> > First question: If some major cash was donated to Debian, what would we
> > do with it? Seriously, do we have a purpose for it, or would we just
> > re-donate it to other projects? Sure that might look good for a story on
> > Slashdot, but I'm more interested in making headlines for Debian
On Fri, 21 May 1999, Craig Sanders wrote:
>
> we're not here to get 100% market share, or 50% or even 20%. we're here
> to make the best system we can and share it amongst ourselves and with
> others, and also to encourage others to join in the effort.
>
IMO the property relations that e
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 01:32:06PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
> > Market share and World domination are not goals I strive to
> > achieve.
> Market share, no. But world domination? C'mon, admit it would be fun
> to have the downtrodden of the world grovelling at your feet. Dogbert
> has
> "John" == John Lapeyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> A couple of salaried positions would be nice. Full
John> time PR staff, ...
Now *that* is something I could see value in.
--
Stephen
---
Long noun chains don't automatically imply security. - Bruce Schneier
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 04:44:08AM -0700, Craig Brozefsky wrote:
> "Tyger Sunshine-Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > If we don't, what is the point of pouring so much work into making
> > such a useful and _flexible_ distribution?
>
> Well, everyone has their own answer to that, but I'm sati
*Joseph Carter wrote:
> First question: If some major cash was donated to Debian, what would we
> do with it? Seriously, do we have a purpose for it, or would we just
> re-donate it to other projects? Sure that might look good for a story on
> Slashdot, but I'm more interested in making headline
*Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> I can't speak for others, but *I* do it cause it pleases my
> muse. Getting Debian out to the great unwashed masses rouses little
> but mild curiosity in me, and certainly not eough to warrant the
> amount of effort I put into my packages.
In general,
.
Dave Bristel
On 20 May 1999, Chris Waters wrote:
> Date: 20 May 1999 13:32:06 -0700
> From: Chris Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests
> Resent-Date: 20 Ma
, Joseph Carter wrote:
> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:04:44 -0700
> From: Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Tyger Sunshine-Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests
> Resent-Date: 20
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I can't speak for others, but *I* do it cause it pleases my
> muse. Getting Debian out to the great unwashed masses rouses little
> but mild curiosity in me, and certainly not eough to warrant the
> amount of effort I put into my packages.
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 07:09:28AM -0700, Tyger Sunshine-Hill wrote:
> >RH isn't "competition" to debian except in the most positive sense of
> >friendly rivalry. We have different aims, different goals. Their
> >goal is to produce and market a linux distribution which keeps their
> >company fina
Hi,
>>"Tyger" == Tyger Sunshine-Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Tyger> Well, maybe, but the fact is that Debian could use some
Tyger> sponsorships or major donations,
We could? What shall we use them for? (Not that we shall turn
away any donations, mind you, but we may *need* less th
"Tyger Sunshine-Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Well, maybe, but the fact is that Debian could use some sponsorships or
> major donations, and as long as RH keeps the spotlight, guess who they go
> to? Eventually, we have to get Debian out of its shell and get "the average
> linux user" (If
RH isn't "competition" to debian except in the most positive sense of
friendly rivalry. We have different aims, different goals. Their
goal is to produce and market a linux distribution which keeps their
company financially viable. Our goal is to produce a distribution
which does what we want w
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On Thu, 20 May 1999 10:11:42 +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
>selection of two or three standard configurations - "web server", "file
>and print server", and "internet gateway") and use 'dd' or 'tar' to
>duplicate the drive. finally, follow that up with a
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 06:10:14PM -0500, David Welton wrote:
> Personally, I'm happy to know that I'm involved in making a kick ass
> OS, and as long as no one messes with my ability to do that, I'm fine.
hear! hear!
couldn't agree more.
RH isn't "competition" to debian except in the most posi
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 08:35:30PM -0400, Brian Almeida wrote:
> As for preinstallation, let me make two points:
> a) Debian really has a long way to go for someone to do mass installs
> of it, unattended.
it certainly could be easier, but it's not that hard. i build many
debian boxes...it just ta
Hi, Yeah, you can say "I told you so" even though...
I thought my email got censured... I guess it just got lost, this deb-devel
list is busy !!
I'm shooting for trinux... it has all the things I like about corporate
teamwork like security type integrity and qa controls.
And none of the other n
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 10:17:11PM -0700, Erik wrote:
> Well, actualy i have semi-mass installed machines...I did 30 or so machines,
> all i really had to do was put all the packages i wanted to install into
> a single dir that i nfs mounted(from the base system). i dpkg -i'd those with
> a progra
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 06:10:34PM -0500, David Welton wrote:
> > RedCrap already has everyone where they want them; in their back
> > pocket, filling their wallet more and more everyday. Alongside VA
> > Research.
>
> As far as Big Companies go, redhat isn't so bad. Be very thankful
> they didn't
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 08:35:50PM -0400, Brian Almeida wrote:
> a) Debian really has a long way to go for someone to do mass installs of it,
> unattended.
True. Do you think any systems vendor uses the normal installation procedure
to install the system software on machines during production? I
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 07:24:40PM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote:
> Ever tried mass-installing Debian? It's simply impossible -- complete, new
> debian installations take at least two hours of babysitting.
>
> This makes debian a product VA is incapable of marketing.
>
> Of course, there ar
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 10:49:09AM -0400, Phillip R. Jaenke wrote:
> On Tue, 18 May 1999, Brent Fulgham wrote:
>
> > > > RedCrap already has everyone where they want them; in their back
> > > > pocket, filling their wallet more and more everyday. Alongside VA
> > > > Research.
> > I find it offens
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To: Phillip R. Jaenke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 10:49:09AM -0400, Phillip R. Jaenke wrote:
> That's MY opinion. Not necessarily yours. I can't get a system without
> RedHat preinstalled from VA Research last I checked, they never returned
> my calls, so as far as I'm concerned, they're about as good a company as
> Compaq
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 10:49:09AM -0400, Phillip R. Jaenke wrote:
> > I find it offensive that you attack VA research,
> > who provides many of the resources we enjoy
> > as Debian developers.
>
> That's MY opinion. Not necessarily yours. I can't get a system without
> RedHat preinstalled from VA
"Phillip R. Jaenke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> And what about their 'partners'? I have yet to see one of their contracts.
> And I'm just getting this eerie feeling that, well, it's an exclusive
> contract. If you offer RedHat, you only offer RedHat as far as Linux go,
> at least on preinstalled
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 10:49:09AM -0400, Phillip R. Jaenke wrote:
> That's MY opinion. Not necessarily yours. I can't get a system without
> RedHat preinstalled from VA Research last I checked, they never returned
> my calls, so as far as I'm concerned, they're about as good a company as
> Compaq
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Brent Fulgham wrote:
> > > RedCrap already has everyone where they want them; in their back
> > > pocket, filling their wallet more and more everyday. Alongside VA
> > > Research.
> I find it offensive that you attack VA research,
> who provides many of the resources we enjoy
Title: RE: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests
> > RedCrap already has everyone where they want them; in their back
> > pocket, filling their wallet more and more everyday. Alongside VA
> > Research.
>
I find it offensive that you attack VA research,
who
On Tue, 18 May 1999, David Welton wrote:
> So, if this really bothers you, do something about it. Make a company
> and start marketing the hell out of Debian. That's most of what
> Redhat is - marketing. That's not a bad thing, necessarily -
> marketing is what it takes to get your name out in
> RedCrap already has everyone where they want them; in their back
> pocket, filling their wallet more and more everyday. Alongside VA
> Research.
So, if this really bothers you, do something about it. Make a company
and start marketing the hell out of Debian. That's most of what
Redhat is - mar
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Joseph Carter wrote:
> I think prj has one such cd from Caldera and I can confirm that I've seen
> one too. The person who had it wouldn't give it up unfortunately.
> They're saving it for the same reasons I want it--to show people just
> what kind of company Caldera really
On Tue, 18 May 1999, tony mancill wrote:
> sorry feel compelled to dive into the fray, but...
I gotta do it. If anyone's a geek in suit's clothing, I garauntee you it's
me. And I find this funny, in a sick and twisted way.
>
> On Tue, 18 May 1999, Mark Mealman wrote:
> >
> > Well damn, I work
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 08:22:27PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> > "Debian, so far, has been very popular in academia, hobbyist and
> > research circles, but doesn't appear to be a big player in the retail
> > and commercial fields."
>
> Wow, I always thought that this is was Microsoft says a
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 06:44:53AM -0700, John van V. wrote:
> I personally had a really bad experience w/ Caldera after 3 years of preparing
> to become a channel partner.
[.. bad experience snipped ..]
What do you expect from a company that was kind enough to release a
binary only linux with a
On 18 May 1999, Craig Brozefsky wrote:
>
> Mr. Leibovitch is the executive directory of The Linux Professional
> Institute, which is non-profit corporation attempting to provide
> standardized certification across all Linux platforms. Normally, such
> rhetoric as he spouts in this article (and a
sorry feel compelled to dive into the fray, but...
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Mark Mealman wrote:
> On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 03:16:38PM -0700, Craig Brozefsky wrote:
> >
> > "Debian, so far, has been very popular in academia, hobbyist and
> > research circles, but doesn't appear to be a big player in
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 03:16:38PM -0700, Craig Brozefsky wrote:
>
> "Debian, so far, has been very popular in academia, hobbyist and
> research circles, but doesn't appear to be a big player in the retail
> and commercial fields."
Well damn, I work for one of the US's largest insurance brokera
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 03:16:38PM -0700, Craig Brozefsky wrote:
>
> "Debian, so far, has been very popular in academia, hobbyist and
> research circles, but doesn't appear to be a big player in the retail
> and commercial fields."
Wow, I always thought that this is was Microsoft says about Lin
Hello,
I am with the LXNY and other free software clubs in NY and we are 100% against
certification, the sheer stupidity of evan's statement is all you really need
to know.
I personally had a really bad experience w/ Caldera after 3 years of preparing
to become a channel partner.
Below is a l
On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 11:43:36PM -0400, Phillip R. Jaenke wrote:
> I hereby officially propose that the education of Mister Leibovitch begins
> with a sound *THWAPPING* upside the head using a hard-copy of both the GNU
> Manifesto and the GNU GPL, and done in tandem by two very large and well
>
On Mon, 17 May 1999, Joseph Carter wrote:
> On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 03:16:38PM -0700, Craig Brozefsky wrote:
> > Might I suggest that someone involved with Debian PR contact
> > Mr. Leibovitch and attempt to open a dialog with him in order to
> > better educate him on why Debian has made various d
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 03:16:38PM -0700, Craig Brozefsky wrote:
> Might I suggest that someone involved with Debian PR contact
> Mr. Leibovitch and attempt to open a dialog with him in order to
> better educate him on why Debian has made various decisions, and why
> Debian is not anti-commercial b
http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/linux/opinion/0,5954,2260109,00.html
"On the other hand, those in our world who believe in manipulating
language for political means insist on the term GNU/Linux in order to
pay forced homage to the FSF and GNU."
Mr. Leibovitch is the executive directory of Th
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