Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-23 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Thursday 22 March 2007 13:55, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > Hmmm, if we do that, we could probably start handing out accounts for > this web-based bug submission system, so that people who report more > than one bug only need to answer once to such a mail. Hmmm, that sounds > like we're r

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-22 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Friday 16 March 2007 00:49, Steve Langasek wrote: >> A large fraction of bug reports are bad or incomplete, so you need to >> ensure that you can contact bug submitters for more information. >> >> HTTP doesn't give you a callback mechanism, so you need

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-22 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Friday 16 March 2007 00:49, Steve Langasek wrote: > A large fraction of bug reports are bad or incomplete, so you need to > ensure that you can contact bug submitters for more information. > > HTTP doesn't give you a callback mechanism, so you need to be able to tie > the web submission bac

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-18 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
* Paul Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-19 00:57]: > The text interface of reportbug has the filter/search feature already: > > (1-15/15) Is the bug you found listed above [y|N|m|r|q|s|f|?]? ? > > f - Filter bug list using a pattern. > ? - Display this help. > > Very handy for wnpp :) Thanks

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 23:38 +0100, Rafael Laboissiere wrote: > > I still would like to have a search mechanism on the bug titles list. > > Okay, after searching through the list of bugs open against reportbug, I > found that this feature has been already requested twice: #358472 and > #358760. O

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-17 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
* Rafael Laboissiere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-16 14:44]: > * Paul Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-16 20:11]: > > > Try reportbug -u urwid. There is also -u newt, but it doesn't seem to > > work and has a big warning. > > Thanks. I did not know that this existed. I still would like to hav

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 02:21:02PM -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > So to summarize you want tags which have the ability to be mutually > > exclusive? > > That could be a part of the solution. File the wishlist bug, please. > an ass

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-17 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 07:42:26PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le vendredi 16 mars 2007 à 12:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit : > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 08:40:15AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > Just try Bugzilla. Really. It has some major issues, but it is also > > > considerably

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 16 mars 2007 à 12:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit : > On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 08:40:15AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Just try Bugzilla. Really. It has some major issues, but it is also > > considerably more advanced than debbugs in several domains. > > > Yes, I have used bu

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-17 Thread Mark Brown
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 09:09:43AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > Considering team work and stuff like this, an assigned status would be > good too, with possibility, like forwarded, to specify an email address > of the person dealing with the bug. That would make it clear, in teams, > if bugs are de

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-17 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 02:21:02PM -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So to summarize you want tags which have the ability to be mutually > exclusive? That could be a part of the solution. What I believe is necessary is a workflow for the bug, pretty much like the one with bugzilla

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:01:06PM -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > If you want features like this, the right thing to do is file > > wishlist bugs against debbugs or bugs.debian.org instead of > > complaining on -devel or worse, silen

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:01:06PM -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 20:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit : > > > What will a web interface provide that cannot be found/done by browsing > > > http://bugs.de

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 07:59:02PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > This feature has to be implemented as an add on module to debbugs or > > entirely separately. It can use the Debbugs:: modules if it must, but > > it really should pull any informatio

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 20:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit : > > What will a web interface provide that cannot be found/done by browsing > > http://bugs.debian.org/src: ? > > A way for us to manage our 1600 bugs? You can do this by using usertag

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 05:37:25PM +, Ross Burton wrote: > On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 12:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > The simple fact that anyone having submitted a comment to a bug is > > > automatically added to the CC list for later comments is something that > > > should be trivial

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Ross Burton
On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 12:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > The simple fact that anyone having submitted a comment to a bug is > > automatically added to the CC list for later comments is something that > > should be trivial to implement. Instead, we have a bloated and useless > > subscription

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Christian Perrier may or may not have written... [snip] > Actually, I'm among the ppl who discourage the use of diff files for PO > files. > The various differences in formatting behaviour of the PO editing > tools, versions of gettext utilities and the like usually generate too > m

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 08:42:57AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 20:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit : > > What will a web interface provide that cannot be found/done by browsing > > http://bugs.debian.org/src: ? > > A way for us to manage our 1600 bugs? > > E.g. so

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 08:40:15AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 20:10 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit : > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:52:24AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > > > > This is true for the initial report. But you also gain something > > > bugzilla ha

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 08:19:42AM +0100, sean finney wrote: > > and wrt the suggestion of "just use webmail" posted later on: this would > also count as a "web based interface", and imo would be the worst kind > since you have no automatic information gathering, no input checking, > and it's rath

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Ganesan Rajagopal
> "Thomas" == Thomas Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 11:52 +0100, Rafael Laboissiere wrote: >> >> Try reportbug -u urwid. There is also -u newt, but it doesn't seem to >> work and has a big warning. > Any chance of including this information in reportbug's manpage?

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
* Paul Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-16 20:11]: > On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 11:52 +0100, Rafael Laboissiere wrote: > > > Instead of a GUI or a web interface, what I would love to have is a > > curses-capable version of reportbug. As someone mentioned elsewhere in this > > thread, browsing wnpp b

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Thomas Weber
Am Freitag, den 16.03.2007, 20:11 +0900 schrieb Paul Wise: > On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 11:52 +0100, Rafael Laboissiere wrote: > > > Instead of a GUI or a web interface, what I would love to have is a > > curses-capable version of reportbug. As someone mentioned elsewhere in this > > thread, browsing

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 11:52 +0100, Rafael Laboissiere wrote: > Instead of a GUI or a web interface, what I would love to have is a > curses-capable version of reportbug. As someone mentioned elsewhere in this > thread, browsing wnpp bug report titles in reportbug is a real pain. A > curses scrol

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
* Anthony Towns [2007-03-16 13:03]: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:23:09PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > A GUI version of reportbug would be nice, though. Having to open a terminal > > and deal with clumsy line based user interfaces is not a hindrance, but > > it is an obstacle, to me. > > Trie

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Loïc Minier
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007, Bastian Venthur wrote: > I know this is gonna be flamed down, but I'm feelin' brave today so > let's try it anyway: > 4) put an reportbug-ng icon on the desktop by default on every > fresh installation > I know this smells like the classic AOL-Button on every Wind

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 07:59:02PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > This feature has to be implemented as an add on module to debbugs or > entirely separately. It can use the Debbugs:: modules if it must, but > it really should pull any information it requires using the soap > interface so it doesn't

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Jan Michael C. Alonzo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Michael C. Alonzo) writes: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> A large fraction of bug reports are bad or incomplete, so you need to ensure >> that you can contact bug submitters for more information. >> >> HTTP doesn't give you a callback mechanism, so you nee

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 03:06:33PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to > Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is > capable of submitting a useful bug report? Frankly no (even though the l10n exampl

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 04:14:40PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > It was me that mentioned about the web submission in platform. I would Sorry for not mentioning you, I frankly forgot to, but even Sam mentioned that :) Thanks for your interest! > I also prefer if the student can integrate this fe

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 20:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit : > What will a web interface provide that cannot be found/done by browsing > http://bugs.debian.org/src: ? A way for us to manage our 1600 bugs? E.g. something like this: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=nautilus -- .

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 20:10 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit : > On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:52:24AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > > This is true for the initial report. But you also gain something > > bugzilla has and reportbug doesn't: you can crawl on the website, find > > an interesti

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Bastian Venthur
Andreas Tille schrieb: > IMHO the biggest problem of reportbug is that it is not announced in the > end of the install process. I have seen so many (even skilled) Debian > users who were not aware that there is something like reportbug. IMHO > this definitely has to be advertised at at least one

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread sean finney
On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 15:06 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to > Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is > capable of submitting a useful bug report? yes, actually. wrt web based interfaces: sure

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is capable of submitting a useful bug report? IMHO the biggest problem of reportbug is that it is not announ

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2007-03-16 at 13:03 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:23:09PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > A GUI version of reportbug would be nice, though. Having to open a terminal > > and deal with clumsy line based user interfaces is not a hindrance, but > > it is an obstacle,

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Christian Perrier
> > Hint, Steve: l10n...:-) > > Heh, I'm unhappy as it is with the practice of translators of submitting > full .po files instead of diffs. ;) (getting OT) Actually, I'm among the ppl who discourage the use of diff files for PO files. The various differences in formatting behaviour of the PO ed

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 07:20:50AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: > > I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to > > Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is > > capable of submitting a useful bug report? > Hint, Steve: l10n...:-) Heh

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Christian Perrier
> I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to > Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is > capable of submitting a useful bug report? Hint, Steve: l10n...:-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:23:09PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On to, 2007-03-15 at 15:06 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to > > Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is > > capable of submitti

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > I'm willing to present a Debian project proposal for the Google > Summer of Code [1] for implementing a web frontend for reporting > bugs to the Debian BTS. Any such frontend must not be worse than reportbug at actually gathering information and pro

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 09:13:19AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > Hi all, > > There has been long thread on bug triaging recently. I think that a web > interface to the BTS could make the task easier for volunteers, since > exploring the bug space of a software (from the Debian package to the >

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 03:06:33PM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 07:28:11PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm willing to present a Debian project proposal for the Google Summer > > of Code [1] for implementing a web frontend for reporting bugs to the

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:52:24AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > This is true for the initial report. But you also gain something > bugzilla has and reportbug doesn't: you can crawl on the website, find > an interesting bug, and direclty add some comments. > I don't see how this is anything

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 04:49:36PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > Now you've reimplemented bugzilla, congratulations; and it's still inferior > to reportbug because the website can't automatically gather information > about the package status on your system when you submit a bug. I think with Acti

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 16:49 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > HTTP doesn't give you a callback mechanism, so you need to be able to tie > the web submission back to an email address. > > You want to avoid joe-jobbing, so you require registration in advance of > allowing bug submissions. > > Now

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 09:48:53AM +1100, Jan Michael C. Alonzo wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to > > Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is > > capable of submitting a

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 04:10:10AM +0530, Shobhit Jindal wrote: > On 3/16/07, Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >On to, 2007-03-15 at 15:06 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > >> I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to > >> Debian. Do you really think that

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Jan Michael C. Alonzo
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to > Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is > capable of submitting a useful bug report? I don't think this is about abilities. Do you think anyone

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Shobhit Jindal
On 3/16/07, Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On to, 2007-03-15 at 15:06 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to > Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is > capable of submitting a useful bug

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-03-15 at 15:06 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to > Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is > capable of submitting a useful bug report? A GUI version of reportbug would be nice, thoug

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 07:28:11PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Hi all, > I'm willing to present a Debian project proposal for the Google Summer > of Code [1] for implementing a web frontend for reporting bugs to the > Debian BTS. I'm volunteering for being a mentor for such a project. I've

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 3/15/07, Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, I'm willing to present a Debian project proposal for the Google Summer of Code [1] for implementing a web frontend for reporting bugs to the Debian BTS. I'm volunteering for being a mentor for such a project. I've expertise in th

co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
Hi all, I'm willing to present a Debian project proposal for the Google Summer of Code [1] for implementing a web frontend for reporting bugs to the Debian BTS. I'm volunteering for being a mentor for such a project. I've expertise in the field of usability and I know, as an user, debbugs related