Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Joey Hess
Branden Robinson wrote: > /etc/X11/window-managers is created in xbase's postinst iff the file does > not already exist. > > Elimination of behavior like this is on my List. > > The long-term plan is: > > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > 2) mark it as a conffile > 3) separat

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Joey Hess
Ben Pfaff wrote: > Could we instead have a default priority assigned to each window > manager? So postinst scripts would run it like this: > >register-window-manager pathname priority You know, this looks like a job for update-alternatives. Maybe we should have a /usr/X11R6/bin/sensible-wind

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Joey Hess
Branden Robinson wrote: > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > 2) mark it as a conffile > 3) separate twm into its own package > 4) write /usr/sbin/register-window-manager FWIW, 2 and 4 conflict. I think it's in policy now (or soon will be) that a package cannot modify any conffi

The latest XFree86 (3.3.2-4)

1998-04-29 Thread Branden Robinson
Hi, folks, your friendly neighborhood X maintainer here. XFree86 3.3.2-4 just got installed into the archive today (I uploaded it Sunday). Unless you have bandwidth to spare, please don't download it without good reason. With impeccable timing, a CERT bulletin warning of possible security proble

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Ben Pfaff
> Could we instead have a default priority assigned to each window > manager? So postinst scripts would run it like this: > >register-window-manager pathname priority You know, this looks like a job for update-alternatives. Maybe we should have a /usr/X11R6/bin/sensible-win

Re: RFC: dpkg and handling of the Unconfigured state

1998-04-29 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Yann Dirson wrote: > Jason Gunthorpe writes: > > Well, I have not observed that dpkg is capable of placing guarentees on > > the dependency state during the *rm scripts. Alot of packages make use of > > their dependents during their removal which leads the the problem that

Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-29 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Igor Grobman wrote: > What if the person does not want to use dselect? Many people (not me) prefer > to download packages themselves, and dpkg -i them. Now that ftp is removed, > they would either have to download netstd using something other than linux, > or > use dsel

Re: Boot Disks

1998-04-29 Thread Lindsay Allen
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: > Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > > > The sensitivity to good disks is, as I understand it, caused by poor > > > BIOS floppy drivers and is independent of the Linux kernel, let alone > > > w

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 08:54:18PM -0400, Ben Pfaff wrote: >> Could we instead have a default priority assigned to each window >> manager? So postinst scripts would run it like this: >> >>register-window-manager pathname priority > >You know, this looks like a job for upd

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Joey Hess
Branden Robinson wrote: > Uh, I've never played with alternatives before. Would someone care to > flesh out this proposal? Sure.. make all window managers that would previously register themselves in /etc/X11/window-managers instead register themselves as an alternative providing /usr/X11R6/bin/w

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Ben Pfaff
> Actually I like that a lot better myself. Could we do it that way > instead, Branden? Uh, I've never played with alternatives before. Would someone care to flesh out this proposal? Okay, here we go: /usr/bin/sensible-window-manager (or whatever) is a symlink to one of the install

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > (predepend, isn't it?) Given the binaries provided by xbase -- BTW, some of No, predepends would be used if the ore-inst needs the package, since the post inst is what uses it there is no need. Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Branden Robinson
So I go to all the trouble of drafting a proposal for register-window-manager, and even start coding it, and you guys don't want to use it? *sigh* All right, if we can weather the inevitable religious flame war about which what the default priority for each window manager should be, I'll implemen

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Ben Pfaff
So I go to all the trouble of drafting a proposal for register-window-manager, and even start coding it, and you guys don't want to use it? Don't overreact. Marcelo just brought up what may be a valid point. Does either proposal include support for varying default command-line options fo

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-29 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please point the clause to me that I should use the help of a > a dictionary to elucidate for my feeble intellect. Policy: 1. a plan of action; way of management; "It is a poor policy to promise more than you can do." "The tight-money policy was

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-29 Thread Philip Hands
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Raul> Since when is "The flight of the Bumble Bee" the right thing to > Raul> do? > > Since I decided on it. What is to prevent me? This epitomises the point you insist on missing here. What prevents you, is YOU. If it turns out that you are a

Re: License advice

1998-04-29 Thread Buddha Buck
I am not a lawyer either, but... Marcus Brinkmann said: > The other comments state the difference in copyright law, if everything is > forbidden that is not explicitely allowd or if everything that is not > explicitely forbidden is allowed. I don't really see how this applies here... Yes, the s

Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-29 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 07:00:48PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > What if the person does not want to use dselect? Many people (not me) > > prefer > > to download packages themselves, and dpkg -i them. Now that ftp is > > removed, > > they would either have to download netstd using somethi

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 10:53:22PM -0400, Ben Pfaff wrote: > Okay, it's a good thing you brought that up then. Does Branden's > proposal include support for this? Perhaps I need to go back and read > it better, but I don't remember anything about command-line options. Branden proposes the exist

as much business as you can handle

1998-04-29 Thread emailprofits5
Hello, If You're Marketing a Product, Service, or Opportunity on the Internet, or Through an Online Service, or Have a Web Site, You Will *Definitely* Be Interested In What We Have To Offer. We'll send out Your *Targeted* E-mail Advertisement. Period. No qualifiers, no conditions, no no

Re: Licensing, was elvis package

1998-04-29 Thread Shaya Potter
At 14:17 28/04/98 -0400, Raul Miller wrote: >Shaya Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> which is my point on, the fact that it's a little hypocritical (not very, >> but a little), for the FSF to make emacs compilable out of the box for >> Motif. They would never do that for Qt, which would be "fre

Lilo..

1998-04-29 Thread matthew.r.pavlovich.1
I am getting a quirky bug with lilo. I have a 4gig Wide SCSI drive that is set to scsi id 0. I can partition the disk, write to the disk, read, mount it as /, but I cannot boot from it (The boot flag is set on the first primary partition). I have an adaptec 2940UW controller w/ 2.0.33. Lilo runs

as much business as you can handle

1998-04-29 Thread emailprofits5
Hello, If You're Marketing a Product, Service, or Opportunity on the Internet, or Through an Online Service, or Have a Web Site, You Will *Definitely* Be Interested In What We Have To Offer. We'll send out Your *Targeted* E-mail Advertisement. Period. No qualifiers, no conditions, no no

Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?

1998-04-29 Thread Guy Maor
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sounds good. I know it sounds good. I just want to be sure that's it's the right thing to do. :) So my understanding is that only i386 and m68k are to be official 2.0 releases. alpha (and other) will wait for 2.1. Guy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Philip" == Philip Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Philip> [Oxford English Dictionary] policy[1]: noun. prudent conduct, Philip> sagacity; course or general plan of action (to be) adopted by Philip> government, party, person etc. Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> also quoted things

Re: Licensing, was elvis package

1998-04-29 Thread Mark W. Eichin
> emacs needed to work with motif to run on proprietary operating systems Uhh, that's deep into fantasy land. Emacs didn't use *any* widget set until emacs19, and emacs18 worked all over the place (and the problems it had on newer platforms had far more to do with memory allocation than window s

Re: disappearance of dists/stable link from ftp archive

1998-04-29 Thread Guy Maor
http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-devel-9804/msg01409.html A reasonable amount of time has passed. I'll check a few randomly selected mirrors and restore the links if all is well. Guy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EM

Re: Bug#21691: perl-base is essential nothing should Depend: on it.

1998-04-29 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 04:41:08PM -0400, Michael Alan Dorman wrote: > "Darren/Torin/Who Ever..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Sorry, I mis-stated the question. Why does libnet-perl depend on > > data-dumper in base. I thought we (as in debian-devel) had discussed > > not asking the libnet-per

Re: Bug#21691: perl-base is essential nothing should Depend: on it.

1998-04-29 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 01:14:46PM -0700, Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Enrique Zanardi, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote: > >> P.S. Why is data-dumper in base? > >'Cause libnet-perl depends on it. > > Sorry, I mis-stated the question. Why d

Re: How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-29 Thread Mark W. Eichin
yeah, lintian might be cool, but it didn't make it into unstable until a week or two ago, so I haven't tried it... I don't know how I missed the 19217 bug report, but a fixed xcontrib is in Incoming as of a few hours ago; it didn't help the situation that xload was added back "late" after it fell

Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?

1998-04-29 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 10:02:56AM -0400, Christopher C. Chimelis wrote: > I agree with this and it's been very frustrating to try to get things > ported over (fyi, for the x86 folks). Also, often, new upstream sources Is there an alpha machine with accounts available so that we i386 maintainers

Re: Lilo..

1998-04-29 Thread Oliver Elphick
"matthew.r.pavlovich.1" wrote: >I am getting a quirky bug with lilo. I have a 4gig Wide SCSI drive that >is set to scsi id 0. I can partition the disk, write to the disk, read, >mount it as /, but I cannot boot from it (The boot flag is set on the >first primary partition). I have an adap

Re: How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-29 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
i agree with you. a) every package should use suidmanager if it needs a 1000 2000 or 4000 bit. b) every package should document why it uses this special permission in /usr/doc//Security.Note (or README.Debian ?). c) security should be more important than functionality or featurism.

Re: Lilo..

1998-04-29 Thread Enrique Zanardi
"matthew.r.pavlovich.1" wrote: >I am getting a quirky bug with lilo. I have a 4gig Wide SCSI drive that >is set to scsi id 0. I can partition the disk, write to the disk, read, >mount it as /, but I cannot boot from it (The boot flag is set on the >first primary partition). I have an adaptec 2940

Re: How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-29 Thread Richard Braakman
Martin Schulze wrote: > I thought lintian already detects setuid binaries and needs > confirmation by the author that it needs to be setuser or > not. Not really. It warns for suid and sgid binaries in the package; but often, packages don't include such binaries directly. They call suidregister

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Falk Hueffner
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Remember, /etc/X11/window-managers is *only* used if the person using > startx or logging in with XDM has no ~/.xsession file, which I image most > experienced X users have. Will there be a way for a user to change his wm without copying over the who

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 11:40:17AM +0200, Falk Hueffner wrote: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Remember, /etc/X11/window-managers is *only* used if the person using > > startx or logging in with XDM has no ~/.xsession file, which I image most > > experienced X users have. > >

Re: How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-29 Thread Thomas Roessler
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 11:29:20AM +0200, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: > a) every package should use suidmanager if it needs a 1000 2000 or 4000 bit. > b) every package should document why it uses this special permission in > /usr/doc//Security.Note (or README.Debian ?). Make it an extra fil

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 09:58:47PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > So I go to all the trouble of drafting a proposal for > register-window-manager, and even start coding it, and you guys don't want > to use it? > > *sigh* Let's use our existing tools if possible. You are doing a wonderful work w

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-29 Thread Philip Hands
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Philip> [Oxford English Dictionary] policy[1]: noun. prudent conduct, > Philip> sagacity; course or general plan of action (to be) adopted by > Philip> government, party, person etc. > > Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> also quoted things > simila

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 10:53:36AM +0100, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > (add a "xterm -sl 500 -sb -ls -fn 10x20 -j &" line before the exec if you Wow, that's a mighty Byzantine xterm line. But to each his own. :) -- G. Branden Robinson |If you make people think they're Purdue Un

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 05:30:26AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 10:53:36AM +0100, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > > (add a "xterm -sl 500 -sb -ls -fn 10x20 -j &" line before the exec if you > > Wow, that's a mighty Byzantine xterm line. But to each his own. :) Well, it's on

Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?

1998-04-29 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is there an alpha machine with accounts available so that we i386 > maintainers could try doing alpha compiles ourselves? No. The machines that most alpha developers have available are either not well connected, in environments that require more securit

Re: x 3.3.2-4

1998-04-29 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 12:25:56PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: > > What happened? Were the files simply removed? I was just downloading them to > > test the new version. > > Oops. Sorry, yes, they were, hence my "WITHDRAWN" message on > debian-deve

Re: x 3.3.2-4

1998-04-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 02:06:55PM +0200, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: > Can you make that -5 so that those who did get the broken version will get > the right version? Releasing two different versions of a package with the > same release number is bad, IMHO, even if the first one was only available > fo

Re: Constitution - formal proposal (v0.7)

1998-04-29 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- 5. No detailed design work. Then Technical Committee does not engage in design of new Should be "The", I think. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNUcduSqK7IlOjMLFAQGkhAP+LvASURChex4byQh9

problem for qpopper2.4 with shadow password

1998-04-29 Thread julien ORTEGA
I want to compile qpopper2.4 with the shadow passwords. The INSTALL file explain that i have to define a AUTH variable in the Makefile but at the compile there is a error, in pop_pass.c ,with pw_encrypt -- Julien Ortega -- EXTERN e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PR

Languages for Description (Was: language for changelog)

1998-04-29 Thread Yann Dirson
While we're talking about language issues and people not speaking english: if we want Debian to be one day a valid choice for a lambda user in a random country, we *will* have to work out some mechanism that allows translated Descriptions: fields. [I guess this issue does not really belong to deb

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-29 Thread Dale Scheetz
On 28 Apr 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I prefer the codification of rules that have to be followed > and putting them out in the open, rather than continuing to depend on > the judgement of a few good people in perpetuity. Some have called my > view fascist. > > Codification o

Re: How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-29 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
>> not a good idea. remove all special permissions from all >> files, and use sudo. guy could add a hook to his scripts >> on master, and reject all packages with suid/sgid >> permissions. it's a very easy thing. > >Not really. Administrators may decide not to rely on the >security of sudo, but o

Re: Boot Disks

1998-04-29 Thread Bob Hilliard
Lindsay Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > May I suggest that you forward your message upstream to either the kernel > people or those who do the drivers. It is downright embarrasing to have > our favourite OS not be able to read a floppy reliably. Actually, my points were that almost all o

weird effect

1998-04-29 Thread Hamish Moffatt
Tonight I upgraded to current hamm; I was asked if I wanted to replace my issue and issue.net files; I replied N to both. issue was preserved, but issue.net is gone! The preinst for base-files removes /etc/issue.net if it is a link (why?) but it wasn't. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTE

uncertain status -ideas and Questions

1998-04-29 Thread Stephen Carpenter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I have been using linux for a while now but as far as Debian is concerned I am a "Relative" newbie... I have finnally gotten to that stage of waning to help out and decided to register and take over a package that someone didn't want. Comming from this position

Re: weird effect

1998-04-29 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > Tonight I upgraded to current hamm; I was asked if I wanted to replace my > issue and issue.net files; I replied N to both. issue was preserved, > but issue.net is gone! > > The preinst for base-files removes /etc/is

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-29 Thread John Lines
Someone (I don't have the list archive handy here so I can't remember who) said on the firewalls list recently that security policy (but I think it also is valid for debian policy) should be regarded as a cache of good, well thought out decisions. Policy represents the collective wisdom of a lot o

xmem ?

1998-04-29 Thread David Welton
Hi, first of all, thanks to everyone who replied regarding my boot disk questions. Given that this is not quite so immediate, and the record breaking warm weather, this has been postponed in favor of bike riding:-> I am, however, curious what happened to xmem, it seems to have slipped through the

intent to take mawk and gawk

1998-04-29 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- If nobody objects, I intent to take mawk and gawk. [ There have been no maintainer uploads since March 1997, is one year enough? ]. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNUdt9yqK7IlOjMLFAQH0XgP/VDlUE4ye939QxpFJ401coph8+iw4fc5

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Philip" == Philip Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> also quoted things >> similar. So, we have officially accepted and ratified the Policy >> documents, I take it, and I just missed the party? >> >> If the project has indeed ``adopted'' the Policy docume

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Ian" == Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ian> Manoj suggests on the one hand that there is too little control Ian> over the Technical Committee, and then on the other hand that we Ian> should elevate policy (which is currently decided on by fiat by Ian> one person, in cases where the

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dale> The Policy Statement is a set of rules for the behavior of Dale> developers, set down by the "ruling body", sometimes referred to Dale> as "the government". When those rules are viewed as more Dale> important than the people participat

Intent to package: uedit

1998-04-29 Thread James Troup
Hi, I intend to package uedit. I've always bemoaned the lack of a decent editor on Linux, but I've finally found one. For all those of you who, like me, have long detested the bloated pig that is X11, you will rejoice to know that this editor is console based. This editor bypasses the bloated,

Re: intent to take mawk and gawk

1998-04-29 Thread James Troup
Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If nobody objects, I intent to take mawk and gawk. I object. I've talked with Christopher and I'm taking the packages on a temporary basis (but as the real maintainer). Christopher still wants to maintain mawk & gawk and is still around, he anticipate

Re: Intent to package: uedit

1998-04-29 Thread Ben Pfaff
I'll take it as read that there are no objections. How could there be? Gadzooks! You know, it's almost May 1, but that's not the same thing as April 1, not at all. I hope that this is a joke, at any rate it's not a very funny one. This program is a monstrosity. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: intent to take mawk and gawk

1998-04-29 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 29 Apr 1998, James Troup wrote: > Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If nobody objects, I intent to take mawk and gawk. > > I object. > I've talked with Christopher and I'm taking the packages on > a temporary basis (but as the real maintaine

installation report of hamm 26.4.

1998-04-29 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
ok, i tried to install from cdrom. cd1 containes : main cd2 containes : contrib, non-US, non-free (and other stuff) a) my cd contained only frozen. but dselect want's stable ... b) some problem with perl : dselect->install did not work. i helped myself with "dpkg -iGROEB /cdrom" c) gpm has

Re: intent to take mawk and gawk

1998-04-29 Thread James Troup
Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If nobody objects, I intent to take mawk and gawk. > > > > I object. I've talked with Christopher and I'm taking the > > packages on a temporary basis (but as the real maintainer). > > I object to taking a package in secret without announcing it h

Re: Intent to package: uedit

1998-04-29 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I thought you had "zero intention to maintain a non-free package". Have you changed your mind? > To get maximum speed uedit will disable the > wasteful multi-tasking behaviour of Linux and make it do the Right > thing, DOS-style single-tasking. Obviously neithe

Re: Intent to package: uedit

1998-04-29 Thread Jules Bean
--On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 7:50 pm +0100 "James Troup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I intend to package uedit. I've always bemoaned the lack of a decent > editor on Linux, but I've finally found one. For all those of you > who, like me, have long detested the bloated pig that is X11, you w

Re: Intent to package: uedit

1998-04-29 Thread Igor Grobman
O my god!! This is true. I downloaded it, and the README is pretty much what James has written. I tried starting it, and it managed to kill exmh, but not all of X exiting with "Setup Eror: Unable to Initialize Program". What a pity, it failed to kill X :). Um... I suddenly have a strange de

Maintainers and the Database

1998-04-29 Thread Giuliano P Procida
This mail message started out as a response to Marcus Brinkmann's comment on the policy list: > I think that [the multiple maintainer] issue can't be resolved > properly ("we are stuck") without further input from all the other > developers not participating on debian-policy. I'm hardly a partici

Re: intent to take mawk and gawk

1998-04-29 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 29 Apr 1998, James Troup wrote: > Uh, first and foremost, mawk and gawk are *not* orphaned. What do you mean by orphaned, then? Perhaps we should agree on a common definition of "orphaned". > And what's being done in secret? I'm announced my intent in my p

creating hamm cdroms

1998-04-29 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
it's not an easy task. dpkg/dselect make everything complex, in fact i have no idea how these can work with the binaries split on two cdroms. also, they don't work if only "frozen" is present, and not stable. i have written Makefiles (much nicer then the old shell scripts) to create the cdroms, bu

debian 2.0

1998-04-29 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
from a first look at debian 2.0 i'm disappointed. ok, everything is moved to glibc, and there are lots of new packages. but where is the enhancement ? - with installing (n) dictionaries you are asked (n-1) time to select the default one. simlimiar thing with programs who can view

Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?

1998-04-29 Thread Bdale Garbee
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: : Finally, realize that packages-wise, we probably rival RedHat's Alpha : port---something on the order of 800+ packages are available on the : Alpha. However, that's *half* of the number available in Debian/i386. That raises an interesting question, tha

Possible DoS attack with new IPlogger release

1998-04-29 Thread Hugo Haas
Hi. The new version of IPlogger offers a new feature: when there is a TCP connection attempt, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is now logged instead of "host". However, if strobe is run on localhost, a connection to identd is done at each connection, and then the auth service is disabled after about 60 connec

Maybe alpha should be in hamm? (was: Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?)

1998-04-29 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
Bdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'd like to propose that if a non-i386 architecture has a reasonable > installation process and base archive, plus .deb's for all packages > marked as 'standard' or higher in the i386 tree (modulo obvious > exceptions like lilo), that it be considered read

Re: Maybe alpha should be in hamm? (was: Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?)

1998-04-29 Thread James D. Freels
I've just done an initial install on a Alpha machine that was originally setup with RH 4.2. I upgraded the machine to RH 5.0. I then reworked and did the initial install of Debian hamm on another partition and am now duel-booting. I have consideral experience with Debian-i386, but do not conside

Re: Intent to package: uedit

1998-04-29 Thread Richard Braakman
James Troup wrote: > As to placement within the Debian archive, it will have to go to > non-free as due to the haranguing and harassment of inhabitants of > comp.os.linux.* the author is loathed to reveal his secrets in case > sicko Linux-leechers try to steal his ideas, so there is no source. I m

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-29 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, policy means something which has been adopted by a body. Hace > we actually done so? Am I saying we interpret the contents of the > policy documents differently? no, but the significance of the policy > documents definitely shall change. Er..

Re: installation report of hamm 26.4.

1998-04-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 09:22:20PM +0200, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: > f) xserver offered my to "configure now". this failed, because not everything > was installed, so it could not work. Can you be more specific? There is nothing in the xserver postinst that demands the presence of xbase.

Re: xmem ?

1998-04-29 Thread Chris Reed
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Welton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I am, however, curious what happened to xmem, it seems to have slipped > through the cracks of xcontrib and xproc. Will it be packaged > seperately? Should it be part of one of those humongous X builds? > The xm

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Well, policy means something which has been adopted by a body. Hace >> we actually done so? Am I saying we interpret the contents of the >> policy documents differently? no, but the signifi

Re: Pronouns (was Re: Proposed Constitution)

1998-04-29 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 05:02:57PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > This discussion is ridiculous. > > In my view singular `they' is perfectly correct. If I can use it in > my PhD thesis (with a footnote[1] and supporting references, and > without any complaint from the examiners) then we can use it h

Re: installation report of hamm 26.4.

1998-04-29 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
> > > f) xserver offered my to "configure now". this failed, because not > > everything > > was installed, so it could not work. > > Can you be more specific? > > There is nothing in the xserver postinst that demands the presence of > xbase. I assume makedev and libc6 were installed and co

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-29 Thread Dale Scheetz
On 29 Apr 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > >>"Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Dale> The Policy Statement is a set of rules for the behavior of > Dale> developers, set down by the "ruling body", sometimes referred to > Dale> as "the government". When those rules are view

Re: Maybe alpha should be in hamm? (was: Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?)

1998-04-29 Thread James Troup
Michael Alan Dorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [ ... ] ld.so doesn't apply [ ... ] Upgrade your quinn-diff :-) From 0.31's ChangeLog.main :- | Sun Apr 12 21:33:14 1998 James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | * Packages-arch-specific (ldso): exclude alpha. (Maybe it should also be exc

Re: xfsft deb package

1998-04-29 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > A few days ago (maybe a week or so? I am too lazy to look back and > check...and it doesn't REALLY matter) > I mentioned an interest in xfstt which is listed as needing > a new maintainer and got no reply here.

Intent to package: xitalk

1998-04-29 Thread Chris Reed
xitalk is a useful program that enters itself into utmp and listens on a pty for talk requests/ write(1)s. It can then be configured to start a ytalk session automatically (taking the username from the talk request) or perform some other action (e.g. play a sound).

Re: Maybe alpha should be in hamm? (was: Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?)

1998-04-29 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Michael Alan Dorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [ ... ] ld.so doesn't apply [ ... ] > Upgrade your quinn-diff :-) From 0.31's ChangeLog.main :- Yeah, but I've been meaning to feed back my changes in one block rather than in dribs and drabs, no time, e

Re: Intent to package: xitalk

1998-04-29 Thread Joey Hess
Chris Reed wrote: > > xitalk is a useful program that enters itself into utmp and listens on a > pty for talk requests/ write(1)s. It can then be configured to start a > ytalk session automatically (taking the username from the talk request) or > perform some other a