Re: dicussion about patches ... ignoring patches make motivation toprovide them fall

2006-03-22 Thread Frank Küster
"cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By not answering there's no way for the submitter to know which of the above > applies, it's an issue of not leaving users in uncertainty about what is > going on. > > A simple 1 line reply is enough to remove that uncertainty: > - this t

Re: dicussion about patches ... ignoring patches make motivation toprovide them fall

2006-03-22 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 20:43, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So a mere non-reply does not, it seems to me, connote anything bad; it > may simply mean that the bug report is complete in itself, and well > get attention when I decide I have the attention

Re: dicussion about patches ... ignoring patches make motivation toprovide them fall

2006-03-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Some few maintainers are obnoxious and anti-helpful. All of these > have bugs which have had a patch attached to them for a long time > without mantainer comment (not even 'no, this patch doesn't work > because X'). However, not all such bugs reflec

Re: dicussion about patches ... ignoring patches make motivation to provide them fall

2006-03-21 Thread Thomas Hood
Me: > [In the hypothetical case] I write to the maintainer > of P but get no reply. After repeating this a few times I (finally!) > get a message from the P maintainer... about his having more important > things to do than deal with my patch. [...] Frans Pop: > Alternative conclusion to this saga

Re: dicussion about patches ... ignoring patches make motivation toprovide them fall

2006-03-20 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: So yes, I believe we need to work on the long-term "ignored" bugs. :) Those are essentially all I work on. It's a good thing I have a thick skin. Some maintainers are genuinely grateful for the assistance, and they're a pleasure to work with. (This includes the X

Re: dicussion about patches ... ignoring patches make motivation to provide them fall

2006-03-20 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 20 March 2006 16:04, Thomas Hood wrote: > It might not be so simple. Suppose I have taken it upon myself to push > change Foo through Debian. The Foo project requires cooperation from > several DDs and at the beginning I can't tell whether I will get that > cooperation from all of them.

Re: dicussion about patches ... ignoring patches make motivation to provide them fall

2006-03-20 Thread Thomas Hood
Russ Allbery wrote: > Whenever this topic comes up on debian-devel, the conversation seems to > focus on the small minority of maintainers who don't respond to bugs, are > still active on their packages, resist any attempt at co-maintainership, > and can't be dealt with through the MIA process. Y

Re: dicussion about patches ... ignoring patches make motivation to provide them fall

2006-03-19 Thread Russ Allbery
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 12:44:05PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: >> I believe you are wrong. If you are right, then I am a very impolite >> maintainer, as I have too many packages with too many bugs to look >> after, so I do not manage to look at, nor

Re: dicussion about patches ... ignoring patches make motivation to provide them fall

2006-03-19 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Olaf van der Spek] > So what do you think about long-term ignored bug reports? Do you > think that should not be considered any issue/problem? It is definitely something we should try to address. When I run into those myself for issues that are important to me, I try to contact the maintainer,

Re: dicussion about patches ... ignoring patches make motivation to provide them fall

2006-03-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 12:44:05PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > [Sven Luther] > > I am not saying that there needs to be an immediate response, or all > > patches need to be applied, but i believe that it is elementary > > politeness from a package maintainer, to at least aknowledge a pat

Re: dicussion about patches ... ignoring patches make motivation to provide them fall

2006-03-19 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 3/19/06, Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [Sven Luther] > > I am not saying that there needs to be an immediate response, or all > > patches need to be applied, but i believe that it is elementary > > politeness from a package maintainer, to at least aknowledge a patch > > or b

Re: dicussion about patches ... ignoring patches make motivation to provide them fall

2006-03-19 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Sven Luther] > I am not saying that there needs to be an immediate response, or all > patches need to be applied, but i believe that it is elementary > politeness from a package maintainer, to at least aknowledge a patch > or bug report when it is submitted. I believe you are wrong. If you are

Re: dicussion about patches ... ignoring patches make motivation to provide them fall

2006-03-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 08:29:18AM +0100, Martin Wuertele wrote: > * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-19 08:06]: > > > The question is if the problems with the patches and the reason for not > > applying it will be commented, thus giving the author a chance to modify it, > > or change his

Re: dicussion about patches ...

2006-03-19 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 3/19/06, Martin Wuertele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-19 08:06]: > > > The question is if the problems with the patches and the reason for not > > applying it will be commented, thus giving the author a chance to modify it, > > or change his approach to

Re: dicussion about patches ...

2006-03-18 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-19 08:06]: > The question is if the problems with the patches and the reason for not > applying it will be commented, thus giving the author a chance to modify it, > or change his approach to fixing the bug, or if the patch will be utherly > ignored, whic

dicussion about patches ...

2006-03-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 04:01:58PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > You missed the sarcasm. I understood Daniel's point to be that just > because a patch is syntatically correct doesn't mean that it will (or > should) be applied. The question is if the problems with the patches and the reason for n