On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 12:25:01AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > I see no need to argue about whether Ubuntu should push; the patches
> > are all there in an easily accessible tree, and it would be trivial to
> > pull the patches and push them someplace else if that's desirab
On Tue, 31 May 2005 19:47:19 -0700, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:00:33PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
>> In the ubuntu case in particular, I wish that they would be more
>> proactive in sending their patches to the Debian maintainers.
>> Asking us Debian fol
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
What problem do you feel would be addressed by such a scheme?
1. Getting a problem fixed in Debian.
2. Do not force the Ubuntu maintainer to apply his patch for
new versions of Debian packages
3. Prevent that packaging drifts away heavily.
Le Mer 1 Juin 2005 19:25, Matt Zimmerman a écrit :
> On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 05:00:31PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > * Stephen Birch
> >
> > | John Goerzen([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-06-01 00:06:
> > | > Out of curiousity, do you have a rough estimate of the
> > | > percentage that actually make
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote:
> Oh, I forgot to mention that if Ubuntu continues to ignore Ian Murdock's
> warnings about breaking compatability with debs, it will end up a fork
It is a fork, if it wont change things it wont have differences.
Of course this depends on the definition o
Hey,
as you've probably heard, Google has a "summer of code" initiative to
stimulate open source coding. They are looking for mentors to support the
coders. Shouldn't Debian be on that list?
Matthijs
(My aplogies if this has already been brought up, or if I'm posting this to
the wrong list, I'm
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 08:20:39AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, John Goerzen wrote:
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 07:47:19PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Debian does, in fact, treat most of its upstreams precisely this way.
> Debian publishes a large portion of its changes primarily in the form of
> monolithic diffs relative to upstream source. The last time I saw
> figures, the usage of dpatch, cdbs, e
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
Personally, I agree, but this is something which needs to be addressed by
Debian itself. It is not the responsibility of derivatives, nor is there
anything that they can do to improve that situation. Only Debian
maintainers can effect a change here.
C
Hey Pierre, hey everybody else,
I now quote some lines I found pretty important for the whole
discussion:
Am Donnerstag, den 02.06.2005, 09:04 +0200 schrieb Pierre Habouzit:
> A push method (wrt us) would be better than a pull (from us) one.
> We have not time to pull.
> we have bloate
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
Debian does, in fact, treat most of its upstreams precisely this way.
If you say "most" can you get a raw percentage of packages / maintainers
which do so?
Debian publishes a large portion of its changes primarily in the form of
monolithic diffs relat
On Wednesday 01 June 2005 07:06, John Goerzen wrote:
> On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 07:47:19PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:00:33PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> I'm aware of that. There are cases, though, where people tend to
> create a difference when it's not necessary
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 09:25:01AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
>
> >Personally, I agree, but this is something which needs to be addressed by
> >Debian itself. It is not the responsibility of derivatives, nor is there
> >anything that they can do to im
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 01:59:18AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Obviously, I have no control over how derived distributions
> conduct their business, or where they allocate resources. But I would
> not consider doing development in a public repo an adequate
> substitute for not pushi
> Sorry, Pierre, for hijacking your post into this direction, this
> rather affects all the projects involved, not only KDE-QT.
you have not to be sorry. it's only that every time someone says ubuntu
does not collaborate "enough" there is someboty to shout :
http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patc
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 09:04:47AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> IMHO a "saner" method would be to allow pple to easily hook into the SCM
> used by the Ubuntu developpers in order to receive the patches done
> *incrementaly* + the logs that are with them [2].
Part of the issue is that we curr
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 09:17:46AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> In your first mail you wrote about "mass-mail Debian maintainers" in the
> second mail you turned my request to file wishlist bug reports against
> single packages into "mass-filing bugs in the BTS".
If all of the patches were to be
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
There isn't much that I can do about packages that I don't maintain; we have
some tools for this, but it is primarily a matter of personal preference
(and not Debian dogma) how packages are maintained in Debian.
We have certain ways to change things: Th
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 03:09:16 +1000
Paul TBBle Hampson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 05:48:46AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:14:43 +0200
> > Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 07:54:51AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:52:03 +0100
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 02:13:54PM -0600, Wesley J. Landaker wrote:
> > On Tuesday 31 May 2005 14:11, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:03:12AM -0600, Wesley J. Landaker wrote:
[snip]
>
> A notary
On Thursday 02 June 2005 10:47, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
--cut--
> We are doing what we can, with the resources available to us, to make our
> work available to Debian, through the patch publishing mechanism, and
> cooperation with Debian teams. If there is a different approach which
> could be imple
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
If all of the patches were to be filed in the BTS, automation would be the
only feasible way to do it.
?
This is a quite strange statement to me. Could you please comment on this
more detailed.
It has been said that it is too much of a
burden for
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote:
> It's not Steve's, or any other RM's fault if the media can't read in
> context! If a media organization wishes to post articles, they should
> only do that if they have read "official" sources, using the "real"
> English language, reporting what the sour
Dear Andreas,
Am Donnerstag, den 02.06.2005, 11:52 +0200 schrieb Andreas Tille:
> > It has been said that it is too much of a
> > burden for Debian maintainers to process the patches, and Ubuntu currently
> > has a miniscule number of developers compared to Debian.
> I wonder why the statement
>
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Daniel Holbach wrote:
It has been said that it is too much of a
burden for Debian maintainers to process the patches, and Ubuntu currently
has a miniscule number of developers compared to Debian.
I wonder why the statement
"We are much less people than you."
should le
* Wouter Verhelst:
> Well, in Belgium it's not /that/ bad (a notary is required by law to
> give you free advice), but the moment he uses his stamp, it indeed is a
> three digit bill (around ¤900 last time I required the use of a notary's
> services)
The fee depends in part on the value of the tr
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 10:40:04PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 12:25:01AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > If Debian treated our upstreams this way, I'd be suprised if we ever got
> > any patches accepted upstream.
> Debian does, in fact, treat most of its upstreams precisel
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 10:57:44AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote:
> > It's not Steve's, or any other RM's fault if the media can't read in
> > context! If a media organization wishes to post articles, they should
> > only do that if they have read "offici
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 02:52:41AM -0400, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> I want to build debian package for a library called fortranposix. The
> upstream source can be found at
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/fortranposix
>
> This library depends on some kind of fortran 90 compiler being insta
Dear Andreas
Am Donnerstag, den 02.06.2005, 12:05 +0200 schrieb Andreas Tille:
> Somebody might find the appropriate term for "we do not try
> hard to search more effective ways".
I thought very highly of you, when you (as one voice of many) said
"group maintenance". I want to highlight, underlin
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:45:21PM +0100, Simon Huggins wrote:
>...
> You're a native German speaker right Adrian? Perhaps you could help
> Debian instead by pointing out the journalist's mistake(s).
>...
OK, I can try to send them a message that Debian developers have asked
me to point them to
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Daniel Holbach wrote:
I thought very highly of you, when you (as one voice of many) said
"group maintenance". I want to highlight, underline, whatever it: "group
maintenance", "collaboration"!
Exactly.
We should all stop arguing, but make it finally happen.
I did in paral
On Thursday 02 June 2005 06:40, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > If Debian treated our upstreams this way, I'd be suprised if we ever got
> > any patches accepted upstream.
>
> Debian does, in fact, treat most of its upstreams precisely this way.
> Debian publishes a large portion of its changes primaril
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 10:40:04PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> Debian does, in fact, treat most of its upstreams precisely this way.
> Debian publishes a large portion of its changes primarily in the form of
> monolithic diffs relative to upstream source. The last time I saw figures,
> the usag
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 01:59:18AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Tue, 31 May 2005 19:47:19 -0700, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> Obviously, I have no control over how derived distributions
> conduct their business, or where they allocate resources. But I would
> not
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 04:15:59PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote:
> > - the architecture must be able to run a buildd 24/7 sustained
> > (without crashing)
> > - the architecture must have an actual, running, working buildd
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On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 12:34:02AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> George Danchev wrote:
> > Out of curiousity, is there real examples of DD's and UD's sharing common
> > revison control repo for their packaging, e.g. on alioth or at the relevant
> > ubuntu service if there is any like alioth ?
>
> Ce
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 08:56:15AM -0700, Stephen Birch wrote:
> The Ubuntu literature indicates that Ubuntu is a derivative of debian
> but it looks more like a fork to me.
One question that can hep deciding that issue is whether Ubuntu users
are also Debian users.
As far as popularity-contest
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 12:25:01AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > I see no need to argue about whether Ubuntu should push; the patches
> > are all there in an easily accessible tree, and it would be trivial to
> > pull the patches and push them someplace else if that's desirabl
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On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 10:44:33AM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 10:17:08AM -0500, Bill Allombert wrote:
>
> > As far as popularity-contest is involved, Ubuntu users are not Debian
> > users since they cannot report to popcon.debian.org because the
> > popularity-contest
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 08:49:34AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> *Especially* with their "everything is in Arch" philosophy. There are
> good reasons that people may choose Subversion or Darcs instead. Every
> VC I've ever used falls flat on its face in certain common scenarios,
> and Arch is no
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 11:52:51AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> >It has been said that it is too much of a
> >burden for Debian maintainers to process the patches, and Ubuntu currently
> >has a miniscule number of developers compared to Debian.
> I wond
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 10:17:08AM -0500, Bill Allombert wrote:
> As far as popularity-contest is involved, Ubuntu users are not Debian
> users since they cannot report to popcon.debian.org because the
> popularity-contest package provided by Ubuntu report to popcon.ubuntu.com,
Do you see this,
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On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 11:20:33AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
>
> >There isn't much that I can do about packages that I don't maintain; we
> >have some tools for this, but it is primarily a matter of personal
> >preference (and not Debian dogma) how pa
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 10:44:33AM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 10:17:08AM -0500, Bill Allombert wrote:
>
> > As far as popularity-contest is involved, Ubuntu users are not Debian
> > users since they cannot report to popcon.debian.org because the
> > popularity-contest
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> On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 09:17:46AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
>
>> In your first mail you wrote about "mass-mail Debian maintainers" in the
>> second mail you turned my request to file wishlist bug reports
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:08:51 -0500, John Goerzen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I think we should
>devote some thought to declaring a permanent bug-squashing party and
>relaxing the rules for NMUs (for instance, let them happen for any
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On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 04:39:25PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> > - Maintaining the kernel package (kfreebsd5-source [3] and kfreebsd5 [4]).
> > This basicaly involves packaging new upstream releases and appliing
> > security patches from upstream when due to.
>
> I am interested in th
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:17:50 +0200, Bernd Eckenfels
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>
>That way you can do a
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 12:47:30AM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> The same logic applies to many bugs as well. Would it really be better to
> have an open bug report in debbugs, than a patch on people.ubuntu.com?
I'd prefer an open bug report in debbugs with the patch included.
> I know of no re
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 07:49:39AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 12:47:30AM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > The same logic applies to many bugs as well. Would it really be better to
> > have an open bug report in debbugs, than a patch on people.ubuntu.com?
> I'd prefer
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Matthijs Kooijman wrote:
> Hey,
>
> as you've probably heard, Google has a "summer of code" initiative to
> stimulate open source coding. They are looking for mentors to support the
> coders. Shouldn't Debian be on that list?
>
> Matthijs
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/su
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 11:26:58PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> That said, I was informed today that there's a policy that when bugs are
> submitted the patch has to be put on people.ubuntu.com and linked to in
> the report rather than being included in the report, which did strike me
> as rather str
* Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-06-03 08:58]:
> > That said, I was informed today that there's a policy that when
> > bugs are submitted the patch has to be put on people.ubuntu.com
> > and linked to in the report rather than being included in the
> > report, which did strike me as rathe
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 12:32:14AM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> * Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-06-03 08:58]:
> I, as well as others, have pointed out to Canonical on several
> occasions that their patch policy is less than optimal. While some
> personally agree with me, it's their
On Tue, 31 May 2005 21:37:28 -0700, Stephen Birch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Darren Salt([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-05-31 21:49:
> > For those who've missed the first three broadcasts today, there's one more
> > at
> > 01:05 GMT; also see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/1478157.stm>.
>
> Why
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> registrar would release it. I ended up losing the domain (>_<) because I
> discovered that to find a notary in Australia, you have to go to a US Embassy.
Huh? I've deliver
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 07:49:39AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 12:47:30AM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > The same logic applies to many bugs as well. Would it really be better to
> > have an open bug report in debbugs, than a patch on people.ubuntu.com?
>
> I'd prefer
I am trying to package fortranposix as a debian package. The upstream is
available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/fortranposix/
After compiling it, I get a file called libfortranposix.so. I am
wondering whether this library should go into /usr/lib or
/usr/lib/fortranposix directory?
I re
On Jun 03, John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Having said that, even a link in a bug report is better than trying to
> find all my packages in a huge list.
It has been clearly shown that different people have different opinion
on this issue, e.g. I do not want to receive patches in bug repo
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> On Thu, 02 Jun 2005, Paul TBBle Hampson wrote:
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> > discovered that
Please remove me from call wave.
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> On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 07:49:39AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 12:47:30AM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > > proposals, but we have very limited developer resources compared to
> > > Debian.
> >
> > I k
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> On Thu, 02 Jun 2005, Paul TBBle Hampson wrote:
> > I was told to get a notarised form for a domain transfer before the domain
> > registrar would release it. I ended up losing the domain (>_<) because I
> > discovered that to find a no
* John Goerzen
| If it matters, I'll add my voice to the chorus on that. Anything that
| requires me to go off to the net to fix takes longer to fix and is
| more annoying to deal with.
Well, some people like just having a link to a patch. Me for
instance.
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On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 08:07:33AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> * John Goerzen
>
> | If it matters, I'll add my voice to the chorus on that. Anything that
> | requires me to go off to the net to fix takes longer to fix and is
> | more annoying to deal with.
>
> Well, some people like just ha
Hi,
kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
I am trying to package fortranposix as a debian package. The upstream is
available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/fortranposix/
After compiling it, I get a file called libfortranposix.so. I am
wondering whether this library should go into /usr/lib or
/usr/l
#include
* Tollef Fog Heen [Tue, May 31 2005, 06:06:28PM]:
> * Stephen Birch
>
> | The project seems to have established a mechanism for putting new
> | packeges directly into Ubuntu. Are new Ubuntu packages also put in
> | Debian by the Ubuntu team members?
>
> Yes.
And I think it is a fair
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Is it for a special reason that the default dhcp-client
in sarge is ancient (version 2.0pl5)?
This client does not follow the RFC correctly. When
it does a dhcpdiscover and the interface has been
previously configured with some ip address it is still
using that ip for the dhcpdiscover.
* Matthew Palmer
| On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 08:07:33AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > * John Goerzen
| >
| > | If it matters, I'll add my voice to the chorus on that. Anything that
| > | requires me to go off to the net to fix takes longer to fix and is
| > | more annoying to deal with.
| >
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 08:42:29AM +0200, Andreas Fester wrote:
> kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> >I am trying to package fortranposix as a debian package. The upstream is
> >available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/fortranposix/
> >After compiling it, I get a file called libfortranposix.so. I a
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