Results for Declassifying debian-private

2016-10-22 Thread devotee
Greetings, This message is an automated, unofficial publication of vote results. Official results shall follow, sent in by the vote taker, namely Debian Project Secretary This email is just a convenience for the impatient. I remain, gentle folks, Your humble servant, De

Re: GR: Declassifying debian-private: First call for votes

2016-10-09 Thread Sven Bartscher
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- d495b767-7754-4e61-80ea-8b31c07f3595 [ 2 ] Choice 1: Repeal previous GR [ 1 ] Choice 2: Acknowledge difficulty [ 4 ] Choice 3: Remain private [ 3 ] Choice 4: Further Discussion - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between T

Results for Declassifying debian-private

2016-08-20 Thread devotee
, Devotee (on behalf of Debian Project Secretary) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Starting results calculation at Sun Aug 21 00:00:12 2016 Option 1 "Allow declassifying parts of debian-private" Option 2 "Further Discussion" In the following table, tally[row x][col y]

Re: Results for Declassifying debian-private

2016-08-13 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Please ignore this e-mail. It never happened. Kurt

Results for Declassifying debian-private

2016-08-13 Thread devotee
, Devotee (on behalf of Debian Project Secretary) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Starting results calculation at Sun Aug 14 00:00:23 2016 Option 1 "Allow declassifying parts of debian-private" Option 2 "Further Discussion" In the following table, tally[row x][col y]

Re: GR: Declassifying debian-private: First call for votes

2016-08-06 Thread Russell Stuart
On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 01:48 +0200, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx wrote: > Hi, > > This is the first call for vote on the General Resolution about > declassifying debian-private. > >  Voting period starts  2016-08-07 00:00:00 UTC >  Votes must be receive

Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-07 Thread Joey Schulze
Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: > I saw that it's possible to redirect my @debian.org email to an > address and also redirect debian-private to another email. @debian.org > is set to @gmail.com. Good. But what do I do with debian-private? > Is it possible to redirect

Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-06 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Hi! I am using Frans Pop's procmailrc to split debian-private and non-debian-private emails. Thank you Frans! Sincerily, *I* don't belive in privacy with one thousand developers reading plain text emails, but to avoid more discussions and fights, I won't read debian-private wi

Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/06/06 16:17, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Pierre THIERRY wrote: > >> I thought that very few ISP have really the will and disk space to > > I do not think about ISPs only. Have you ever heard about Echelon. > (Just try Emacs Meta

Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-06 Thread Andreas Tille
encrypt debian-private. I never wrote things to this mailing list that I could not write open (on a picture postcard) and I have never seen any mail that would be really worth to be encrypted on this list. So just calm down and ignore these ugly spys who seem to have fun to read your mails. Kind

Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 05:08:02AM -0200, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: > What I am wanting is to redirect all my @debian.org emails to my Gmail > account (the field "email forwarded to") and to read debian-private > emails on a Debian machine. Thank God for procmail. Wait,

Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-06 Thread Russ Allbery
tercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, > and disclosed at the discretion of Stanford University and > subject to applicable laws. > If we're going to disallow getting developers' debian-private mail > delivered to gmail, then we're going to hav

Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-06 Thread Ben Pfaff
he discretion of Stanford University and subject to applicable laws. If we're going to disallow getting developers' debian-private mail delivered to gmail, then we're going to have to disallow it getting delivered to Stanford, too, at least if the developer ever uses the webmail system

Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-06 Thread Russ Allbery
and use it 2) they clearly state that they will keep > everything. > Shouldn't that make a difference? There are, what, 2,000 people on debian-private? Nothing sent there is going to stay a secret from any determined adversary, and there are far easier ways of getting that information than

Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-06 Thread Pierre Habouzit
with 1Tb of data). > The real problem with Google seems to be that 1) they have all the > infrastructure needed to keep and use it 2) they clearly state that > they will keep everything. > > Shouldn't that make a difference? no because my neighbour could spy my phone cable

Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
//lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg02531.html that it's > > > not nice to redirect debian-private to a Gmail account. > > Please ignore paranoid people. > > Paranoid is OK. Overly-paranoid isn't. (I'm not saying which of those > any of the particip

Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-06 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Andreas Tille dies 06/12/2006 hora 14:09: > > Please ignore paranoid people. > To be honest you have to regard any nonencrypted mail as world > readable and you can be nearly sure that all your mails are recorded > at a place where you have no control over it. I thought that very few ISP h

Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-06 Thread Dave Holland
On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 01:46:51PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Dec 06, "Nelson A. de Oliveira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > People discussed at this thread > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg02531.html that it's > > not nic

Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-06 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Marco d'Itri wrote: People discussed at this thread http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg02531.html that it's not nice to redirect debian-private to a Gmail account. Please ignore paranoid people. To be honest you have to regard any nonencrypted mai

Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-06 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Dec 06, "Nelson A. de Oliveira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People discussed at this thread > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg02531.html that it's > not nice to redirect debian-private to a Gmail account. Please ignore paranoid people. -

Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 06 December 2006 08:08, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: > What I am wanting is to redirect all my @debian.org emails to my Gmail > account (the field "email forwarded to") and to read debian-private > emails on a Debian machine. > > Is it easy to do this (using p

Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-05 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On 12/6/06, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 06 December 2006 03:32, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: > > I saw that it's possible to redirect my @debian.org email to an > > address and also redirect debian-private to another email. @debian.org > >

Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 06 December 2006 03:32, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: > I saw that it's possible to redirect my @debian.org email to an > address and also redirect debian-private to another email. @debian.org > is set to @gmail.com. Good. But what do I do with debian-private? >

debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-05 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Hi! People discussed at this thread http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg02531.html that it's not nice to redirect debian-private to a Gmail account. Well, the problem is that my main email is from Gmail. I have other 2 emails too. One is temporary (from where I study) and I red

Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-06-28 Thread Steve Langasek
#x27;d ideally I'd like to avoid having an enormous flamewar about > > it. > > However, it has come to my attention that at least one developer > > appears to be reading debian-private at their gmail account. > I am one of those developers. I have never though that such action

How to securely read debian-private for sure

2006-06-28 Thread Osamu Aoki
#x27;d ideally I'd like to avoid having an enormous flamewar about > > it. I claim I was guilty too. Now I use my local ISP's mailbox. No better though. > > However, it has come to my attention that at least one developer > > appears to be reading debian-private a

Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-06-27 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
t; However, it has come to my attention that at least one developer > appears to be reading debian-private at their gmail account. I am one of those developers. I have never though that such action could be considered a violation of debian-private policy and some reasons for that have already

Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-06-26 Thread Martin Schulze
Domenico Andreoli wrote: > it's nice to have your personal gobal & searchable mailing list > archive, where you can really find anything you have ever received. Even though it is nice, it's also problematic to scatter around private and hence sensitive (at least temporarily sensitive) information

Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-05-29 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Kevin B. McCarty wrote: Come to think of it, [pgp encrypting each message] isn't a bad idea. Is it feasible for this to be done transparently? Mailing list admins, any comments? I suspect that the end result of this would be more people keeping their GPG keys unencrypted on Internet-access

Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-05-26 Thread Jacob S
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:21:35 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ian Jackson wrote: > > Kevin B. McCarty writes ("Re: sending debian-private postings to

Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ian Jackson wrote: > Kevin B. McCarty writes ("Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail"): >> Ian Jackson wrote: >> [snip] >>> distributed to computers whose owners and operators cannot be expected >>>

sending debian-private postings to slashdot

2006-05-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 24 mai 2006 à 19:18 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit : > However, it has come to my attention that at least one developer > appears to be reading debian-private at their gmail account. And at least hundreds of people appear to be reading debian-private on slashdo

Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-05-25 Thread sean finney
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 04:09:07PM -0400, Kevin B. McCarty wrote: > Come to think of it, (2) isn't a bad idea. Is it feasible for this to > be done transparently? Mailing list admins, any comments? this has been discussed before a few times. iirc each time the final result was the mail admins s

Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-05-25 Thread Domenico Andreoli
On 5/24/06, Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: However, it has come to my attention that at least one developer appears to be reading debian-private at their gmail account. doh! i have been caught :) it's nice to have your personal gobal & searchable mailing list archive

Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-05-25 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 04:09:07PM -0400, Kevin B. McCarty wrote: > (2) all mail passing through debian-private should, for each > subscriber to the list, be encrypted individually to the public key > on file for her/him. > Come to think of it, (2) isn't a bad idea. Is it feasi

Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-05-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 24 May 2006, Kevin B. McCarty wrote: > (2) all mail passing through debian-private should, for each > subscriber to the list, be encrypted individually to the public key > on file for her/him. > > Come to think of it, (2) isn't a bad idea. Is it feasible f

Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-05-25 Thread Agustin Martin
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 02:13:38AM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit "Kevin B. McCarty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Taken to extremes, this implies that (1) DD's should only receive mail > > sent to boxes under their own control and (2) all mail passing

Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-05-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Kevin B. McCarty writes ("Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail"): > Ian Jackson wrote: > [snip] > > distributed to computers whose owners and operators cannot be expected > > to refrain from processi

Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-05-25 Thread Joey Hess
Kevin B. McCarty wrote: > Taken to extremes, this implies that (1) DD's should only receive mail > sent to boxes under their own control and (2) all mail passing through > debian-private should, for each subscriber to the list, be encrypted > individually to the public key on

Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-05-25 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit "Kevin B. McCarty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Taken to extremes, this implies that (1) DD's should only receive mail > sent to boxes under their own control and (2) all mail passing through > debian-private should, for each subscriber to the list, be encrypted &g

Re: sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-05-25 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
Ian Jackson wrote: [snip] > But it seems clear that Gmail's processing isn't compatible with > debian-private. > > A Debian developer should cause debian-private to be processed only as > is necessary for providing developers with good and convenient access > to th

sending debian-private postings to gmail

2006-05-25 Thread Ian Jackson
ppears to be reading debian-private at their gmail account. I think that this is a violation of the privacy rules surrounding the debian-private list. Google should not get a copy of debian-private, even if the only current output is aggregate keyword hit reports (ie ad presentation rate data). Note

Re: Trying to reach consensus - Yet Another Alternate Proposal to Declassification of debian-private

2005-12-08 Thread Anthony Towns
Followups set to -vote; can we please keep this on the list that's designed for these discussions? On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 11:24:52AM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote: > There's a lot of personal information inside debian-private, There is? I got 36 of 494 messages (7%) for the month I

Re: {SPAM} Re: Trying to reach consensus - Yet Another Alternate Proposal to Declassification of debian-private

2005-12-08 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Qui, 2005-12-08 às 08:07 +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane escreveu: > On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 01:39:15AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 02:47:07PM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote: > >> The first type of publication could embrace the entire content of > &

Re: Trying to reach consensus - Yet Another Alternate Proposal to Declassification of debian-private

2005-12-08 Thread Daniel Ruoso
s to be able to read stuff. Well, if you're going to get access to information that if published could damage people, that's not surprise. There's a lot of personal information inside debian-private, which can be usefull for someone doing a research, but even then, should not be ava

Re: {SPAM} Re: Trying to reach consensus - Yet Another Alternate Proposal to Declassification of debian-private

2005-12-08 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Qui, 2005-12-08 às 00:08 +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin escreveu: > On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 02:47:07PM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote: > > The first type of publication could embrace the entire content of > > debian-private, but restrictions will be applied for those who want to > >

Re: Trying to reach consensus - Yet Another Alternate Proposal to Declassification of debian-private

2005-12-07 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
would be nice to have two types of >> publications: >> 1) Selected Readers >> 2) Selected Content >> The first type of publication could embrace the entire content of >> debian-private, but restrictions will be applied for those who want >> to read, basically, th

Re: Trying to reach consensus - Yet Another Alternate Proposal to Declassification of debian-private

2005-12-07 Thread Robert Collins
ontent > > > > The first type of publication could embrace the entire content of > > debian-private, but restrictions will be applied for those who want to > > read, basically, the need of identification of the reader and the > > agreement to a NDA on the same terms applied to e

Re: Trying to reach consensus - Yet Another Alternate Proposal to Declassification of debian-private

2005-12-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
; google, nor be available without any criteria. This is certainly the > point that is raising most of the disagreement. > > So, my conclusion is that it would be nice to have two types of > publications: > > 1) Selected Readers > 2) Selected Content > > The first typ

Re: Trying to reach consensus - Yet Another Alternate Proposal to Declassification of debian-private

2005-12-07 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 02:47:07PM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote: > So, my conclusion is that it would be nice to have two types of > publications: > > 1) Selected Readers > 2) Selected Content > > The first type of publication could embrace the entire content of > debian-p

Re: Trying to reach consensus - Yet Another Alternate Proposal to Declassification of debian-private

2005-12-07 Thread mjr
Daniel Ruoso: > I'll try to move forward in the direction of a more consensual proposal > about the declassification.=20 > > In this discussion, two points were made clear to me: You do not mention the copyright and ethical problems, but the proposal seems to address them, near enough. Is the OP

Trying to reach consensus - Yet Another Alternate Proposal to Declassification of debian-private

2005-12-07 Thread Daniel Ruoso
on is that it would be nice to have two types of publications: 1) Selected Readers 2) Selected Content The first type of publication could embrace the entire content of debian-private, but restrictions will be applied for those who want to read, basically, the need of identification of the reade

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-04 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 08:32:59AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > - - requests by the author of a post for that post not to be published > - will be honoured; > + - If the author makes a resonable case that some material is > + sensitive, then that material is redacted from that post

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:35:28 +1000, Anthony Towns said: > (Followups to -vote) > On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 08:30:37AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: >> The primary reason for this is that the existing messages were sent >> to debian-private with an expectation of privacy. > A

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-02 Thread Paul Hedderly
- > In accordance with principles of openness and transparency, Debian will > seek to declassify and publish posts of historical or ongoing significance > made to the Debian Private Mailing List. > > This process will be undertaken under the following const

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-02 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, Jérôme Marant wrote: - the list of posts to be declassified will be made available to developers two weeks before publication, so that the decisions Two weeks is too short to review, IMO. I didn't read that as a hard time limit between announcement and publication, but rather as t

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Robert Collins
On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 12:35 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > (Followups to -vote) > > On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 08:30:37AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: > > The primary reason for this is that the existing messages were sent to > > debian-private with an expectation of privacy. &g

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Anthony Towns
(Followups to -vote) On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 08:30:37AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: > The primary reason for this is that the existing messages were sent to > debian-private with an expectation of privacy. As Matthew pointed out in [0] this expectation of privacy isn't really

Proposal for *Real* Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Daniel Ruoso
going significance made to the Debian Private Mailing List. This process will be undertaken under the following constraints: * The Debian Project Leader will delegate one or more volunteers to form the debian-private declassification team. * The team will automatically declas

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Qui, 2005-12-01 às 08:32 -0600, Manoj Srivastava escreveu: > a) The post contained sensitive material. > In this case, if a reasonable case has been made for the > material being sensitive, and one that the declassification > teams accepted, then the material should be

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread sean finney
; > the message is kept hidden. > > > > The primary reason for this is that the existing messages were sent to > > debian-private with an expectation of privacy. Folk that have changed > > address or become otherwise not-immediately available may still care, > &g

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Dave Holland
at the existing messages were sent to > debian-private with an expectation of privacy. Folk that have changed > address or become otherwise not-immediately available may still care, > and the principle of least surprise should apply. > > We can however change the expectations for new m

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Robert Collins
e to keep the post private, not to open it up. That is, if the author and other individuals do not reply, the message is kept hidden. The primary reason for this is that the existing messages were sent to debian-private with an expectation of privacy. Folk that have changed address or become otherwi

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Jérôme Marant
Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello, > > Jérôme Marant wrote: > >> What is this supposed to mean? If no comments have been made by the >> author for eight weeks, messages will be automatically declassified? >> It looks like a kind of opt out to me. > > True. It may be an idea to have

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Joey Hess
Here are the urls I didn't find for my other post: http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/nb/nb.cgi/view/vitanuova/2005/03/13/0 http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/sec2000/full_papers/rao/rao.pdf http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/NewsBruiser-2.6.1/nb.cgi/view/vitanuova/2005/04/06/0 http://en.w

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > a) The post contained sensitive material. > > In this case, if a reasonable case has been made for the > material being sensitive, and one that the declassification > teams accepted, then the material should be redacted from the > post, a

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Thursday 01 December 2005 15.32, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > +   - If the author indicates he does not wish to be associated with a > +     post, any identifying information is redacted from that post, > +     and any quotes in subsequent posts, but the rest of the material > +     is published.

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Simon Richter
Hello, Jérôme Marant wrote: What is this supposed to mean? If no comments have been made by the author for eight weeks, messages will be automatically declassified? It looks like a kind of opt out to me. True. It may be an idea to have another proposed amendment reversing the logic, and see

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Jérôme Marant
Quoting Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > * The team will automatically declassify and publish posts made to > that list that are three or more years old, with the following > exceptions: > > - the author and other individuals quoted in messages being reviewed > will be

Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
manoj -- In accordance with principles of openness and transparency, Debian will seek to declassify and publish posts of historical or ongoing significance made to the Debian Private Mailing List. This process will be undertaken under the foll

Re: debian-private list archives

2004-11-01 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Godisch wrote: > Who can tell me, where the debian-private list archives can be found? > Looks like they moved somewhere... Did the mailing list footer change while we were not paying attention? Mine still says: Please respect the privacy of this mailin

Re: debian-private list archives

2004-11-01 Thread Pascal Hakim
On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 06:50:44AM +0100, Martin Godisch wrote: > Hi, > > Who can tell me, where the debian-private list archives can be found? > Looks like they moved somewhere... > master:/home/debian/archive/debian-private/ Pasc -- Pascal Hakim

Re: Moving topics from debian-private

1997-12-19 Thread Milan Zamazal
> "AY" == Alex Yukhimets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: AY: Nothing strange. After a couple of _years_ of struggling in AY: attempts to learn emacs (I made about 6 attempts total) I found AY: a *great* relief in... vi (vim actually). I was able to get AY: used to it only after 2-

Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-18 Thread Alex Yukhimets
> On 18 Dec 1997, Kai Henningsen wrote: > > > Remember there are people that can't stand Emacs. > > Strange... :) Nothing strange. After a couple of _years_ of struggling in attempts to learn emacs (I made about 6 attempts total) I found a *great* relief in... vi (vim actually). I was able to ge

Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-18 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
On 18 Dec 1997, Kai Henningsen wrote: > Remember there are people that can't stand Emacs. Strange... :) --- Turbo_ /// If there are no Amigas in heaven, send me to HELL! ^\\\/ Unix _IS_ user friendly - it'

Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-18 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Kai" == Kai Henningsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Kai> Remember there are people that can't stand Emacs. Bliss. :-) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-18 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Guy Maor) wrote on 16.12.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "Gonzalo A. Diethelm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Perhaps you could point out how I could force all of those people > > with broken mailers and/or ideas to use one of your great mail > > clients, so I won't get four, f

Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-18 Thread Will Lowe
On 17 Dec 1997, Guy Maor wrote: > > download them is closing the barn door after the horses have eaten the > > chickens. Horses are vegetarians anyway. Will -- |

Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-18 Thread Guy Maor
Rob Browning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > While I agree that Gnus is the best thing since sliced bread, keep in > mind those in other countries where net access is *much* more > expensive. I hardly think the duplicate messages represent a significant percentage of their bandwidth. > For these

Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-17 Thread Rob Browning
Guy Maor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Gnus. While I agree that Gnus is the best thing since sliced bread, keep in mind those in other countries where net access is *much* more expensive. For these people, deleting the duplicates after they download them is closing the barn door after the horses

Re: ["Gonzalo A. Diethelm" ] Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-17 Thread Paul Slootman
On Tue 16 Dec 1997, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > > "James" == James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > James> Alex Yukhimets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> When doing 'g'roup reply in elm, the e-mail of the person goes > >> into the "To:" header and list address (along with all o

Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-17 Thread Guy Maor
"Gonzalo A. Diethelm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Perhaps you could point out how I could force all of those people > with broken mailers and/or ideas to use one of your great mail > clients, so I won't get four, five, six or more duplicates of the > messages sent to the list. Gnus. -- TO UNS

Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-17 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Gonzalo A. Diethelm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > You seem to be quite happy with the configuration as it is. Good for > you. Perhaps you could point out how I could force all of those people > with broken mailers and/or ideas to use one of your great mail > clients, so I won't get four, five, six

Re: ["Gonzalo A. Diethelm" ] Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-17 Thread Tyson Dowd
On 17-Dec-1997, James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alex Yukhimets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > When doing 'g'roup reply in elm, the e-mail of the person goes into > > the "To:" header and list address (along with all other thread > > participant's adresses) to "Cc:" header. > > So, umm

Re: ["Gonzalo A. Diethelm" ] Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-17 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "James" == James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: James> Alex Yukhimets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> When doing 'g'roup reply in elm, the e-mail of the person goes >> into the "To:" header and list address (along with all other >> thread participant's adresses) to "Cc:" he

Re: ["Gonzalo A. Diethelm" ] Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-17 Thread James Troup
Alex Yukhimets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > When doing 'g'roup reply in elm, the e-mail of the person goes into > the "To:" header and list address (along with all other thread > participant's adresses) to "Cc:" header. So, umm, fix elm? -- James -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-m

Re: ["Gonzalo A. Diethelm" ] Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-16 Thread Alex Yukhimets
> --- Start of forwarded message --- > Resent-Date: 16 Dec 1997 22:24:45 - > Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:38:16 -0300 > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: "Gonzalo A. Diethelm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Deb

["Gonzalo A. Diethelm" ] Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-16 Thread James Troup
--- Start of forwarded message --- Resent-Date: 16 Dec 1997 22:24:45 - Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:38:16 -0300 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Gonzalo A. Diethelm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Debian developers l

Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-16 Thread Gonzalo A. Diethelm
On Dec 16, 1997, at 11:22, Ian Jackson wrote: > Tyson Dowd: > > A couple of us discussed this (and other problems with the mailing > > list), in the thread "Duplicate messages on this list" in debian-devel > > about a week ago and eventually came to a standstill where most people > > in the di

Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-16 Thread Tyson Dowd
On 16-Dec-1997, Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please check out http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html . The page > contains several arguments against the use of "Reply-To". I fully agree to > what Ian said. Please don't quote this URL as if all the issues in this web pa

Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-16 Thread Raul Miller
Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please check out http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html . The page > contains several arguments against the use of "Reply-To". I fully agree to > what Ian said. I personally find header-munging of any sort distasteful, however I think a couple

Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-16 Thread Tyson Dowd
a rap on the knuckles for jumping lists, then it's important enough to stop. If I've gone too far wasting people's time with these issues, I won't bring it up again - but I'd seriously recommend not using debian-private for anything that should remain private, until t

Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-16 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote: > > Please let noone think that just because that absurd and awful > > suggestion was the last thing anyone said that everyone is happy with > > it. > > > > Rather, the rest of us have more important things to do than to fight > > battles with people wit

Re: Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-16 Thread Alex Yukhimets
> Please let noone think that just because that absurd and awful > suggestion was the last thing anyone said that everyone is happy with > it. > > Rather, the rest of us have more important things to do than to fight > battles with people with broken mailers and broken ideas about how > mailers ou

Moving topics from debian-private (was Re: SPI money out)

1997-12-16 Thread Ian Jackson
Tyson Dowd: > A couple of us discussed this (and other problems with the mailing > list), in the thread "Duplicate messages on this list" in debian-devel > about a week ago and eventually came to a standstill where most people > in the discussion were happy with the following solution: > >

Re: debian-private archives

1997-12-05 Thread Martin Schulze
Christian Meder writes: > as my email is still not added to debian-private (I don't want to bug > anyone) and it's election time I would like to ask some kind soul to > send me the archives of the last two months of debian-private (need > some background material for voting :

debian-private archives

1997-12-01 Thread Christian Meder
Hi, as my email is still not added to debian-private (I don't want to bug anyone) and it's election time I would like to ask some kind soul to send me the archives of the last two months of debian-private (need some background material for voting :-) If possible please in the next coup

debian-private

1996-06-29 Thread Brian C. White
Is debian-private running, or have I just been removed from it? I sent a message to it a couple days ago regarding the "WebPages" directory now in the distribution, but never saw it, nor any other messages to debian-private, appear.