Re: seeking new maintainer: lilo

1999-01-30 Thread Vincent Renardias
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > who would liek to take the lilo package over? > > There are a few pending bugs, most of the dealing with the lack of an > intelligent install script (which should be included in the bootfloppies, > too). I'll have a try at it unless nobody else reall

Re: stupid stats (was Re: xfree86_3.3.2.3a-9 (source i386 all) uploaded to master)

1999-01-30 Thread Joey Hess
David Welton wrote: > Well, often times, those packages are more complex than single binary > packages. No way is epic as difficult to maintain as X, yet, if I'm > not mistaken, they each have just one source package. > > It would be neat to do both stats, and then compare. I actually did the o

Re: i18n'g the Debian Menu System

1999-01-30 Thread Joey Hess
Have you looked at how the author of the package intended this to be handled? See /etc/menu-methods/translate-menus. An example from that file: #translate id->title # include /usr/lib/menus/LANGUAGE/finnish # menu/apps/editors TekstVeranderaars #endtranslate This can make translating the actua

Re: cron has gone to UTC time?

1999-01-30 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Joey Hess wrote: > Craig Sanders wrote: > > i've noticed this behaviour in the past, when xntp gets upgraded in the > > same dselect run as cron or sysklogd. > > I doubt this is it because I've experienced the problem on 2 machines; > neither runs xntpd or any other time sync

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Mark W. Eichin
> use -rpath /usr/lib for their programs. Just to make it clear, since I don't think this has come up yet, /usr/lib isn't the only problem -- /usr/X11R6/lib is as well (or was, at some point; I haven't looked at the upstream XFree86 Imake configuration recently, but it did use --rpath at one point

Re: cron has gone to UTC time?

1999-01-30 Thread Mark W. Eichin
> to your cron file that does 'date' and 'date -u'? Set it to run more I haven't seen the problem yet myself, but throw in an "env" too... I've noted (in a bug report in regard to inetd) that doing "apt-get upgrade" with sudo or su with a full *user* environment often means that you end up with an

Re: Intent to package : xmem

1999-01-30 Thread Mark W. Eichin
I'm pretty sure xmem was in procps or xproc at one point, and got dropped because it wasn't being maintained upstream, or something like that...

Re: Seeking Helmut Geyer

1999-01-30 Thread Martin Mitchell
Daniel Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Helmut Geyer is listed as the maintainer for xxgdb and bzip - xxgdb > hasn't had a maintainer upload since when bo was frozen, and bzip's > last maintainer upload was longer ago than that. Mail sent to his > listed address goes unanswered, but maybe tha

Re: LyX copyright

1999-01-30 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 03:18:18PM -0500, Shaleh wrote: > > I just learned that the LyX copyright file was corrected to explicitely > > state that linking against a non-free library is okay. This however wasn't > > really needed as 'The law is quite clear that the release of the software by > > the

Re: libtool & rpath

1999-01-30 Thread Jim Pick
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A package I maintain uses libtool. To remove the rpath stuff, I > apply this patch to configure.in. Actually, I sort of like the following technique better: Add the following to debian/rules right before calling "$(MAKE) all" (but after configure):

Re: What hack in ld.so?

1999-01-30 Thread Guy Maor
Buddha Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > does it know that libc5 and libc6 are incompatable versions of the > same library (different sonames), or does it feel that loading two > libraries (libfoo, libc6) is better than loading three (libfoo, > libc5, libc6). It recognizes libc, libm, and libdl

Re: [Fwd: [Jikes-License] Jikes Parser Generator now available i

1999-01-30 Thread Jim Pick
Brent Fulgham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Try Japhar/Classpath: > > www.japhar.org -- free JDK (compiler, runtime, debugger, etc.) > www.classpath.org -- free implementation of the essential java libraries Plus... www.transvirtual.com -- Kaffe JIT www.mozilla.org -- ElectricalFire JIT Cheer

Re: /usr/lib/libgnomeui.so.0: undefined symbol: argp_program_version

1999-01-30 Thread Jim Pick
"Ivan E. Moore II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > /usr/lib/libgnomeui.so.0: undefined symbol: argp_program_version > > This happens with some of the GNOME based packages I've installed > from both slink and potatoe lately... > > Any ideas what I'm missing or what I did??? You probably have mixe

Re: Call for mascot! :-)

1999-01-30 Thread Jim Pick
Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Bialasinski) writes: > >Hmm, with a strong enough improbability field, you will see dragons in >the sky. > > Dragons and octopi in the sky are Somebody Else's Problem. Flying Octopi? Sounds like a Detroit Red Wings gam

Re: Getting Slink compatible with Linux-2.2.0

1999-01-30 Thread Guy Maor
Avery Pennarun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Six orders of magnitude?? Bandwidth and latency are not the same thing. Guy

Re: /usr/lib/libgnomeui.so.0: undefined symbol: argp_program_version

1999-01-30 Thread Ivan E. Moore II
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 12:07:29AM -0800, Jim Pick wrote: > > /usr/lib/libgnomeui.so.0: undefined symbol: argp_program_version > > You probably have mixed some of the 0.99.x packages and the 0.30 packages. ---end quoted text--- yup..after digging and playing I found out that some of the programs

Re: seeking new maintainer: lilo

1999-01-30 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 12:35:31AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > Hello, > > who would liek to take the lilo package over? > > There are a few pending bugs, most of the dealing with the lack of an > intelligent install script (which should be included in the bootfloppies, > too). I wouldn't min

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Jim Pick
Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, January 29 1999, Ionutz Borcoman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro > te: > |Hi, > | > |Is the gnuclient/gnuserv broken in XEmacs ? Using the latest versions > |from potato I am no more able to start a gnuclient :-( Is anybody else > |experiencing this ? >

Re: LyX copyright

1999-01-30 Thread Michael Meskes
On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 03:18:18PM -0500, Shaleh wrote: > That allows it to live in contrib -- woopie. Until they have a non forms > based > GUI, it matters little. But noone will ask for the removal of LyX anymore. Michael -- Michael Meskes | Go SF 49ers! Th.-Heuss-St

Conflicts in libgtk*-dev

1999-01-30 Thread Ole J. Tetlie
Am I overlooking something obvious here? libgtk1.1.13-dev provides libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev but libgtk1.1-dev conflicts with libgtk-dev this means that gnome-apt refuses to install libgtk1.1.13-dev, a package that I sorely need. Aren't these relationships somewhat odd. -- Eschew obfuscati

Re: Conflicts in libgtk*-dev

1999-01-30 Thread Jules Bean
On 30 Jan 1999, Ole J. Tetlie wrote: > Am I overlooking something obvious here? > > libgtk1.1.13-dev provides libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev > > but > > libgtk1.1-dev conflicts with libgtk-dev > > this means that gnome-apt refuses to install libgtk1.1.13-dev, > a package that I sorely need. Aren

Re: /usr/lib/apt/methods/http - close(-1)

1999-01-30 Thread rjk
Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What is a close(-1) supposed to do? The http program does one and > I'm curious as to why... It usually means someone isn't checking the return value from open/socket/etc... -- http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

Re: Conflicts in libgtk*-dev

1999-01-30 Thread Ole J. Tetlie
*-Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | On 30 Jan 1999, Ole J. Tetlie wrote: | | > Am I overlooking something obvious here? | > | > libgtk1.1.13-dev provides libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev | > | > but | > | > libgtk1.1-dev conflicts with libgtk-dev | > | > this means that gnome-apt refuses to insta

Re: Conflicts in libgtk*-dev

1999-01-30 Thread Jules Bean
On 30 Jan 1999, Ole J. Tetlie wrote: > *-Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > | On 30 Jan 1999, Ole J. Tetlie wrote: > | > | > Am I overlooking something obvious here? > | > > | > libgtk1.1.13-dev provides libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev > | > > | > but > | > > | > libgtk1.1-dev conflicts with li

Re: Conflicts in libgtk*-dev

1999-01-30 Thread Ole J. Tetlie
*-Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | The fact that the *actual* libgtk1.1-dev package conflicts with | libgtk-dev, does not mean that the package libgtk1.13-dev, which provides | libgtk1.1-dev, must conflict with libgtk-dev. | | Or, in the abstract: | | If A conflicts with B, and C provides A, th

Re: Conflicts in libgtk*-dev

1999-01-30 Thread Jules Bean
On 30 Jan 1999, Ole J. Tetlie wrote: > *-Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > | The fact that the *actual* libgtk1.1-dev package conflicts with > | libgtk-dev, does not mean that the package libgtk1.13-dev, which provides > | libgtk1.1-dev, must conflict with libgtk-dev. > | > | Or, in the abstra

Re: Call for mascot! :-)

1999-01-30 Thread Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
* Chris Waters (Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 10:14:15AM -0800) > 1. Dragon Aye! -- SSM - Stig Sandbeck Mathisen Trust the Computer, the Computer is your Friend pgpBVRhU7iSbR.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: libtool & rpath

1999-01-30 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 11:39:27PM -0800, Jim Pick wrote: > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > A package I maintain uses libtool. To remove the rpath stuff, I > > apply this patch to configure.in. > > Actually, I sort of like the following technique better: [...] > That way, there

suggestion: www.debian.org package list show the URL of the program

1999-01-30 Thread Shaleh
how hard would it be to have the Packages pages on the Debian web site show the packages home URL, i.e. where the author is? A few times I have been hunting for this because I needed a bsd or Sun version of a program. Downloading the orig.tar.gz and looking inside can be cumbersome.

Re: suggestion: www.debian.org package list show the URL of the program

1999-01-30 Thread Johnie Ingram
"Shaleh" == Shaleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Shaleh> how hard would it be to have the Packages pages on the Debian Shaleh> web site show the packages home URL, i.e. where the author is? Shaleh> A few times I have been hunting for this because I needed a Shaleh> bsd or Sun version of a program.

Re: suggestion: www.debian.org package list show the URL of the program

1999-01-30 Thread Ben Pfaff
Shaleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: how hard would it be to have the Packages pages on the Debian web site show the packages home URL, i.e. where the author is? A few times I have been hunting for this because I needed a bsd or Sun version of a program. Downloading the orig.tar.gz an

Re: suggestion: www.debian.org package list show the URL of the

1999-01-30 Thread Shaleh
On 30-Jan-99 Johnie Ingram wrote: > > "Shaleh" == Shaleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Shaleh> how hard would it be to have the Packages pages on the Debian > Shaleh> web site show the packages home URL, i.e. where the author is? > Shaleh> A few times I have been hunting for this because I ne

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Frozen Rose
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ionutz Borcoman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Is the gnuclient/gnuserv broken in XEmacs ? Using the latest versions >from potato I am no more able to start a gnuclient :-( Is anybody else >experiencing this ? There have been various problems reported with gnuclient/

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Martin Mitchell
Enrique Zanardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Jan 31, 1999 at 12:21:00AM +1100, Martin Mitchell wrote: > > Adam Di Carlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Package: dpkg > > > Version: 1.4.0.31 > > > Severity: important > > > > > > Please remove the following methods (based on disk):

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Sun, Jan 31, 1999 at 02:21:38AM +1100, Martin Mitchell wrote: > Enrique Zanardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sun, Jan 31, 1999 at 12:21:00AM +1100, Martin Mitchell wrote: > > > I strongly object to removing all of those except cdrom. I don't find apt > > > adequate for my needs at this

RE: suggestion: www.debian.org package list show the URL of the

1999-01-30 Thread Shaleh
D'uh. The copyright file is one of those itsy bitsy links on the lower left. On 30-Jan-99 Shaleh wrote: > how hard would it be to have the Packages pages on the Debian web site show > the > packages home URL, i.e. where the author is? A few times I have been hunting > for this because I needed

Re: suggestion: www.debian.org package list show the URL of the program

1999-01-30 Thread James A. Treacy
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 10:13:38AM -0500, Ben Pfaff wrote: > Shaleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >how hard would it be to have the Packages pages on the Debian web site > show the >packages home URL, i.e. where the author is? A few times I have been > hunting >for this because I ne

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Martin Mitchell
Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 31 Jan 1999, Martin Mitchell wrote: > > > Adam Di Carlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Package: dpkg > > > Version: 1.4.0.31 > > > Severity: important > > > > > > Please remove the following methods (based on disk): > > > > > > harddisk > >

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Jules Bean
On 31 Jan 1999, Martin Mitchell wrote: > 1) A m68k computer with a 60Mb debian installation. Normally I use the nfs > method. Apt is just not feasible, it wants to copy everything over before > it starts - there simply isn't space on the disk to do this. Also the > runtime cost of starting dpkg on

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Steve Dunham
Jim Pick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Fri, January 29 1999, Ionutz Borcoman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro > > te: > > |Hi, > > | > > |Is the gnuclient/gnuserv broken in XEmacs ? Using the latest versions > > |from potato I am no more able to start a gn

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Chris Walker
Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >On 31 Jan 1999, Martin Mitchell wrote: >> 1) A m68k computer with a 60Mb debian installation. Normally I use the nfs >> method. Apt is just not feasible, it wants to copy everything over before >> it starts - there simply isn't space on the disk to do this

Re: Conflicts in libgtk*-dev

1999-01-30 Thread Ben Gertzfield
> "Ole" == Ole J Tetlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ole> Am I overlooking something obvious here? libgtk1.1.13-dev Ole> provides libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev Ole> but Ole> libgtk1.1-dev conflicts with libgtk-dev libgtk1.1-dev is really an obsolete package in potato. Think o

Re: Call for mascot! :-)

1999-01-30 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 10:14:15AM -0800, Chris Waters wrote: > I brought this up on IRC, and got the following suggestions: > > 1. Dragon (well-liked choice on IRC) > 2. Octopus (my own suggestion) > 3. Monkey > 4. Ant > 5. Bee > > Personally, I think octopi are really cute, they're smart

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread M.C. Vernon
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > On Sun, Jan 31, 1999 at 02:21:38AM +1100, Martin Mitchell wrote: > > Enrique Zanardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > What about dpkg-multicd? > > > > I have no objection to cdrom being replaced with dpkg-multicd. > > But dpkg-multicd is more t

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-30 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
> > but I haven't heard any technical reasons besides, "Moving spool > > directories is hard". When I and others have pointed out that moving > > the spool directory isn't required; just a symlink, I have heard dead > > silence. So the lack of technical discussion, but just a stony-silence > > "N

Re: suggestion: www.debian.org package list show the URL of the program

1999-01-30 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
** Please trim the recipient list as appropriate if you reply. Please, don't CC me if you're responding to this message on this list. ** On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 10:52:07AM -0500, James A. Treacy wrote: > The copyright files are already available. The changelog and copyright file links do n

Re: Installation Profiles [was: Re: Reality check!]

1999-01-30 Thread M.C. Vernon
> [ redundant emacs versions ] > > Well, I'll suggest that for potato. It will start a nice flame-war on > > debian-devel "emacs vs. xemacs". > > > Hey, that's just what we need at this stage for *slink*! >:-) > > Okay, let's be serious again: unfortunately this actually means that > some of th

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-30 Thread Alan Cox
> Technical reasons for making the change; > > a. Compatibility with the majority of existing unix systems. Incompatibility with the majority of Linux systems. Incompatibility with the majority of Linux packages. > b. See a. It can not be stressed enough. If FHS is ever to get OUT > of

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Enrique Zanardi
[ Please, don't CC: me. I'm subscribed to -devel, -boot and -testing. Three copies of the same message are enough. ;-) ] [ Also, I've trimmed down the CC list, as I think this thread is being cross-posted to too many lists... ] On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 06:03:54PM +, M.C. Vernon wrote: > On Sat,

Re: suggestion: www.debian.org package list show the URL of the program

1999-01-30 Thread James A. Treacy
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 08:08:49PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 10:52:07AM -0500, James A. Treacy wrote: > > The copyright files are already available. > > The changelog and copyright file links do not seem to work for all > packages. Trying to fetch mixal's copyr

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Sun, Jan 31, 1999 at 03:00:01AM +1100, Martin Mitchell wrote: > Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Would you outline the ways in which apt is not adequate to your needs, and > > these packages are? > > 1) A m68k computer with a 60Mb debian installation. Normally I use the nfs > metho

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Jules Bean
On 30 Jan 1999, Chris Walker wrote: > > [1]Useful in UK academia where you have a fast network connection to a > mirror site. In Uk academia, the most useful site is http://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/debian J /+---+-\ | Jeli

Crack? Cops?

1999-01-30 Thread Bear Giles
I noticed in my slink snapshot (from last month) that 'cracklib2' exists, 'crack-dict' is suggested but *doesn't* exist (either as a package or in the 'Packages' list), and 'crack' is nowhere to be seen. Is the omission of 'crack' deliberate, or does it need a maintainer? US export policy should b

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-30 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Alan Cox wrote: > > I'd like to propose that for now the FHS is changed to read > > "The mail spool area location is undefined. It is guaranteed that both > /var/mail and /var/spool/mail point to this mail spool area if the system > has a mail spool. The preferred referenc

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Gudmundur Ragnar
Hello, Warning ! this is potato talk. On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 04:12:05PM +, Jules Bean wrote: > On 31 Jan 1999, Martin Mitchell wrote: > > 1) A m68k computer with a 60Mb debian installation. Normally I use the nfs > > method. Apt is just not feasible, it wants to copy everything over before

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-30 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'd like to propose that for now the FHS is changed to read > > "The mail spool area location is undefined. It is guaranteed that both > /var/mail and /var/spool/mail point to this mail spool area if the system > has a mail spool. The preferred reference name is /

Bug#32595: -> Big Business

1999-01-30 Thread Bruce Sass
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Gudmundur Ragnar wrote: <...> > I also recomend that we stop using deb files and make each > package a directory so as not to have to transfer the lot > when there is only a change to a single file. >From a users pov, :) Why not go back a step (or two) and have the source on

Re: Installation Profiles [was: Re: Reality check!]

1999-01-30 Thread John Hasler
Paul Seelig writes: > Myself i do prefer XEmacs over all other variants but wouldn't mind if > i had to install it later on my own. I prefer emacs, bu I also wouldn't mind if > i had to install it later on my own. In fact, I would not mind at all if emacs was optional. > IMHO it would be much wi

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jan 29, 1999, Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Didn't we decide that all of the available alternatives that you have >> > suggested are not a feasable solution (does this mail help make it clear >> > why)? > On 29 Jan 1999, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> You may have missed the ugly

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Amos Shapira
On Sat, January 30 1999, Jim Pick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | |Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | |> On Fri, January 29 1999, Ionutz Borcoman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |wro |> te: |> |Hi, |> | |> |Is the gnuclient/gnuserv broken in XEmacs ? Using the latest versions |> |from potato I am no more

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Frozen Rose
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It seems to work for me here (gnuclient.xemac20) >> >> ii xemacs20-bin20.4-13Editor and kitchen sink -- support >> binaries >> ii xemacs20-nomule 20.4-13Editor and kitchen sink -- Non-mule binary >

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Amos Shapira
On Sat, January 30 1999, Steve Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |Jim Pick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | |> Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: |> |> > On Fri, January 29 1999, Ionutz Borcoman <[EMAIL PROTECTED] |> wro |> > te: |> > |Hi, |> > | |> > |Is the gnuclient/gnuserv broken in XEmacs

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jan 29, 1999, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 07:11:54AM -0200, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> On Jan 27, 1999, Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Therefore, we chose to solve that particular problem (the libc5-6 >> > transition) by moving libraries ar

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Amos Shapira
On Sat, January 30 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frozen Rose) wrote: | |In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, |Steve Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | |>> It seems to work for me here (gnuclient.xemac20) |>> |>> ii xemacs20-bin20.4-13Editor and kitchen sink -- support binar |ies |>> ii xemacs

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jan 29, 1999, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 07:27:28AM -0200, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> Does it? You mean, that hack in ld.so that adds /usr/lib/libc5 to the >> library search path in certain circumstances? The hack is incomplete, >> you just have to fi

Debian-PPC on RS/6000

1999-01-30 Thread Andreas Plesner Jacobsen
Anybody been running debian-ppc on an RS/6000 yet? One of my friends and I are playing around with it, but as of yet I have been unable to find any pointers on how to install it on anything but Macintoshes. -- Andreas

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hi, On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 03:41:46PM -0600, Gordon Matzigkeit wrote: > > >> I don't understand this comment. Which "trouble" with "--rpath" do > >> you mean? > > AO> The exact problem the Debian developers have been complaining > AO> about. The more I think about the problem, the more I s

Re: Call for mascot! :-) -- flying pigs

1999-01-30 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 05:57:47PM -0600, Anderson MacKay wrote: > > The key here is "cute." People don't want an ugly chicken-like creature > > that is clearly ready to attack at the slightest provocation. > > And furthermore, even if it -was- to attack, it really wouldn't do > anything. Linus

Re: Debian-PPC on RS/6000

1999-01-30 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 11:05:17PM +0100, Andreas Plesner Jacobsen wrote: > Anybody been running debian-ppc on an RS/6000 yet? > One of my friends and I are playing around with it, but as of yet I > have been unable to find any pointers on how to install it on > anything but Macintoshes. Installin

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jan 29, 1999, Steve Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe we should just agree that libtool is broken, that it won't be > fixed upstream, and just fix the Debian version? This would mean > that we would have to rerun autoconf &co when we build packages Actually, you'd just have to modify

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Adam Di Carlo
[CC's trimmed] On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:03:54 + (BST), "M.C. Vernon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I still use nfs or mounted (I have /sunsite always pointing to > sunsite, which is where I get my packages from) and dselect. It's > always worked fine for me, so I feel no need to change. It hasn

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 07:46:21PM -0200, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jan 29, 1999, Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > rpath prevents library searching and thus kills this functionality. > > It doesn't prevent library searching, it just takes precedence over > it. If the library is

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Chris Waters
Steve Dunham wrote: > > ii xemacs20-bin20.4-13Editor and kitchen sink > > ii xemacs20-nomule 20.4-13Editor and kitchen sink > ^ > The problem only shows up with the mule versions of xemacs. Nope, because I only have the nomule version installed, and I ha

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:30:43 +0100 From: Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why should the application choose to hard code the PATH in the binary? AFAICS, there is no apparent reason for it. What has the path to do with the library? I think the only thing that should be hard co

Re: What hack in ld.so?

1999-01-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jan 29, 1999, Buddha Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [exact description of what I had assumed about the behavior of ld.so, based on previous postings to the libtool mailing list, snipped] > This is not how I understand how the ld.so linker works on Linux > systems. My understanding is that i

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 05:40:24PM -0500, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: > > Suppose you have your own set of shared libraries, in your own > directory. Suppose you want to let other people use your programs > linked against your own shared libraries. You can tell everyone who > uses your programs to s

Re: gnuserv/gnuclient problem

1999-01-30 Thread Steve Dunham
Chris Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Steve Dunham wrote: > > > ii xemacs20-bin20.4-13Editor and kitchen sink > > > ii xemacs20-nomule 20.4-13Editor and kitchen sink > > ^ > > The problem only shows up with the mule versions of xemacs. > Nope, beca

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:10:26 +0100 From: Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Is there a better way to do a library transition? I think it is very obvious, that the only correct behaviour is to change the library/soname of all involeved libraries when doing a transition. So

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 05:49:39PM -0500, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: > >* Is there a better way to do a library transition? I think it is very >obvious, that the only correct behaviour is to change the >library/soname of all involeved libraries when doing a transition. >So we had to m

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Manish Singh
On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 05:49:39PM -0500, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: >Shouldn't there be a way to override rpath? Currently,LD_LIBRARY_PATH does >override rpath, right? > > No, LD_LIBRARY_PATH does not override rpath. The rpath is searched > first, and then the LD_LIBRARY_PATH is searched.

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:42:32 +0100 From: Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In general, it's convenient to store the path in the executable any > time a shared library is installed in a directory which the dynamic > linker does not search by default. Yes, I should have na

Re: What hack in ld.so?

1999-01-30 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On 30 Jan 1999, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > Obviously, this would have never been needed if old libraries had not > been replaced with (in)compatible versions, but the maintainers of > Debian have already taken this step, despite the fact that this would Look, it was not us that decided to do this.

Re: Debian-PPC on RS/6000

1999-01-30 Thread Phillip R. Jaenke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Andreas Plesner Jacobsen wrote: > Anybody been running debian-ppc on an RS/6000 yet? > One of my friends and I are playing around with it, but as of yet I > have been unable to find any pointers on how to install it on > anything but Macinto

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jan 30, 1999, Ian Lance Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the normal case I think one can assume that the dynamic linker will > search any directory listed in /etc/ld.so.conf, and it would be OK to > omit a -rpath argument for any shared library installed in one of the > directories listed

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Raja R Harinath
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 03:41:46PM -0600, Gordon Matzigkeit wrote: > > >> I don't understand this comment. Which "trouble" with "--rpath" do > > >> you mean? > > > > AO> The exact problem the Debian developers have been complaining > > AO> about.

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jan 30, 1999, Manish Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> No, LD_LIBRARY_PATH does not override rpath. The rpath is searched >> first, and then the LD_LIBRARY_PATH is searched. I think you may have >> agreed with that later in your message. > This is another irksome thing about libtool and -r

Re: What hack in ld.so?

1999-01-30 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jan 30, 1999, Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you wish to make statement that binaries compiled with libtool work > only on the host they were compiled for and even then only in specific > conditions then fine - but that makes it totaly unsuitable for use by any > of the binary

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-30 Thread Jakob 'sparky' Kaivo
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Alan Cox wrote: > I'd like to propose that for now the FHS is changed to read > > "The mail spool area location is undefined. It is guaranteed that both > /var/mail and /var/spool/mail point to this mail spool area if the system > has a mail spool. The preferred reference n

Re: What hack in ld.so?

1999-01-30 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On 30 Jan 1999, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jan 30, 1999, Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If you wish to make statement that binaries compiled with libtool work > > only on the host they were compiled for and even then only in specific > > conditions then fine - but that makes

Re: WARNING: Re: debhelper & /usr/bin/passwd

1999-01-30 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Joey Hess wrote: > Joey Hess wrote: > > I'd say installing debhelper 1.2.28 with --force-conflicts is a _very_ bad > > idea. > > Unfortunatly, it looks like the current version of dpkg has > --force-overwrite (which is what I meant to say above) enabled by default. > And so a

Re: What hack in ld.so?

1999-01-30 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hi, On Sat, Jan 30, 1999 at 04:06:04PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > On 30 Jan 1999, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > > Obviously, this would have never been needed if old libraries had not > > been replaced with (in)compatible versions, but the maintainers of > > Debian have already taken this step,