Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-13 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Gredler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 02:17:08PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: >> On Sunday 12 June 2005 09:14, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Some older BIOSes don't allow booting from CD-ROM, let alone netbooting or >> >> It's easy to solve the problem o

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-13 Thread Stephen Birch
Steve Greenland([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-06-09 10:06: > I suspect that the problem is that you're confusing "obsolete" with > "not current". "Obsolete" caries the connotation of "useless except for > entertainment/hobbiest purposes". For example, steam engine cars are > obsolete. The 1999 Toyota Cam

Re: Bits from the dpkg maintainer

2005-06-13 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > > The basics of the new format are: > > * Multiple upstream tarballs are supported: > > * The "Debian Diff" may be replaced by the "Debian Tar": > > * Bzip2 compression is supported as an alternative to gzip. > > As a practical matter,

Re: Bug#312897: ITP: texlive -- The TeXlive system packaged for debian

2005-06-13 Thread frank
Christoph Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Re: Norbert Preining in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> * Package name: texlive >> Description : The TeXlive system packaged for debian >> >> TeX Live is an easy way to get up and running with TeX. It includes all >> major freely-available TeX-related

Re: Bits from the dpkg maintainer

2005-06-13 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2005-06-13 kello 10:10 +0200, Peter Palfrader kirjoitti: > Historically we always wanted to be able to use all the source in the > archive with the tools available in stable. If that policy is still > true you would be able to use the new features by the time edge releases > with the new dpkg.

Re: Inconsistent handling of sourceless packages in main

2005-06-13 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 07:12:52AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Moin Goswin! > > Goswin von Brederlow schrieb am Donnerstag, den 19. Mai 2005: > > > >> IMHO debian-installer in unacceptable as it causes GPL violations. > >> Interlocking the de

Re: Bug#312669: /sbin/ifconfig: Add ifconfig to user path

2005-06-13 Thread Richard Kettlewell
Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > astronut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I agree. The type of user who is likely to be using the ifconfig >> command on a regular basis is the type of user who probably already >> has sbin in their path. (Power user, sysadmin's nonprivleged >> account, etc.

Re: Inconsistent handling of sourceless packages in main

2005-06-13 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The above is a bit sparce on details of what exactly is the issue here. > debian-installer builds use udeb's, and work is underway to not only > keep those udeb's used last, but the udeb's for all d-i builds on the > mirror network. If a udeb or

Bug#313369: RFH: mwavem -- Mwave/ACP modem support software

2005-06-13 Thread Thomas Hood
Package: wnpp Severity: normal I request assistance with maintaining the mwavem package. I own a ThinkPad 600 with an Mwave modem inside and I use this to test the mwavem packages that I prepare. However, I do not use the machine on a daily basis. If possible I would like help from someone who

Re: Bug#312669: /sbin/ifconfig: Add ifconfig to user path

2005-06-13 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 13 Jun 2005 10:11:52 +0100, Richard Kettlewell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > astronut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Yes. The great majority of users don't want to know about stuff > > like ifconfig, and those that _do_ can either put /sbin in their >

What IS OEM software and why do you care?

2005-06-13 Thread Em
Get latest version, cds and download under $99 http://qkbl.wl0tzvw7bow3bfw.honeyedlyfm.com A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle. The past is but the past of a beginning. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [

Re: co-maintainers sought

2005-06-13 Thread Jacob S
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 15:01:37 +0200 Christoph Hellwig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - [RFA] bcm4400-source - module source for Broadcom's bcm4400 > > ethernet driver > > : http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bcm4400-source.html > > What problems do you see with the in-kernel b44 driver that y

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-13 Thread Danny Cautaert
On 2005-06-12, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The best way to make multi floppy boot work would be to use initramfs > with a static C binary linked against klibc that does the prompting > and loading of the 2nd/3rd/... floppy. That way you can save as much > space as possible for

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-13 Thread Brendan
On Saturday 11 June 2005 08:34 am, David Weinehall wrote: > 2.6.25?! The current release pace for the 2.6-kernel is somewhere along > 2-3 months / kernel. The kernel version now is 2.6.11, but 2.6.12 is > out any day now, hopefully. Unless there are some radical changes, > there won't be more th

Re: namespace conflict != package Conflict?

2005-06-13 Thread Steve Greenland
On 12-Jun-05, 02:27 (CDT), Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You need to convince either git or GNU Interactive Tools > to change its name upstream then. Since git is the newcomer > and its name is already taken (by a GNU project no less!) > perhaps you could start there. The existen

Re: Inconsistent handling of sourceless packages in main

2005-06-13 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 12:34:21PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The above is a bit sparce on details of what exactly is the issue here. > > debian-installer builds use udeb's, and work is underway to not only > > keep those udeb's use

Re: namespace conflict != package Conflict?

2005-06-13 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12-Jun-05, 02:27 (CDT), Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >From my reading of your package description for cogito, > > the name GIT (the version control system) doesn't seem to > > mean anything in particular. So renaming it would not be

Re: namespace conflict != package Conflict?

2005-06-13 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 09:46:27AM -0600, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: > Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 12-Jun-05, 02:27 (CDT), Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >From my reading of your package description for cogito, > > > the name GIT (the version control system)

Re: Structured (XML-like) input/output for shell apps?

2005-06-13 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
Hi, On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 07:40:10PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > Many shell apps/scripts output data in tables, for example ls -l, ps > aux, top, netstat, etc. > At the moment, most of these apps use fixed-width columns with a > variable-width last-column. > This results in (unnecessary

Re: Structured (XML-like) input/output for shell apps?

2005-06-13 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 6/13/05, GOMBAS Gabor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Are there already any plans to solve these issues? > > Yes. The commands you mention were designed for _human_ consumption. Do > not use them in scripts without good reasons. There are a lot of The maintainer of netstat didn't want to change

Re: Structured (XML-like) input/output for shell apps?

2005-06-13 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
* Gabor :: > Hi, > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 07:40:10PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > > > Many shell apps/scripts output data in tables, for example ls > > -l, ps aux, top, netstat, etc. At the moment, most of these > > apps use fixed-width columns with a variable-width last-column. > > This

Bug#313416: general: fail to print documents with 2 "pages per sheet"

2005-06-13 Thread ReDaLeRt
Package: general Severity: normal when i try to print some pdfs, websites, docs and other stuff with 2 "pages per sheet" activated the printer does do its job; just stay "inactive". at http://localhost:631 in section "completed jobs" the status of those jobs appears "aborted". if i use 1 "pages p

Re: Bug#312897: ITP: texlive -- The TeXlive system packaged for debian

2005-06-13 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Monday 13 June 2005 09.41, frank wrote: [texlive vs. teTeX] > Let me add some comments from my point of view (Debian teTeX > maintainer). Sounds like packaging texlive and trying to get it really stable would be the thing to do, with the goal of phasing out teTeX for etch+1 Not becuase I don'

Re: kernel security bug #307900

2005-06-13 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Friday 10 June 2005 04:02, Adam Majer wrote: > > > woody's kernels are vulnerable to CAN-2004-1235, a uselib() race > > condition. > > Will this be fixed for Woody? > > I thought the plan was to provide security support for Woody for > > another year? > AFAIK, there is no security support f

Re: Structured (XML-like) input/output for shell apps?

2005-06-13 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 6/13/05, Humberto Massa Guimarães <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What Olaf *really* seems to want is a resource like the new (vapor?) > Monad shell from MS. Which can be a good thing, if done right, but > is generally a waste of CPU and memory, if you ask me. As you said, > there is not a lot of d

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-13 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Marco d'Itri may or may not have written... > On Jun 12, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have a very nice Pentium I (my internet gateway) that has a broken >> CD-drive and no USB (and certainly wouldn't boot from USB even if it had) >> but that installs perfectly from flopp

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-13 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Andreas Gredler may or may not have written... > On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 07:58:11PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: [snip] >> Since d-i currently puts the initrd that reads the second floppy (or >> other USB media) on the boot floppy with the kernel, we either have to >> shoehorn that initrd

Re: Bug#312669: /sbin/ifconfig: Add ifconfig to user path

2005-06-13 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > Probably because there's no solid reason against a symlink. Yes, and since ip puts one, too, I can do the same. Greetings Bernd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Structured (XML-like) input/output for shell apps?

2005-06-13 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
* Olaf :: > On 6/13/05, Humberto Massa Guimarães <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > printf "%-50.50s %d\n", $_, -s $_ for <*.ab> > > > > in Perl. The domain is necessary anyway, ie, you have to know > > Monad to understand the first, you have to know perl to grok the > > second. > > Except that in

wiki.debian.net brokenness?

2005-06-13 Thread Andres Salomon
Hi, I've discovered that I can no longer log into wiki.debian.net. When visiting pages, it informs me that I'm AnonymousUser; when I try to edit a page, it tells me that the web page doesn't not allow anonymous editing. However, it doesn't provide a link to log in (or maybe I'm just missing the

Re: Bits from the dpkg maintainer

2005-06-13 Thread Andres Salomon
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:05:56 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: [...] > > * The "Debian Diff" may be replaced by the "Debian Tar": > Instead of placing your changes and Debian directory as a patch against > the upstream tarball in a diff.gz, you may instead ship the Debian > d

Re: Bug#312897: ITP: texlive -- The TeXlive system packaged for debian

2005-06-13 Thread Frank Küster
Adrian von Bidder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 13 June 2005 09.41, frank wrote: > [texlive vs. teTeX] >> Let me add some comments from my point of view (Debian teTeX >> maintainer). > > Sounds like packaging texlive and trying to get it really stable would be > the thing to do, with the

Re: Structured (XML-like) input/output for shell apps?

2005-06-13 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 6/13/05, Humberto Massa Guimarães <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not necessarily. Just as you have "tableout" as an external command > (built-in or not) in Monad, you can have a Perl module to print > things in a tabular manner, expanding the column sizes as needed > (based on HTML::Format::Table

Re: Structured (XML-like) input/output for shell apps?

2005-06-13 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 6/13/05, Humberto Massa Guimarães <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, and I withdraw :-) what I said about XML. But *any* > serialization / deserialization necessary for this scheme to work > would add (unnecessary) overhead. This and the fact that you would Well, if you can do it with Perl witho

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-13 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 09:25:22AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 01:13:16AM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña > wrote: > > to find their own (sometimes flawed) solution to a very common problem. > > Years using Linux: 10. > > Times I've absolutely needed an X-less b

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2005-06-13 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > reassign 313416 cupsys Bug#313416: general: fail to print documents with 2 "pages per sheet" Bug reassigned from package `general' to `cupsys'. > -- Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Debian bug tracking system admini

Re: Structured (XML-like) input/output for shell apps?

2005-06-13 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
* Olaf :: > On 6/13/05, Humberto Massa Guimarães <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Yes, and I withdraw :-) what I said about XML. But *any* > > serialization / deserialization necessary for this scheme to > > work would add (unnecessary) overhead. This and the fact that > > you would > > Well, if y

Re: Structured (XML-like) input/output for shell apps?

2005-06-13 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
> On 6/13/05, Humberto Massa Guimarães <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Not necessarily. Just as you have "tableout" as an external > > command (built-in or not) in Monad, you can have a Perl module > > to print things in a tabular manner, expanding the column sizes > > as needed (based on HTML::Fo

Re: Structured (XML-like) input/output for shell apps?

2005-06-13 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 6/13/05, Humberto Massa Guimarães <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, if you can do it with Perl without overhead, you can of > > course also do it without Perl without overhead. In that case the > > 'structured' support would be included > > Not exactly. Don't get me wrong, object component

Re: Structured (XML-like) input/output for shell apps?

2005-06-13 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 6/13/05, Humberto Massa Guimarães <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are a lot of scripts today in production use that use the > output of ls, ps, in a text-way. If you want to put another command, > or another switch to "ls", ok, but the fact that you *can* do it > does not mean that you *shoul

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-13 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 01:18:39PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > How would these runlevels be "wasted"? We're only talking about the > default configuration, not about something a system administrator > couldn't change. Exactly my point, what impedes an admin to set some defaults wether the

Re: wiki.debian.net brokenness?

2005-06-13 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've discovered that I can no longer log into wiki.debian.net. When > visiting pages, it informs me that I'm AnonymousUser; when I try to edit a > page, it tells me that the web page doesn't not allow anonymous editing. > However, it doesn't provide a

Re: Bug#312669: /sbin/ifconfig: Add ifconfig to user path

2005-06-13 Thread Jesus Climent
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 01:24:43PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > And anyway ifconfig is deprecated, everybody should always use iproute > which *is* in /bin. Why is so? J PS: You keep on impressing me how gratiously you use the language: "Linux kernel 2.4 is obsolete" "ifconfig is deprecated"

Re: TODO for etch ?

2005-06-13 Thread Jesus Climent
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 11:39:16PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: > Hello. > > - - Early start of X, while some other stuff is still loading on the bg. - get rid of hotplug in its actual incarnation. Is hell of slow and painful. -- Jesus Climent inf

Re: links to logs in /etc? (/etc/postgresql/7.4/main/log)

2005-06-13 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 16:25 -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: >why is there a link to logs in /etc? > >/etc/postgresql/7.4/main/log is a link to > /var/log/postgresql/postgresql-7.4-main.log > >/etc is supposed to be for configuration files that are static, the > link to log violates both (

Re: links to logs in /etc? (/etc/postgresql/7.4/main/log)

2005-06-13 Thread Adam Heath
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Oliver Elphick wrote: > On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 16:25 -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: > >why is there a link to logs in /etc? > > > >/etc/postgresql/7.4/main/log is a link to > > /var/log/postgresql/postgresql-7.4-main.log > > > >/etc is supposed to be for configuration fi

Re: links to logs in /etc? (/etc/postgresql/7.4/main/log)

2005-06-13 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 6/13/05, Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's a stupid argument. It's not that stupid. If other files shouldn't be there, the specs should explicitly state that.

Re: links to logs in /etc? (/etc/postgresql/7.4/main/log)

2005-06-13 Thread Adam Heath
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > On 6/13/05, Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's a stupid argument. > > It's not that stupid. But it is. > If other files shouldn't be there, the specs should explicitly state that. Use just a *little* bit of common sense. Oh, wait, c

Re: links to logs in /etc? (/etc/postgresql/7.4/main/log)

2005-06-13 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2005-06-13 kello 23:56 +0200, Olaf van der Spek kirjoitti: > On 6/13/05, Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's a stupid argument. > > It's not that stupid. > If other files shouldn't be there, the specs should explicitly state that. The Debian Policy does not, and cannot, have a ru

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-13 Thread John Hasler
Jesus Climent writes: > Exactly my point, what impedes an admin to set some defaults wether the > system comes as it comes now or with some predefined options and > settings? Nothing, except for the fact that most "admins" haven't the foggiest idea how to do that. Thus the suggestion that the def

Re: Bug#312897: ITP: texlive -- The TeXlive system packaged for debian

2005-06-13 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 09:41:47AM +0200, frank wrote: > > If we had texlive in Debian, there wouldn't be such pressure. teTeX > would be updated to the current version shortly after a release, and > then would stick to that upstream version no matter what happened until > the next release. And

Re: AMD64 CDs and DVDs released

2005-06-13 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 12:33:42AM +0200, Santiago Garcia Mantinan wrote: > > As AMD64 is unofficial, the URL for downloading the images is slightly > different to that used for the officially-released sarge > architectures: How exactly AMD64 is unofficial (apart for the use of uppercase) ? Did n

Re: AMD64 CDs and DVDs released

2005-06-13 Thread Adam Heath
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Santiago Garcia Mantinan wrote: > Hi! > > A little later than the rest of the architectures, we are now ready to > announce the availability of CDs (businesscard, netinst and full) and > DVDs for AMD64. > > As AMD64 is unofficial, the URL for downloading the images is slightly

Re: AMD64 CDs and DVDs released

2005-06-13 Thread Steve McIntyre
Bill Allombert wrote: >On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 12:33:42AM +0200, Santiago Garcia Mantinan wrote: >> >> As AMD64 is unofficial, the URL for downloading the images is slightly >> different to that used for the officially-released sarge >> architectures: > >How exactly AMD64 is unofficial (apart for

Re: AMD64 CDs and DVDs released

2005-06-13 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 01:10:47AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Security.d.o may have been promised, but sarge/amd64 will not be > hosted within the official archive - Debian did not release amd64 with > sarge. > Good work, Steve. Just building the DVD's now, having downloaded the jigdo files

Re: links to logs in /etc? (/etc/postgresql/7.4/main/log)

2005-06-13 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > That said, the Debian Policy document does mandage use of the Filesystem > Hierarchy Standard (FHS), which in turn describes /etc like this: "/etc > contains configuration files and directories that are specific to the > current system". This cannot reaso

Re: links to logs in /etc? (/etc/postgresql/7.4/main/log)

2005-06-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 02:55:09AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > > That said, the Debian Policy document does mandage use of the Filesystem > > Hierarchy Standard (FHS), which in turn describes /etc like this: "/etc > > contains configuration files and

Re: links to logs in /etc? (/etc/postgresql/7.4/main/log)

2005-06-13 Thread Erik Steffl
Oliver Elphick wrote: On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 16:25 -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: why is there a link to logs in /etc? /etc/postgresql/7.4/main/log is a link to /var/log/postgresql/postgresql-7.4-main.log /etc is supposed to be for configuration files that are static, the link to log viola

Bug#313505: ITP: gekkoware -- web content management system with expansion in mind

2005-06-13 Thread David Moreno Garza
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Moreno Garza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: gekkoware Version : 0.4.1.8 Upstream Author : José Carlos Nieto Jarquín <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://gekkoware.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Description

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-13 Thread Russell Coker
On Tuesday 14 June 2005 02:32, Darren Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ISTM that a non-standard disk format (21 sectors per track and/or more > tracks) would help - or would this just cause too many problems? AFAIK it's not possible for the BIOS to boot from a 21 sector track. I have heard of p

Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-13 Thread Eric Dorland
Hi, Now that sarge has been released it's time to revisit this problem. Most of the problems revolve around this document: http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html From my reading of this, I'm not permitted to do such necessary things such as security patches, and retain the name

Re: And now for something completely different... etch!

2005-06-13 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Darren Salt] > ISTM that a non-standard disk format (21 sectors per track and/or > more tracks) would help - or would this just cause too many problems? I think it's safe to assume anyone can boot and read a 1600 kB floppy. 1743 kB is common but possibly problematic. signature.asc Description: