Re: (LONG) Correct non-US solution

1999-05-19 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Joey Hess wrote: > Well, we've established that no site in the US will carry the crypto stuff. > So what if I'm in the US and want to get non-US stuff? Since non-us has > disappeared into the distribution, I can't add a line to apt pointing to > non-us. So what am I supposed t

Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests

1999-05-19 Thread Brian Almeida
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 10:49:09AM -0400, Phillip R. Jaenke wrote: > That's MY opinion. Not necessarily yours. I can't get a system without > RedHat preinstalled from VA Research last I checked, they never returned > my calls, so as far as I'm concerned, they're about as good a company as > Compaq

Re: gpm problems in potato

1999-05-19 Thread Gabor Fleischer
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Oleg Krivosheev wrote: > May 18 16:37:55 reboot /usr/sbin/gpm[109]: Error in protocol > May 18 16:37:55 reboot last message repeated 12 times I have this too: May 19 01:57:34 crux /usr/sbin/gpm[652]: No data > visually, both gpm and X mouse work just fine Well,under X I have s

Hints about future improvements

1999-05-19 Thread Gabor Fleischer
Hi everyone, some days ago someone had a question about cutting a package into parts. The answer was yes, and one of the reasons: it can decrease the downloads which is espetially good if someone has modem... I was thinking about this, and there's one thing which is not the best it could be,

Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests

1999-05-19 Thread Craig Brozefsky
"Phillip R. Jaenke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And what about their 'partners'? I have yet to see one of their contracts. > And I'm just getting this eerie feeling that, well, it's an exclusive > contract. If you offer RedHat, you only offer RedHat as far as Linux go, > at least on preinstalled

Intent to package: device3dfx

1999-05-19 Thread Steve Haslam
Hi people, device3dfx is a kernel module to allow user-space applications (quake :}) access to 3Dfx cards without needing to be run as root. This package consists *only* of a GPL'd kernel module. As such it can IMHO go into main. It could be argued that you can only use it via the Glide libraries

Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests

1999-05-19 Thread Joseph Carter
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 10:49:09AM -0400, Phillip R. Jaenke wrote: > > I find it offensive that you attack VA research, > > who provides many of the resources we enjoy > > as Debian developers. > > That's MY opinion. Not necessarily yours. I can't get a system without > RedHat preinstalled from VA

Re: Hints about future improvements

1999-05-19 Thread James Mastros
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 02:51:20AM +0200, Gabor Fleischer wrote: > I was thinking about this, and there's one thing which is not the > best it could be, I think: Let's see libc, and the packages that > are compiled from the same source, for example locales. [...] > > There could be a value in the

Re: (LONG) Correct non-US solution

1999-05-19 Thread Craig Sanders
On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 12:40:44AM -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote: > Package: ssh > Export-Restricted: United States > Import-Restricted: Russia, France i haven't had time to read or think about your entire proposal yet, but my initial reaction to this is that using country names is wrong, it shoul

Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests

1999-05-19 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 10:49:09AM -0400, Phillip R. Jaenke wrote: > That's MY opinion. Not necessarily yours. I can't get a system without > RedHat preinstalled from VA Research last I checked, they never returned > my calls, so as far as I'm concerned, they're about as good a company as > Compaq

Re: (LONG) Correct non-US solution

1999-05-19 Thread Jonathan Walther
Debian is about freedom, specifically freedom of software. Being seen as examplary citizens can only help our cause. We have a sterling reputation for high standards. I agree with you on using the two letter iso country codes. However, I don't see a need for the extra fields Use-Restricted and

Re: gpm problems in potato

1999-05-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 04:44:55PM -0500, Oleg Krivosheev wrote: > May 18 16:37:55 reboot /usr/sbin/gpm[109]: Error in protocol > May 18 16:37:55 reboot last message repeated 12 times > > visually, both gpm and X mouse work just fine > > any ideas/advices ? This is an artifact of the kernel hand

Re: Hints about future improvements

1999-05-19 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 02:51:20AM +0200, Gabor Fleischer was heard to say: > Hi everyone, > [snip] > > There could be a value in the control file like: Last-changed-version or > something similar. apt/dselect could decide from this wether it > needs to download

Re: Hints about future improvements

1999-05-19 Thread Mitch Blevins
In foo.debian-devel, you wrote: > I was browsing the debian-devel archives recently and came across an old > thread on distributing binary diffs of packages. Did anything ever come out > of > that? It looked pretty intriguing but even the program mentioned (xdiff) > seems > to have vanished f

Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests

1999-05-19 Thread Mark Mealman
-Original Message- From: Brian Almeida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Phillip R. Jaenke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Brent Fulgham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; debian-devel@lists.debian.org Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 7:35 PM Subject: Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests >On Tue, May 18, 1999

Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests

1999-05-19 Thread Aaron Van Couwenberghe
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 10:49:09AM -0400, Phillip R. Jaenke wrote: > On Tue, 18 May 1999, Brent Fulgham wrote: > > > > > RedCrap already has everyone where they want them; in their back > > > > pocket, filling their wallet more and more everyday. Alongside VA > > > > Research. > > I find it offens

Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests

1999-05-19 Thread Erik
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 07:24:40PM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote: > Ever tried mass-installing Debian? It's simply impossible -- complete, new > debian installations take at least two hours of babysitting. > > This makes debian a product VA is incapable of marketing. > > Of course, there ar

VA Research and linux.com

1999-05-19 Thread David Welton
Wow... Debian gets *lots* of publicity on linux.com. Very cool! -- David N. Welton< Sors immanis - et inanis - rota tu volubilis, [EMAIL PROTECTED]> status malus - vana salus - semper dissolubilis, http://www.efn.org/~davidw < obumbrata - et velata - michi quoque nit

Re: VA Research and linux.com

1999-05-19 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 19 May 1999 00:27:16 -0500, David Welton wrote: >Wow... Debian gets *lots* of publicity on linux.com. Very cool! Not that it does any good. "Wow, this site runs on Debian." *click* "Cool, a Linux computer." *click* "Whoa, I can only

Re: new arch required

1999-05-19 Thread Martin Schulze
Justin Maurer wrote: > > If you have a compiler packaged, somebody else is working on kernels, > > i am not sure when the kernel changes will be merged into the linus kernels. vger > would you like me to start a list on the ift server? i expect it will be > extremley low traffic until at least

Re: lost packages

1999-05-19 Thread Robert Woodcock
Michael Meskes wrote: >I just checked via dselect to see which packages on my slink/potato machine >are not found in the potato archive. I wonder what happened to them. >Here's my list (after removing the obvious ones like libgtk1.1.*): > >conf Oh my goodness! A conf user! I thought those all disa

Re: Intent to package: device3dfx

1999-05-19 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
One other problem, it needs big warnings, anyone with access to the device can crash the machine no problem... Its vaguely possible that it could also allow more, however I've never seen anyone mention such.. Zephaniah E. Hull.. On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 09:04:18PM +0100, Steve Haslam wrote: > Hi

Re: VA Research and linux.com

1999-05-19 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 12:27:16AM -0500, David Welton wrote: > Wow... Debian gets *lots* of publicity on linux.com. Very cool! Debian seems to be leaping major hurdles at VA.. They've gone from quietly giving va.debian.org to making big donations to the project to making active announcements th

Re: Compiling wordinspect for potato

1999-05-19 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 05:02:30PM -0400, Bob Hilliard wrote: > > I have recently adopted wordinspect and am trying to compile it > for potato. The slink version lists the following dependencies: > Depends: dict, libc6 (>= 2.0.7u), libglib1.1 (>= 1.1.3-2), libgtk1.1 > (>= 1:1.1.\2-2), xlib6g

Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests

1999-05-19 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 08:35:50PM -0400, Brian Almeida wrote: > a) Debian really has a long way to go for someone to do mass installs of it, > unattended. True. Do you think any systems vendor uses the normal installation procedure to install the system software on machines during production? I

Re: intent to package pa-risc stuff

1999-05-19 Thread Martin Schulze
Justin Maurer wrote: > > Justin, can you find out if those machines are binary compatible. > > I've heard that there are two general types flying around (5i and > > 3i, iirc). I wonder if one new architecture is enough or if we > > need both - like for mips. > > which two machines? the ones the p

Intent to package: apcupsd

1999-05-19 Thread Leon Breedt
apcupsd is a package to monitor and control APC UPS's. Leon -- Leon Breedt | Developer, Obsidian Systems Debian/GNU Linux| Because you want to get there...Today Debian Developer| [EMAIL PROTECTED] Make it

Re: Intent to package: device3dfx

1999-05-19 Thread Steve Haslam
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 03:52:11AM -0400, Zephaniah E. Hull wrote: > One other problem, it needs big warnings, anyone with access to the > device can crash the machine no problem... > > Its vaguely possible that it could also allow more, however I've never > seen anyone mention such.. Someone nee

Re: Intent to package: apcupsd

1999-05-19 Thread Remco van de Meent
Leon Breedt wrote: > apcupsd is a package to monitor and control APC UPS's. May I ask you where I can download its source code? :) I was looking for it some time ago and wasnt able to find any sources of relatively new versions of apcupsd. Anyways, great to have this package in Debian. Regard

Re: better /etc/init.d/network

1999-05-19 Thread Goswin Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On May 18, Erik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Howabout instead of having eth0, eth1, etc. have like home, work, etc. > >the files could then have an extra section, called DEVICE or something, that > You could make a symlink. Nope, that would start

Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests

1999-05-19 Thread Christian Meder
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 06:10:34PM -0500, David Welton wrote: > > RedCrap already has everyone where they want them; in their back > > pocket, filling their wallet more and more everyday. Alongside VA > > Research. > > As far as Big Companies go, redhat isn't so bad. Be very thankful > they didn't

Re: Hints about future improvements

1999-05-19 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Gabor Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi everyone, > > some days ago someone had a question about cutting a package into > parts. The answer was yes, and one of the reasons: it can decrease > the downloads which is espetially good if someone has modem... > > I was thinking about this

Re: (LONG) Correct non-US solution

1999-05-19 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 12:20:35PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > Perhaps a better goal (although significantly more difficult) would be > to design a system where we can have multiple symmetric masters, where > you can upload to any of them, and the propagate packages amongst > themselves. The Comp

Re: Intent to package: apcupsd

1999-05-19 Thread Martin Mitchell
On Wed, 19 May 1999, Remco van de Meent wrote: > Leon Breedt wrote: > > apcupsd is a package to monitor and control APC UPS's. > > May I ask you where I can download its source code? :) http://www.brisse.dk/site/apcupsd/index.htm#TOP > I was looking for it some time ago and wasnt able to find a

re: ITP: netleds [retract]

1999-05-19 Thread Michael Beattie
Um, It is very similar to tleds, and it is not really worth it, tleds has many more better features... Therfore, I hereby retract my ITP netleds. Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) PGP Key available, reply with "pgpkey" as subject.

Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests

1999-05-19 Thread Aaron Van Couwenberghe
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 10:17:11PM -0700, Erik wrote: > Well, actualy i have semi-mass installed machines...I did 30 or so machines, > all i really had to do was put all the packages i wanted to install into > a single dir that i nfs mounted(from the base system). i dpkg -i'd those with > a progra

Re: (LONG) Correct non-US solution

1999-05-19 Thread Richard Kaszeta
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho writes ("Re: (LONG) Correct non-US solution"): >On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 12:20:35PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: >> Perhaps a better goal (although significantly more difficult) would be >> to design a system where we can have multiple symmetric masters, where >> you can upload

Re: (LONG) Correct non-US solution

1999-05-19 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 08:26:21AM -0500, Richard Kaszeta wrote: > Note that CTAN recently has split their archive into main and non-free > trees based upon licenses like we do. :) Yes, I've noticed it. What criteria do they use? The DFSG? The OSD? A YAFSG (yet another free software guideline)

Intent to maintainer change: kterm

1999-05-19 Thread ISHIKAWA Mutsumi
Package: kterm Kterm package's mainainer Yoshiaki Yanagihara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is very very busy in his main work. He can't maintain some packages. kterm is one of them. We disccussed this point, and I will take over kterm's maintainer. I will upload the package in this week end. - Wed

Intent to maintainer change: canna

1999-05-19 Thread ISHIKAWA Mutsumi
Package: canna canna package's mainainer Yoshiaki Yanagihara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is very very busy in his main work. He can't maintain some packages. Canna is one of them. We disccussed this point, and I will take over kterm's maintainer. Canna is a japanese input system. I will upload the

Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-19 Thread Aaron Van Couwenberghe
Hello, esteemed members of the Debian enthusiast community! Over the last year and a half, as I have been involved in the Debian project, dpkg's shortcomings have been becoming ever more clear to me. Anybody who has worked any significant amount on dpkg knows that its sources are extremely

Intent to maintainer change: im

1999-05-19 Thread ISHIKAWA Mutsumi
Package: im IM package's mainainer Yoshiaki Yanagihara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is very very busy in his main work. He can't maintain some packages. IM is one of them. We disccussed this point, and I will take over kterm's maintainer. IM is "Internet Message", Mail and News Message Dispatch Agent

Re: Hints about future improvements

1999-05-19 Thread Gabor Fleischer
On 19 May 1999, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > Its rather difficult to split package into the right amount of > chunks. Each chunk has some overhead for download and state > information (/var/lib/dpcg gets big). I think the idea of bindiffs > would be far more usefull. I wouldn't go as far. I'm not thi

Re: Intent to maintainer change: canna

1999-05-19 Thread Brian Almeida
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 11:14:18PM +0900, ISHIKAWA Mutsumi wrote: > Package: canna > > canna package's mainainer Yoshiaki Yanagihara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is > very very busy in his main work. He can't maintain some > packages. Canna is one of them. > > We disccussed this point, and I will take o

Intent to maintainer change: kon2 and konfont

1999-05-19 Thread ISHIKAWA Mutsumi
Package: kon2 Package: konfont KON2 and konfont packages' mainainer Yoshiaki Yanagihara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is very very busy in his main work. He can't maintain some packages. KON2 and konfont is one of them. We disccussed this point, and I will take over kterm's maintainer. KON2 is Kanji O

Re: pending normal debian bugs for debian-devel@lists.debian.org

1999-05-19 Thread Bob Hilliard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > > On May 18, Nag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >#20734 general autoup.sh >http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/20/20734.html > >#20743 general autoup.sh: wtmp, utmp and btmp

Source for install program

1999-05-19 Thread Tyger Sunshine-Hill
I'm trying to find the source code to the debian install program (Boot 1 and 2) but can't locate it on the FTP. Can anyone point me to it? ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

Re: Intent to maintainer change: canna

1999-05-19 Thread ISHIKAWA Mutsumi
Brian Almeida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote Subject: Re: Intent to maintainer change: canna Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Usually, you don't need to announce a maintainer change to the lists if it's >> already been agreed to by both the old and new maintainers, just mark >> something like

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-19 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 05:24:08AM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote: > Why C++? Well, personally, I have been seeing all of these > applications pop recently that are for package management, aside from dpkg. > Examples include dconfig and apt. Other ideas have been floating about, like > s

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-19 Thread shaleh
> > Hello, esteemed members of the Debian enthusiast community! > > So, whether or not I recieve the approval of this community, I'm > going to be working on a complete rewrite of dpkg. No, it won't even > *resemble* the old dpkg; I guarantee it to become contraversial. I'll let > the masse

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-19 Thread Christian Kurz
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 03:32:20PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > I'm not the only one to be annoyed at the nag messages that are sent out. > > > Can the script please be disabled. There are better ways to find out bugs > > > you have ope

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-19 Thread Ossama Othman
Hellow Aaron and fellow Debian enthusiasts. :-) Aaron, I would like to get involved with your attempt at rewriting dpkg, especially since it is something I've considered attempting. -Ossama -- Ossama Othman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Center for Distributed Object Computing, Washington University, St. L

Re: Source for install program

1999-05-19 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 07:40:57AM -0700, Tyger Sunshine-Hill wrote: > I'm trying to find the source code to the debian install program (Boot 1 and > 2) but can't locate it on the FTP. Can anyone point me to it? See the package boot-floppies. -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] %

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-19 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Anthony, On 20 May, Anthony Towns wrote: > One alternative that's probably worth considering is improving libdpkg, so > that Apt and friends can make use of dpkg that way, and provide their own > front ends however they see fit. I don't think that is a "complete" solution. Improving libdpk

Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests

1999-05-19 Thread John van V.
Hi, Yeah, you can say "I told you so" even though... I thought my email got censured... I guess it just got lost, this deb-devel list is busy !! I'm shooting for trinux... it has all the things I like about corporate teamwork like security type integrity and qa controls. And none of the other n

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-19 Thread Brian Almeida
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 04:45:11PM +0200, Christian Kurz wrote: > And what do you propose should be done with bugs that are so old? Still > let them stay open and look somewhere else? No, that isn't a solution. > The solution is to contact the developer and ask them about the bugs and > try to trac

Re: locale problem with latest packages

1999-05-19 Thread Michael Meskes
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 08:47:20PM +0200, J.H.M. Dassen wrote: > The requirements have been strenghtened; a proper locale now looks like > LC_CTYPE=en_US.iso-8859-1 > so you may want to try LC_CTYPE=de_DE.iso-8859-1 . Hmm, after installing -6 all works well again without changing the locale

Re: VA Research and linux.com

1999-05-19 Thread David Bristel
Yep, that's my thought as well. Now, a boxed Debian/book set that gets sold in the software, not just the book section of stores. THAT would not only increase sales of the book, but would make Debian a LOT more popular, and get us more publicity as a distribution. It wouldn't even constitute sel

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-19 Thread Marek Habersack
* Aaron Van Couwenberghe said: > Notably, I'm going to be writing it in C++. This will add about 270k > to the boot disks' root image, but as the floppy install methods are for the > most part phasing out under the shadow of easier methods, I'm not going to Are you sure about that? If yes, t

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-19 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 10:03:12AM -0500, Ossama Othman wrote: > Hi Anthony, > > And I don't particularly think it's much of a gain to say "You want > > access to dpkg's internals? Just use C++!". C++ is all well and good, > > but it's not *that* good. > > Hrm. I would have to disagree with yo

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-19 Thread Marek Habersack
* Ossama Othman said: > > One alternative that's probably worth considering is improving libdpkg, so > > that Apt and friends can make use of dpkg that way, and provide their own > > front ends however they see fit. > > I don't think that is a "complete" solution. Improving libdpkg would > be

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-19 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 10:03:12AM -0500, Ossama Othman wrote: > On 20 May, Anthony Towns wrote: > > One alternative that's probably worth considering is improving libdpkg, so > > that Apt and friends can make use of dpkg that way, and provide their own > > front ends however they see fit. > I d

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Wed, May 19, 1999 at 05:24:08AM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe écrivait: > constructive feedback and ideas is encouraged to respond, but negative > responses will be ignored. Whether or not the community approves of this, > I will pursue it, and let the chips fall where they may. And what about

mass-installing Debian

1999-05-19 Thread Dean Carpenter
I've been thinking a bit about the need for mass-installations. Having done a few of them, it gets to be a tad tedious ... Currently, the preinst and postinst scripts ask the user questions, and make changes according to the responses. Instead of that, we need a general service script that proce

telnet98_98.02.16.orig.tar.gz is wrong

1999-05-19 Thread Fumitoshi UKAI
Hi, I don't know which (pseudo-)package I should submit to, so I post it to this list. It seems telnet98_98.02.16.orig.tar.gz in non-us.debian.org:/debian-non-US/dists/potato/main/source differs from that of telnet98_98.02.16-3.dsc. Altough telnet98_98.02.16-3.dsc says dcf4de07acc43f3753f4e8e

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-19 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Marek, On 19 May, Marek Habersack wrote: > * Ossama Othman said: > > I don't think that is a "complete" solution. Improving libdpkg would > > be good but, as Aaron described, that would just be adding/modifying > > code to code that is already "brittle." > Well, a complete rewrite and red

Listing of Debian hosted cutting-edge software

1999-05-19 Thread Brimhall, GeoffreyX L
Over the last few days quite a few cutting-edge development projects have been posted. In particular, Qt2.0 beta at http://master.debian.org/~heiko/qt2/, Configurator Panel at http://linuxlabs.lci.ufrj.br/~lages/cpanel Does debian maintain a list of other cutting-edge software developments which

re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-19 Thread Kenneth Scharf
PLEASEtalk to the guys at Coral! They have been putting out some ideas in this area. PS: I'm not (yet) a developer, I'd like to learn more about the 'nuts and bolts' of the distribution and programming specifics for linux (I've been playing around with gtk++ and VDK for a while now) before I

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-19 Thread Marek Habersack
* Ossama Othman said: > > > be good but, as Aaron described, that would just be adding/modifying > > > code to code that is already "brittle." > > Well, a complete rewrite and redesign in C would help... > > Yep, I agree. Although, I still like Aaron's idea. Yes, it is nice as a venture, IMHO

Re: mass-installing Debian

1999-05-19 Thread tony mancill
On 19 May 1999, Dean Carpenter wrote: > I've been thinking a bit about the need for mass-installations. Having > done a few of them, it gets to be a tad tedious ... > > Currently, the preinst and postinst scripts ask the user questions, and > make changes according to the responses. Instead of

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-19 Thread Marek Habersack
* Kenneth Scharf said: > (I've been playing around with gtk++ and VDK for a while now) before I > would even consider it. I currently write stuff for an NT platform > under C++ using the Rational Rose OO modeling tool, so I agree with > your idea of using C++ for this work. GOOD LUCK! NT (and M$

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-19 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 19 May 1999, Christian Kurz wrote: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 03:32:20PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm not the only one to be annoyed at the nag messages that are sent > > > > out. > > > > Can the script please be disab

Re: [ITP/mostly packaged] hftpd

1999-05-19 Thread Edward Betts
On Tue, 18 May, 1999, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 02:26:09PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > > Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Because too many people don't use debian kernel images. > > > > If people don't use the tools, then they don't get the benefits of the > >

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-19 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 12:35:27PM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > No one needs to take on that job, as the BTS already reports all open bugs > twice a week to every developer. It does? It sure didn't send that anything like that to me... -- enJoy -*/\*- http://jagor.srce.hr/~jrodin/

Re: mass-installing Debian

1999-05-19 Thread Illo de' Illis
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:12:29AM -0700, Dean Carpenter wrote: > Now during installation, the exim preinst and postinst scripts would > source the install-response file, creating the variables with the > responses they need. At this point, it's just as if they've asked the > questions and retriev

Re: Bug#37602: apt: Segfault at the end of apt-get

1999-05-19 Thread Joey Hess
Joost Kooij wrote: > > If you're talking about the files in /etc/menu-methods/, those are not > > programs, they are merly scripts interpreted by install-menu and > > install-fvwmgenmenu. > > I think we can agree that the programs/scripts are guilty of causing the > segfaults? This is a "script"

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 11:08:02AM -0400, Brian Almeida wrote: > Considering the X bug list, I'm sure branden got a quite large mailing from > 'Nag' > about old bugs - yet from what I understand, he can't possibly go through > that list > until some modifications are done to the BTS. 'Nag' also

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-19 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 05:23:47PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: > Please don't go into the C++ vs C flamewar here, ... > > it is as possible to do bad and unmaintainable code in C++ as it is > possible to do good and maintainable code in C or another not OO > language. > > what you need is good desi

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-19 Thread Christian Kurz
[You don't need to send me an extra Cc as I read the lists on which I write. Thanks!] Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 19 May 1999, Christian Kurz wrote: > > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 03:32:20PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-19 Thread Christian Kurz
Brian Almeida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 04:45:11PM +0200, Christian Kurz wrote: > > And what do you propose should be done with bugs that are so old? Still > > let them stay open and look somewhere else? No, that isn't a solution. > > The solution is to contact the develo

Re: Bug#37602: apt: Segfault at the end of apt-get

1999-05-19 Thread Joost Kooij
Hi, On Wed, 19 May 1999, Joey Hess wrote: > This is a "script" > > #!/bin/cat > hello, world! There is no official definition of "script" and "program" that I know of. So, although I can understand your sentiments, I certainly do not agree with your strictness in the matter. But again, this is

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-19 Thread Brian Almeida
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 03:28:16PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: > I'd like to correct you on this point. > > I can and do periodically go through the massive list of ancient bugs > against X. It's just too much for me to handle. In many cases there is > too little information in the bug report

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 05:24:08AM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote: > So, whether or not I recieve the approval of this community, I'm > going to be working on a complete rewrite of dpkg. No, it won't even > *resemble* the old dpkg; I guarantee it to become contraversial. I'll let > the m

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-19 Thread Brian Almeida
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:28:33PM +0200, Christian Kurz wrote: > So where's the problem with getting an reminder about your old open > bugs, which you need to fix? I don't NEED a reminder about my bugs. There should be an option to TURN THE BLOODY THING OFF. -- Brian Almeida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: better /etc/init.d/network

1999-05-19 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 19, Craig Brozefsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >This would make is easier for programs like ipmasq or leafnode or >whatever to put hooks to start themselves up or shut themselves down >as an itnerface goes up or down. Perhaps we even do soemthing like: > >/etc/network/eth0.postup.lea

Re: Two sets of packages for slink and potato. How to version?

1999-05-19 Thread James Mastros
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 03:45:23PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > The problem is the versioning. How to choose the version numbers in the two > sets so that users will automatically get the potato package when they will > choose to replace 'stable' by 'unstable' (or when potato will become s

Intent to package: GNOME User's Guide, english version

1999-05-19 Thread Martin Bialasinski
Hi, I will package the GNOME User's Guide, as I want to include it with the GNOME update for slink. I will do the english version for now, maybe later the other languages as well. But someone else is free to pick them up. The license is GPL, source is available at http://www.gnome.org/users-guid

Re: better /etc/init.d/network

1999-05-19 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 02:36:15PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > >This would make is easier for programs like ipmasq or leafnode or > >whatever to put hooks to start themselves up or shut themselves down > >as an itnerface goes up or down. Perhaps we even do soemthing like: > > > >/etc/network

Re: better /etc/init.d/network

1999-05-19 Thread Craig Brozefsky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On May 19, Craig Brozefsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >This would make is easier for programs like ipmasq or leafnode or > >whatever to put hooks to start themselves up or shut themselves down > >as an itnerface goes up or down. Perhaps we even

Intent to orphan: libcdaudio

1999-05-19 Thread Dima Barsky
I am going to orphan two packages - libcdaudio and libcdaudio-dev. The "grip" package, which I maintain, does not use libcdaudio any more. Cdgrab also used to depend on libcdaudio, but it does not any more. There is only one problem with those packages - the new upstream is available, and James Tr

Re: Bug#37602: apt: Segfault at the end of apt-get

1999-05-19 Thread Joey Hess
Joost Kooij wrote: > Technically, I wholeheartedly agree with you in the above matter. The > problem _at_hand_ is that a lot of people are seeing a "segmentation > fault" message. The /primary/ causes are the buggy scripts in > /etc/menu-methods and these should be fixed first. No, the primary

Re: better /etc/init.d/network

1999-05-19 Thread Michel Onstein
On Sun, 16 May 1999, Massimo Dal Zotto wrote: > Hi, > > # /etc/network/eth0 > IPADDR=192.168.0.1 > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > NETWORK=192.168.0.0 > BROADCAST=192.168.0.255 > GATEWAY=192.168.0.1 > As we're discussing things here... i think it's important that we add the possbility to at

Re: better /etc/init.d/network

1999-05-19 Thread shaleh
> > If there's noone objecting to the addition of IPv6 stuff to the interface > we could work out a proper way of specifying it on the debian-ipv6 list. > IPv6 is supposed to be the future so either we do it now or later. Might as well be now.

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-19 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 19 May 1999, Christian Kurz wrote: > [You don't need to send me an extra Cc as I read the lists on which I > write. Thanks!] > > Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 19 May 1999, Christian Kurz wrote: > > > > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Tue, May

Developer's version of rxvt available

1999-05-19 Thread Brian Mays
Since the last "official" release of rxvt is so old and out-of-date (it is a year and a half old), I have released the latest developer's version of rxvt in a new package, called rxvt-beta. Rxvt users, please help me test this package. It currently works with the new pty scheme and utmp/wtmp form

stupid idea - metapackages

1999-05-19 Thread Oleg Krivosheev
Hi, all looking into GNOME i got some (maybe stupid) idea: what about creating empty packages only to satisfy dependancies and be able to install loosy related set of packages. Metapackage seems to be the right name for such creature ;) for example wmaker_gnome.deb will depends on full GNOME+wm

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-19 Thread Tom Lear
On Wed, 19 May 1999, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote: > Notably, I'm going to be writing it in C++. This will add about 270k > to the boot disks' root image, but as the floppy install methods are for the > most part phasing out under the shadow of easier methods, I'm not going to > lose any sle

Vacation for one week

1999-05-19 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
Hi, I'm going on vacation tomorrow until May 27. Going with a nice Python tradition, my last action is an upload of a new revision of the Python packages (although I didn't manage to finish the Zope packages right in time ;-). Please feel free to make non-maintainer uploads if any serious problem

Re: stupid idea - metapackages

1999-05-19 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 04:40:14PM -0500, Oleg Krivosheev wrote: > looking into GNOME i got some (maybe stupid) idea: > > what about creating empty packages only to satisfy dependancies and > be able to install loosy related set of packages. Metapackage > seems to be the right name for such creatu

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-19 Thread Christian Meder
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:24:19PM +0200, Christian Kurz wrote: > Well what is the problem with this? I don't see any offence in getting a > message that says that I (the maintainer) has still open bug over a > certain age. I think this is a good reminder for the maintainers as you > may forget to

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