Anthony Towns writes:
> Anyway, this is surely off topic for -devel. Can we go back to talking about
> hot babes or something?
That would be very welcome.
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On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 11:48:05AM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:09:18 +0100, Helmut Wollmersdorfer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip]
> > My few attempts to step into debian as a contributor ended after some
> > hours of senseless discussions or waste of time against
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:09:18 +0100, Helmut Wollmersdorfer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> My few attempts to step into debian as a contributor ended after some
> hours of senseless discussions or waste of time against unnecessary
> barriers. Compared against average OSS, or OSS where I contribu
Steve Greenland wrote:
And yes, community standards can and do change. But they don't get
changed by people whining about them; they get changed by the members
behaving differently.
ACK.
This standard of a community can be different to that, what individuals
would expect. As a result the activity
Ron Johnson wrote:
On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 00:06 +, Henning Makholm wrote:
Scripsit Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
If you want sweetness and light, just tell them which document
to read.
If I want sweetness and light I don't pretend that I think somebody
needs to have explained what documentat
On 12-Jan-05, 02:05 (CST), Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Being part of a community or not being paid is not a valid excuse for
> being rude to others. I happen to be part of this community too, and
> I do not treasure being rude as a positive side of the debian
> community.
Bu
[Tollef Fog Heen]
> The question is what's considered rude. What's not rude on
> debian-devel might be considered rude in other fora and vice versa.
That might be your question, but it isn't mine. :) Calling someone a
dickhead is rude in most fora. I suspect most of us know when we are
trying t
* Petter Reinholdtsen
| [Steve Greenland]
| > Guess what? This is not a paid support forum, or a commercial
| > organization. This is a *community*. Communities have cultures,
| > traditions, in-jokes, etc. You can either choose to be part of that
| > community, and learn to be part of the cultur
[Steve Greenland]
> Guess what? This is not a paid support forum, or a commercial
> organization. This is a *community*. Communities have cultures,
> traditions, in-jokes, etc. You can either choose to be part of that
> community, and learn to be part of the culture, or you can go join a
> differen
Steve Greenland dijo [Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 07:00:45PM -0600]:
> Guess what? This is not a paid support forum, or a commercial
> organization. This is a *community*. Communities have cultures,
> traditions, in-jokes, etc. You can either choose to be part of that
> community, and learn to be part of
On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 00:06 +, Henning Makholm wrote:
> Scripsit Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 20:28 +, Henning Makholm wrote:
>
> >> >> > Do you *really* think that RTFM means "Go read the documentation,
> >> >> > that's what it's for"?
>
> >> >> Yes, that's w
On 10-Jan-05, 15:31 (CST), Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Then what about keeping jokes for our private messages to our
> friends ? Your suggestion to go back to classes is, to my standards,
> definetly rude. As it does not add anything to your message, I do not
> understand
Scripsit Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 20:28 +, Henning Makholm wrote:
>> >> > Do you *really* think that RTFM means "Go read the documentation,
>> >> > that's what it's for"?
>> >> Yes, that's what it means.
> IMNSHO, RTFM still has an acerbic edge to it.
Of cours
Op di, 11-01-2005 te 13:21 +1100, schreef Sam Watkins:
> I accidentally posted the following to debian-user this morning, it was
> supposed to go to debian-devel in this thread; please excuse me
> re-posting it.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 07:14:29PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > It's impos
On Monday 10 January 2005 23:03, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 21:11 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > Op ma, 10-01-2005 te 13:24 -0600, schreef Ron Johnson:
> > > On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 19:14 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > Do you *really* think that RTFM means "Go read the documen
Op di, 11-01-2005 te 06:31 +0900, schreef Charles Plessy:
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 07:14:29PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote :
> > 'RTFM' means "Go read the documentation, that's what it's for".
>
> It also contains the "F word", which is related to the act of
> having sex.
Sex is the very m
On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 22:13 -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 20:38 +0100, Miros/law Baran wrote:
> > 10.01.2005 pisze Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> >
> > > > 'RTFM' means "Go read the documentation, that's what it's for". I
> > > > personally find it far more rude to go on a
On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 20:38 +0100, Miros/law Baran wrote:
> 10.01.2005 pisze Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>
> > > 'RTFM' means "Go read the documentation, that's what it's for". I
> > > personally find it far more rude to go on a mailing list, ask for the
>
> > Do you *really* think that RTFM
Charles Plessy wrote:
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 07:14:29PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote :
Why don't guys go to psychology class before telling people not to
be 'rude'?
Then what about keeping jokes for our private messages to our
friends ? Your suggestion to go back to classes is, to my stand
Wouter Verhelst wrote:
lemma A:
If people disagree, that's their problem.
lemma B:
In any case, I strongly disagree with the stance that the rudeness of a
particular developer would reflect on Debian as a whole.
lemma C: That's your problem
proof
from B have "You disagree" by simp
with A show ?
On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 01:21:10PM +1100, Sam Watkins wrote:
> Public ing, unless in response to extreme provocation, is also
> very rude. If you want to killfile someone, go ahead. Send them a
> private message, but don't make a scene of it.
I disagree. There are times when I find it appropria
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It's impossible not to be rude on written media. What's a harmless joke
> to one is an insult to another, and an attack to one's personality to a
> third one. You can't expect everyone to be happy with everything you
> might possibly write.
Of course n
I accidentally posted the following to debian-user this morning, it was
supposed to go to debian-devel in this thread; please excuse me
re-posting it.
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 07:14:29PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> It's impossible not to be rude on written media. What's a harmless
> joke to on
On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 21:11 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> Op ma, 10-01-2005 te 13:24 -0600, schreef Ron Johnson:
> > On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 19:14 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > Op ma, 10-01-2005 te 06:39 -0500, schreef David Mandelberg:
> > [snip]
> > > 'RTFM' means "Go read the documentation
On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 20:28 +, Henning Makholm wrote:
> Scripsit Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 19:37 +, Henning Makholm wrote:
> >> Scripsit Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >> > Do you *really* think that RTFM means "Go read the documentation,
> >> > that's
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 07:14:29PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote :
> Why don't you guys go to psychology class before telling people not to
> be 'rude'?
> It's impossible not to be rude on written media. What's a harmless joke
> to one is an insult to another, and an attack to one's personality to
Scripsit Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 19:37 +, Henning Makholm wrote:
>> Scripsit Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Do you *really* think that RTFM means "Go read the documentation,
>> > that's what it's for"?
>> Yes, that's what it means.
> http://catb.org/~esr
Op ma, 10-01-2005 te 13:24 -0600, schreef Ron Johnson:
> On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 19:14 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > Op ma, 10-01-2005 te 06:39 -0500, schreef David Mandelberg:
> [snip]
> > 'RTFM' means "Go read the documentation, that's what it's for". I
> > personally find it far more rude to g
On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 19:37 +, Henning Makholm wrote:
> Scripsit Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Do you *really* think that RTFM means "Go read the documentation,
> > that's what it's for"?
>
> Yes, that's what it means.
Well, that's what I'd tell my grandmother that it means...
http:
10.01.2005 pisze Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > 'RTFM' means "Go read the documentation, that's what it's for". I
> > personally find it far more rude to go on a mailing list, ask for the
> Do you *really* think that RTFM means "Go read the documentation,
> that's what it's for"?
If one ha
Scripsit Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Do you *really* think that RTFM means "Go read the documentation,
> that's what it's for"?
Yes, that's what it means.
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On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 19:14 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> Op ma, 10-01-2005 te 06:39 -0500, schreef David Mandelberg:
[snip]
> 'RTFM' means "Go read the documentation, that's what it's for". I
> personally find it far more rude to go on a mailing list, ask for the
Do you *really* think that RTFM
Op ma, 10-01-2005 te 06:39 -0500, schreef David Mandelberg:
> You shouldn't say 'RTFM' though, 'this is already documented here: <...>, why
> don't you try reading that first?' might work better.
Why don't you guys go to psychology class before telling people not to
be 'rude'?
It's impossible not
Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 11:55 +1100, Sam Watkins wrote:
>
>>On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 04:17:14PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>I ask people to please make a great effort to be polite and
>>"professional" in representing Debian. Please don't tell newbies to go
>>RTF
On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 11:55 +1100, Sam Watkins wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 04:17:14PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote:
[snip]
> I ask people to please make a great effort to be polite and
> "professional" in representing Debian. Please don't tell newbies to go
> RTFM
Sure you should.
I remember,
On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 04:17:14PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote:
> I found RMS to be extremely rude and dismissive in the GFDL
> discussions. (His outright refusal to comminicate with Branden
> Robinson comes to mind.)
Perhaps they were both rude, in different ways. Or perhaps it was a
sort of mis
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 07:58:46AM +1100, Sam Watkins wrote:
> We could even go a little further and try to avoid rudeness on the
> mailing lists. I recently reviewed some of the conversations with RMS
> on debian-legal regarding the GFDL. Several people were rude and
> uncivil to RMS, even sarca
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 04:08:36PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> Andrew Suffield wrote:
> >* New upstream release (closes: #270944, #277543). It's less than two
> > weeks since this was released; may you contract an interesting
> > venereal disease.
>
> Is this really called for in chang
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