Re: perl and perl-modules; reflexive dependencies vs. archive bloat

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 03:18:17PM +0100, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > Would a new package relationship, say "Post-Depends", be helpful? No. Too many of our maintainers can't even follow the semantics of the relationship fields we /already/ have... -- Steve Langasek Give me a lev

Re: perl and perl-modules; reflexive dependencies vs. archive bloat

2010-01-01 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On fredagen den 23 oktober 2009, Don Armstrong wrote: > Currently there is a proposal[0] to combine perl-modules and perl into > a single package. perl-modules currently contains architecture > independent bits, and perl contains architecture dependent bits. > > FWICT, the primary argument[1] to d

Re: perl and perl-modules; reflexive dependencies vs. archive bloat

2009-10-26 Thread Niko Tyni
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 05:52:46PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Sun, 25 Oct 2009, Peter Samuelson wrote: > > [Don Armstrong] > > > I actually suggested that perl-modules recommend perl, but that was > > > rejected for the reason that perl-modules doesn't do anything useful > > > without perl. >

Re: perl and perl-modules; reflexive dependencies vs. archive bloat

2009-10-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009, Peter Samuelson wrote: > [Don Armstrong] > > I actually suggested that perl-modules recommend perl, but that was > > rejected for the reason that perl-modules doesn't do anything useful > > without perl. > > You sure? I'm sure that it was the reason given, but I didn't have

Re: perl and perl-modules; reflexive dependencies vs. archive bloat

2009-10-25 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Don Armstrong] > I actually suggested that perl-modules recommend perl, but that was > rejected for the reason that perl-modules doesn't do anything useful > without perl. You sure? That surprises me - I would have thought a lot of the modules in perl-modules only needed perl-base. -- Peter Sa

Re: perl and perl-modules; reflexive dependencies vs. archive bloat

2009-10-24 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
James Vega wrote: >> However, I agree that in almost all cases (including this case) it >> seems silly for any other package to depend on B or for users to >> install B directly. I actually suggested that perl-modules recommend >> perl, but that was rejected for the reason that perl-modules doesn't

Re: perl and perl-modules; reflexive dependencies vs. archive bloat

2009-10-24 Thread Andreas Metzler
James Vega wrote: [...] > I don't see how perl-modules is that much different than the various > arch-independent data packages which provide little to no functionality > on their own but are required by another arch-dependent package. Many > of those either Recommend the relevant package or decl

Re: perl and perl-modules; reflexive dependencies vs. archive bloat

2009-10-23 Thread James Vega
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 03:22:34PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Sat, 24 Oct 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le vendredi 23 octobre 2009 à 14:25 -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : > > > 3: Specifically, where Package A Depends on (B=1), and Package B > > > Depends on A; A and B are from the same

Re: perl and perl-modules; reflexive dependencies vs. archive bloat

2009-10-23 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le vendredi 23 octobre 2009 à 14:25 -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : > > 3: Specifically, where Package A Depends on (B=1), and Package B > > Depends on A; A and B are from the same source, B is architecture > > independent, and does not require configu

Re: perl and perl-modules; reflexive dependencies vs. archive bloat

2009-10-23 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 23 octobre 2009 à 14:25 -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : > Because this is a common situtation, where there is architecture > independent data (of varying sizes) which is interdependent on > architecture specific code of a particular version, reflexive > dependencies are necessary.[2] >

perl and perl-modules; reflexive dependencies vs. archive bloat

2009-10-23 Thread Don Armstrong
Currently there is a proposal[0] to combine perl-modules and perl into a single package. perl-modules currently contains architecture independent bits, and perl contains architecture dependent bits. FWICT, the primary argument[1] to do this is because perl and perl-modules both require the other