Late, by hey, what the hell...
> "Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Joey> In other words, if you can have a religious war over it, we
Joey> need an alternative. I have never seen a religious war over
Joey> man. :-)
Tom Christiansen has been known to get into them. B
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 09:04:50AM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > OpenBSD took another tack on this problem and just did away with
> > cached man pages altogether. (no suid or sgid man)
>
> They always re-format a manual page? This might be reasonable, actua
Hi
Joey Hess schrieb:
> > And, anyway, caching might be done in a cronjob: look at the pagesa in
This seems to be cr^Hontrary to the idea of caching.
> That's a good idea. Another route to take is to split man into the
> rendering/caching bit and the command line man page lookup/processing/pager
On 04-Jan-01, 12:32 (CST), Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > And, anyway, caching might be done in a cronjob: look at the pagesa in
> > manpath every night, check which ones have been accessed since the past
> > run, and format those. Then delete anything older than
> > There could be a helper setuid program, man-cache-writer. man would call
> > this program and pipe it the catpage. man-cache-writer would just write it's
> > stding to the proper place. End of the problems.
>
> No so simple. You don't want the trusted program trusting the output of
> a non-tr
On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 01:09:17AM -0300, Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote:
> There could be a helper setuid program, man-cache-writer. man would call
> this program and pipe it the catpage. man-cache-writer would just write it's
> stding to the proper place. End of the problems.
No so simple. You don't
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 07:14:13PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
>
> Here's one more real fun one. This only works if you are root and /root
> is mode 700 and $TMP is set to /root/tmp/:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>man man
> man: can't create a temporary filename: Permission denied
>
> So incredibly broke
> the problem with this is you end up with the catman files owned by
> whatever user reads whatever man page. personally as a sysadmin i
> don't want users gaining write permission to files in any more places
> under /var then there already is (ahem texmf). i am not certain if
> there is potentia
Joey Hess wrote:
> I'm concerned with some breakage in the man program. Here is an example:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>chmod 700 .
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>cp /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz .
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>man -l ./ls.1.gz
> man: can't chdir to /home/joey: Permission denied
> man: ./ls.1.gz: Pe
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 10:35:56AM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
> Is that even necessary? I mean, alternatives makes sense for programs
> like MTAs and editors, which have a diverse range of interface,
> functionality, and use. Man formats a page and displays it in $PAGER;
I'd always thought the inten
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Joey Hess wrote:
JH>John Galt wrote:
JH>> JH>In other words, if you can have a religious war over it, we need an
JH>> JH>alternative. I have never seen a religious war over man. :-)
JH>>
JH>> Never heard RMS on info pages?
JH>
JH>That's a file format religious war, not a man
John Galt wrote:
> JH>In other words, if you can have a religious war over it, we need an
> JH>alternative. I have never seen a religious war over man. :-)
>
> Never heard RMS on info pages?
That's a file format religious war, not a man program religious war.
--
see shy jo
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Joey Hess wrote:
JH>Peter Makholm wrote:
JH>> We have alternatives on almost everything but dpkg and man. If someone
JH>> thinks it's worth the effort to make alternatives for these they
JH>> should do it. If there is a general agreement that the alternatives is
JH>> better tha
Peter Makholm wrote:
> We have alternatives on almost everything but dpkg and man. If someone
> thinks it's worth the effort to make alternatives for these they
> should do it. If there is a general agreement that the alternatives is
> better than the original packages we just switch prioryties.
I
Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> They always re-format a manual page? This might be reasonable, actually.
> Groff is pretty fast, and most manual pages are short, so it shouldn't
> take too long even on older hardware.
I think it would take a while on my 386 for things like the zshall man page.
(Several hu
Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:53:37PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
>> I'll bet (have not verified) that you can already trick it into writing
>> bogus file by sticking trojan pages elsewhere in your manpath.
>
>i just tried it, did not end up with a cached file.
>
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:00:19AM +0100, Peter Makholm wrote:
> Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On the other hand, we might want to copy the OpenBSD version instead
> > of maintaining our own man. But I leave that to whoever maintains the
> > packages.
>
> We have alternatives o
Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On the other hand, we might want to copy the OpenBSD version instead
> of maintaining our own man. But I leave that to whoever maintains the
> packages.
We have alternatives on almost everything but dpkg and man. If someone
thinks it's worth the effort
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:53:37PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
> Ethan Benson wrote:
> > the problem with this is you end up with the catman files owned by
> > whatever user reads whatever man page. personally as a sysadmin i
> > don't want users gaining write permission to files in any more places
>
Ethan Benson wrote:
> the problem with this is you end up with the catman files owned by
> whatever user reads whatever man page. personally as a sysadmin i
> don't want users gaining write permission to files in any more places
> under /var then there already is (ahem texmf). i am not certain if
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 03:23:03PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
> I'm concerned with some breakage in the man program. Here is an example:
>
[snip examples]
>
> This is because man runs via a wrapper that makes it run as user man
> (and makes root's pager run as user man too for some reason).
>
> Rel
I'm concerned with some breakage in the man program. Here is an example:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>chmod 700 .
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>cp /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz .
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>man -l ./ls.1.gz
man: can't chdir to /home/joey: Permission denied
man: ./ls.1.gz: Permission denied
Another exampl
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