and "Replaces:" field

2005-07-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gustavo Noronha Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Em Qui, 2005-06-23 às 12:39 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez escreveu: >> OK. That is what I am looking for. I want to completely replace the >> two packages that cannot coexist with the new icewmcp package. >> Currently, I must use dummy packages fo

Re: GCC version change / C++ ABI change

2005-07-04 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:12:21AM +0200, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > Most kernel hackers don't care that much about 2.4 any more. > > This is of course one of the reasons why users feel left alone by the > kernel developers. The gcc version recommended by upstream is still 2.95.

Re: dummy packages and "Replaces:" field

2005-07-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Margarita Manterola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 6/23/05, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Well, a new header would be nice, of course. But it would mean a >> > change in policy, that's why I was thinking of using the existing >> > ones. >> Changing the meaning of existing field

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-07-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (va, manoj)> writes: > On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:22:33 -0400 (EDT), Freddie Unpenstein <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> said: > >>> > - inetd begone! -> xinetd (better mechanism to control DoS, >>> > separation, etc.) > >>> xinetd begone. There is no justification for usi

Re: Debian Mirror Problem

2005-07-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Johann Glaser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi! > > For a few weeks there are discrepancies between some "Packages" files > and the files in the ./pool/ directory. Unfortunately the debian-mirrors > list is dead since the end of 2003. Therefore I try to ask this list, if > you know anything about

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-07-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello > > On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 04:39:04PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 04:57:58PM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: >> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 05:21:51PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: >> > > `Depends' >> > > This declares an

Re: GCC version change / C++ ABI change

2005-07-04 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Horms wrote: > On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:12:21AM +0200, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > Otavio Salvador wrote: > > > Thiemo Seufer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > Junichi Uekawa wrote: > > > >> Hi, > > > >> > > > >> > This week, we will change the GCC default versions from 3.3 to 4.0 > > > >>

Re: GCC version change / C++ ABI change

2005-07-04 Thread Horms
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:44:23AM +0200, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > Horms wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:12:21AM +0200, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > > Otavio Salvador wrote: > > > > Thiemo Seufer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > > > Junichi Uekawa wrote: > > > > >> Hi, > > > > >> > > > >

Re: GCC version change / C++ ABI change

2005-07-04 Thread maximilian attems
On Mon, 04 Jul 2005, Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:12:21AM +0200, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > Most kernel hackers don't care that much about 2.4 any more. > > This is of course one of the reasons why users feel left alone by the > kernel developers. 2.2 went also in deep freeze for

Re: GCC version change / C++ ABI change

2005-07-04 Thread Horms
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:42:39AM +0200, maximilian attems wrote: > On Mon, 04 Jul 2005, Marc Haber wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:12:21AM +0200, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > > Most kernel hackers don't care that much about 2.4 any more. > > > > This is of course one of the reasons why user

Re: GCC version change / C++ ABI change

2005-07-04 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 07:20:36PM +0900, Horms wrote: > On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:42:39AM +0200, maximilian attems wrote: > > On Mon, 04 Jul 2005, Marc Haber wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:12:21AM +0200, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > > > Most kernel hackers don't care that much about 2.4

Re: dummy packages and "Replaces:" field

2005-07-04 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
[please don't CC-me, I'm subscribed] Em Seg, 2005-07-04 às 11:20 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow escreveu: > A source package can build binary packages with different versions. > > E.g. icewmcp 1.0-1 source could build: > > icewmcp 1.0-1 > iceme 1.0.0-12.1 > iceperf 1:1.2-3 Simply by having a Versi

Re: GCC version change / C++ ABI change

2005-07-04 Thread Horms
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:39:59AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 07:20:36PM +0900, Horms wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:42:39AM +0200, maximilian attems wrote: > > > On Mon, 04 Jul 2005, Marc Haber wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:12:21AM +0200, Thiemo S

Bug#316872: ITP: libssh -- SSH and SCP library

2005-07-04 Thread Jean-Philippe Garcia Ballester
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Jean-Philippe Garcia Ballester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libssh Version : 0.11 Upstream Author : "Aris Adamantiadis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://freshmeat.net/redir/libssh/54537/url_homepage/www.0xbadc0de.be *

RFS: libssh - SSH and SCP library

2005-07-04 Thread Jean-Philippe Garcia Ballester
Hi everybody, I'm looking for a sponsor for the libssh package : * Package name: libssh Version : 0.11 Upstream Author : "Aris Adamantiadis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.0xbadc0de.be/?part=libssh * License : LGPL Description : SSH and SCP library

Re: Bug#301527: ITP: mazeofgalious -- The Maze of Galious

2005-07-04 Thread Gürkan Sengün
* Package name: mazeofgalious Version : 0.62 Upstream Authors: Santi Ontanon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.braingames.getput.com/mog/ * License : Not defined yet (will try to work this out with upstream) Description : The Maze of Galious It's no

configure a program -- debconf abuse?

2005-07-04 Thread Joerg Sommer
Hi, can I use debconf to ask the admin what should be the default look and feel for the editor jed? The developers-reference manual tells us to not abuse debconf. Is this an abuse? Jed can have the look and feel like emacs or the KDE editor. Can I ask the admin, what should be the default? Have

Re: configure a program -- debconf abuse?

2005-07-04 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Joerg Sommer] > can I use debconf to ask the admin what should be the default look and > feel for the editor jed? The developers-reference manual tells us to not > abuse debconf. Is this an abuse? This depends on how you use it. If you read the current value from the existing configuration file,

Re: configure a program -- debconf abuse?

2005-07-04 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Mon, 04 Jul 2005, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Joerg Sommer] > > can I use debconf to ask the admin what should be the default look and > > feel for the editor jed? The developers-reference manual tells us to not > > abuse debconf. Is this an abuse? > > This depends on how you use it. OTOH,

Re: configure a program -- debconf abuse?

2005-07-04 Thread sean finney
hi, On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 01:33:45PM +, Joerg Sommer wrote: > can I use debconf to ask the admin what should be the default look and > feel for the editor jed? The developers-reference manual tells us to not > abuse debconf. Is this an abuse? not necessarily, depending on how you go about i

Re: configure a program -- debconf abuse?

2005-07-04 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! Joerg Sommer [2005-07-04 13:33 +]: > can I use debconf to ask the admin what should be the default look and > feel for the editor jed? The developers-reference manual tells us to not > abuse debconf. Is this an abuse? > > Jed can have the look and feel like emacs or the KDE editor. Can I

Get rid of premature ejaculation and last longer

2005-07-04 Thread Gwendoline
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Re: dummy packages and "Replaces:" field

2005-07-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gustavo Noronha Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [please don't CC-me, I'm subscribed] > > Em Seg, 2005-07-04 às 11:20 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow escreveu: >> A source package can build binary packages with different versions. >> >> E.g. icewmcp 1.0-1 source could build: >> >> icewmcp 1.0-1

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-07-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 04 juillet 2005 à 11:00 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : > > * librsvg2-2 depends on librsvg2-common because most applications > > linking to librsvg2 also expect the SVG loader to be available. > > So on all systems both packages will always be installed together. Why > have two pac

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-07-04 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 7/4/05, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Olaf van der Spek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I'm not sure how exactly the current mirrors work, but syncing > > (primary) mirrors between eachother instead of all from a master may > > be an idea. > > Mirrors are stacked in a tree (

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-07-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But that doesn't realy solve the problem on its own. It would be nice if > packages could be consistently taged with "Application: > yes|no|" signifying that this package is usefull on its own > (foo), will never be used alone (foo-data, libfoo) o

Bug#78782: in complete solitude

2005-07-04 Thread Jane Hess
Special Announcement: Good Day, I have been instructed by my head office to alert you to the fact that your file has been reviewed and there now are a few potential options for you to consider. Please note that this issue is time sensitive and that your previous credit situation is not an iss

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-07-04 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 08:05:21PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > True. But for example, is the current apt-get capable of contacting > another mirror if and only if the primary fails? For package downloads apt will try the sources in the order listed in sources.list, only trying subsequent on

Re: Package priorities: optional vs extra

2005-07-04 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Lionel Elie Mamane] > I recently found some packages in at an IMHO totally wrong priority > in Debian. Yeah. I've been grumbling about optional vs. extra for years. Nobody wants to consider his own packages 'extra' because every maintainer feels his own packages are Really Useful. This is a s

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-07-04 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 7/4/05, Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 08:05:21PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > > > True. But for example, is the current apt-get capable of contacting > > another mirror if and only if the primary fails? > > For package downloads apt will try the sources i

Bug#316933: ITP: libcrypt-dh-perl -- Diffie-Hellman key exchange system

2005-07-04 Thread Dominic Hargreaves
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Dominic Hargreaves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libcrypt-dh-perl Version : 0.06 Upstream Author : Benjamin Trott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Crypt-DH/ * License : Dual GPL/Artistic Desc

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies

2005-07-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> But that doesn't realy solve the problem on its own. It would be nice if >> packages could be consistently taged with "Application: >> yes|no|" signifying that this package is usefull on its own >> (fo

Re: Soliciting keys for the debconf5 key signing party in Helsinki

2005-07-04 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > >>[0] http://www.debconf.org/debconf5/keysigning > > > >A list of names of accepted keys is listed at [1]. > > > >[1] http://people.debian.org/~anibal/ksp-dc5-names.txt > > > >Please send your key if you haven't done so. You have a little more > >than a week to send it. The deadline is the

Re: Soliciting keys for the debconf5 key signing party in Helsinki

2005-07-04 Thread Anibal Monsalve Salazar
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 10:33:09AM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > >Hi, Hello Junichi, [0] http://www.debconf.org/debconf5/keysigning >>> >>>A list of names of accepted keys is listed at [1]. >>> >>>[1] http://people.debian.org/~anibal/ksp-dc5-names.txt >>> >>>Please send your key if you haven

Re: RFS: libssh - SSH and SCP library

2005-07-04 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > The package can be downloaded at http://dgnr.free.fr/repository, or > with apt-get with "deb http://dgnr.free.fr/ repository/" From the look of it, your packaging looks wrong. You're probably creating a package that ignores SONAME versioning. --- libssh-0.11.orig/debian/shlibs.local +++

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Bug#72140: Challenge

2005-07-04 Thread Mike Cameron
Urgent Announcement: Good Day, I have been instructed by my head office to alert you to the fact that your file has been reviewed and there now are a few potential options for you to consider. Please note that this issue is time sensitive and that your previous credit situation is not an issu

Re: configure a program -- debconf abuse?

2005-07-04 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Peter Palfrader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > OTOH, if there is a sensible default (and there is for jed), just pick > one and be done with it. No need to burden the admin with yet another > question. I beg to disagree here. As long as an appropriate priority is used (here, probably low) and t