Hello all,
Since this conversation several months ago I've been working with the
Wine maintainer on implementing a solution upstream that is compatible
with our requirements and the pretty much universal desire by packagers
to avoid system library imports. I believe I've found a solution that
On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 08:38:52PM +, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> Le lun. 13 sept. 2021 à 20:24, Adrian Bunk a écrit :
> > On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 08:19:31PM +0200, Stephen Kitt wrote:
>...
> > > The regressions are significant though: if packages can’t stay
> > > cross-satisfiable for Debian c
Le lun. 13 sept. 2021 à 20:24, Adrian Bunk a écrit :
>
> On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 08:19:31PM +0200, Stephen Kitt wrote:
> >...
> > For Wine (and even a wider MinGW-w64
> > ecosystem) we don’t need all that many source packages to be
> > cross-satisfiable for the whole endeavour to be useful...
>
>
On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 08:19:31PM +0200, Stephen Kitt wrote:
>...
> For Wine (and even a wider MinGW-w64
> ecosystem) we don’t need all that many source packages to be
> cross-satisfiable for the whole endeavour to be useful...
But you would still need to create and maintain the whole
infrastruc
On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 08:19:31PM +0200, Stephen Kitt wrote:
> Is the process documented anywhere? Or does one simply pick a failure from
> http://crossqa.debian.net and figure out what’s going wrong (and hope that
> pulling the threads doesn’t reveal a monster...)?
That describes the process qui
On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 20:54:56 +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 07:03:54PM +0200, Stephen Kitt wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 19:20:16 +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 05:31:41PM +0200, Stephen Kitt wrote:
> > > >...
> > > > While one could imagine addi
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 17:39:25 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote:
> I believe I can speak with my "main cross building porter" hat on.
>
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 01:57:44PM +, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> > They are a full color gradiant between:
> > - freestanding arches pure cross compile without any
I believe I can speak with my "main cross building porter" hat on.
On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 01:57:44PM +, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> They are a full color gradiant between:
> - freestanding arches pure cross compile without any depends except arch:all
> - partial cross built arch
> - partial ar
On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 07:03:54PM +0200, Stephen Kitt wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 19:20:16 +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 05:31:41PM +0200, Stephen Kitt wrote:
> > >...
> > > While one could imagine adding support to all the appropriate
> > > source packages to build simil
On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 19:20:16 +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 05:31:41PM +0200, Stephen Kitt wrote:
> >...
> > While one could imagine adding support to all the appropriate
> > source packages to build similar “Architecture: all” packages, that would
> > require convincing all t
On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 05:31:41PM +0200, Stephen Kitt wrote:
>...
> While one could imagine adding support to all the appropriate
> source packages to build similar “Architecture: all” packages, that would
> require convincing all the relevant maintainers,
Adding a new release architecture (parti
On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 10:38:52 +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 08:53:49AM +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> >...
> > Improve dpkg to support partial arch. I volonteer to implement none arch
> > but i am waiting from guillem here.
> >...
>
> There is also plenty of infrastruct
On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 02:57:20PM +, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> Le dim. 12 sept. 2021 à 14:16, Adrian Bunk a écrit :
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 01:57:44PM +, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> > >
> > > I think you misunderstand:
> > > https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg/Spec/FreestandingArch
Le dim. 12 sept. 2021 à 14:16, Adrian Bunk a écrit :
>
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 01:57:44PM +, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> >
> > I think you misunderstand:
> > https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg/Spec/FreestandingArches
> >
> > They are a full color gradiant between:
> > - freestanding arches pu
Le sam. 11 sept. 2021 à 06:00, Paul Wise a écrit :
>
> Disclaimer: I know precisely zero of the details here nor
> if the PE loader can support any of the below features.
>
> On Fri, 2021-09-10 at 09:23 +, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
>
> > The problem is that windows apps particularly games try t
On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 01:57:44PM +, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
>
> I think you misunderstand:
> https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg/Spec/FreestandingArches
>
> They are a full color gradiant between:
> - freestanding arches pure cross compile without any depends except arch:all
> - partial cro
Le dim. 12 sept. 2021 à 13:44, Adrian Bunk a écrit :
>
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 01:18:11PM +, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> > Le dim. 12 sept. 2021 à 07:38, Adrian Bunk a écrit :
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 08:53:49AM +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> > > >...
> > > > Improve dpkg to su
On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 01:18:11PM +, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> Le dim. 12 sept. 2021 à 07:38, Adrian Bunk a écrit :
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 08:53:49AM +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> > >...
> > > Improve dpkg to support partial arch. I volonteer to implement none arch
> > > but i a
Le dim. 12 sept. 2021 à 07:38, Adrian Bunk a écrit :
>
> On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 08:53:49AM +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> >...
> > Improve dpkg to support partial arch. I volonteer to implement none arch
> > but i am waiting from guillem here.
> >...
>
> There is also plenty of infrastructure
On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 08:53:49AM +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
>...
> Improve dpkg to support partial arch. I volonteer to implement none arch
> but i am waiting from guillem here.
>...
There is also plenty of infrastructure on the buildd, archive and
release team sides that would likely need
Le sam. 11 sept. 2021 à 17:30, Adrian Bunk a écrit :
> On Sat, Sep 04, 2021 at 08:17:53PM -0500, Zebediah Figura wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I'm a contributor to the Wine project. To summarize the following mail,
> Wine
> > needs special versions of some of its normal dependencies, such as
> >
On Sat, Sep 04, 2021 at 08:17:53PM -0500, Zebediah Figura wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I'm a contributor to the Wine project. To summarize the following mail, Wine
> needs special versions of some of its normal dependencies, such as
> libfreetype and libgnutls, built using the MinGW cross-compiler, and
Disclaimer: I know precisely zero of the details here nor
if the PE loader can support any of the below features.
On Fri, 2021-09-10 at 09:23 +, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> The problem is that windows apps particularly games try to check if
> mapped ram exec pages are from dll from disk and no
Le jeu. 9 sept. 2021 à 07:32, Paul Wise a écrit :
>
> On Thu, 2021-09-09 at 00:59 -0500, Zebediah Figura wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, no. We have no way of knowing the caller.
>
> Can the PE loading mechanism do something like inject a fake dlopen
> function available only in the Wine namespace tha
On Thu, 2021-09-09 at 00:59 -0500, Zebediah Figura wrote:
> Unfortunately, no. We have no way of knowing the caller.
Can the PE loading mechanism do something like inject a fake dlopen
function available only in the Wine namespace that just passes the Wine
namespace to the dlmopen function? Or th
On 9/9/21 12:45 AM, Paul Wise wrote:
On Thu, 2021-09-09 at 00:39 -0500, Zebediah Figura wrote:
Right, but we don't have any guarantee that library A will load library
B in its constructor routines. In fact, if it's loading library B
dynamically, it's probably not doing that.
Can the loader te
On Thu, 2021-09-09 at 00:39 -0500, Zebediah Figura wrote:
> Right, but we don't have any guarantee that library A will load library
> B in its constructor routines. In fact, if it's loading library B
> dynamically, it's probably not doing that.
Can the loader tell which library asked it to load
On 9/9/21 12:15 AM, Paul Wise wrote:
On Wed, 2021-09-08 at 23:47 -0500, Zebediah Figura wrote:
Unfortunately, while thinking about the answer to this question, I
realized another snag, which I think really does make using
identically-named dynamic libraries impossible: if system library A
loads
On Wed, 2021-09-08 at 23:47 -0500, Zebediah Figura wrote:
> Unfortunately, while thinking about the answer to this question, I
> realized another snag, which I think really does make using
> identically-named dynamic libraries impossible: if system library A
> loads system library B dynamically
On 9/8/21 8:12 PM, Paul Wise wrote:
On 9/8/21 3:13 AM, Simon McVittie wrote:
As far as I understand it, the PE loader used for Wine is part of Wine,
so it has total control over the libraries that it loads and how it loads
them. This means that if Wine developers (the experts on this codebase)
h
On 9/8/21 3:13 AM, Simon McVittie wrote:
> As far as I understand it, the PE loader used for Wine is part of Wine,
> so it has total control over the libraries that it loads and how it loads
> them. This means that if Wine developers (the experts on this codebase)
> have decided a libcapsule-like a
On 9/8/21 3:13 AM, Simon McVittie wrote:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2021 at 07:31:59 +, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
Simon, do you think you could implement a version of libcapasule for PE object ?
Given that libcapsule is very glibc- and ELF-specific, doesn't work
properly without new glibc feature work
On Wed, 08 Sep 2021 at 07:31:59 +, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> Simon, do you think you could implement a version of libcapasule for PE
> object ?
Given that libcapsule is very glibc- and ELF-specific, doesn't work
properly without new glibc feature work that isn't in Debian yet (I've
lost trac
Hi,
Adding smcv to the thread.
Le mar. 7 sept. 2021 à 23:25, Bastien ROUCARIES
a écrit :
>
> Le mar. 7 sept. 2021 à 21:16, Zebediah Figura
> a écrit :
> >
> > On 9/7/21 12:05 PM, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> > > I disagree.
> > >
> > > Le mar. 7 sept. 2021 à 17:48, Zebediah Figura a
> > > écrit
Le mar. 7 sept. 2021 à 21:16, Zebediah Figura
a écrit :
>
> On 9/7/21 12:05 PM, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> > I disagree.
> >
> > Le mar. 7 sept. 2021 à 17:48, Zebediah Figura a
> > écrit :
> >
> >> On 9/7/21 5:16 AM, Bastien Roucariès wrote:
> >>> Le mardi 7 septembre 2021, 00:44:31 UTC Paul Wise
Le mar. 7 sept. 2021 à 23:01, Paul Wise a écrit :
>
> On Tue, 2021-09-07 at 10:48 -0500, Zebediah Figura wrote:
>
> > The outstanding problem seems to be more about potentially breaking
> > applications because they see two identically named DLLs loaded in the
> > same process. Applications can an
On Tue, 2021-09-07 at 10:48 -0500, Zebediah Figura wrote:
> The outstanding problem seems to be more about potentially breaking
> applications because they see two identically named DLLs loaded in the
> same process. Applications can and do trawl the internal loader state,
> although the Win32
On 9/7/21 12:05 PM, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
I disagree.
Le mar. 7 sept. 2021 à 17:48, Zebediah Figura a
écrit :
On 9/7/21 5:16 AM, Bastien Roucariès wrote:
Le mardi 7 septembre 2021, 00:44:31 UTC Paul Wise a écrit :
On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 9:54 PM Zebediah Figura wrote:
The basic problem i
Le mar. 7 sept. 2021 à 19:05, Bastien ROUCARIES
a écrit :
> I disagree.
>
> Le mar. 7 sept. 2021 à 17:48, Zebediah Figura a
> écrit :
>
>> On 9/7/21 5:16 AM, Bastien Roucariès wrote:
>> > Le mardi 7 septembre 2021, 00:44:31 UTC Paul Wise a écrit :
>> >> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 9:54 PM Zebediah Fi
I disagree.
Le mar. 7 sept. 2021 à 17:48, Zebediah Figura a
écrit :
> On 9/7/21 5:16 AM, Bastien Roucariès wrote:
> > Le mardi 7 septembre 2021, 00:44:31 UTC Paul Wise a écrit :
> >> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 9:54 PM Zebediah Figura wrote:
> >>> The basic problem is that applications can and often
On 9/7/21 5:16 AM, Bastien Roucariès wrote:
Le mardi 7 septembre 2021, 00:44:31 UTC Paul Wise a écrit :
On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 9:54 PM Zebediah Figura wrote:
The basic problem is that applications can and often do ship with PE
builds of cross-platform libraries. These libraries can be ahead of
Le mardi 7 septembre 2021, 00:44:31 UTC Paul Wise a écrit :
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 9:54 PM Zebediah Figura wrote:
> > The basic problem is that applications can and often do ship with PE
> > builds of cross-platform libraries. These libraries can be ahead of
> > Wine's system libraries, behind th
On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 9:54 PM Zebediah Figura wrote:
> The basic problem is that applications can and often do ship with PE
> builds of cross-platform libraries. These libraries can be ahead of
> Wine's system libraries, behind them, or even built with custom patches.
> Accordingly we really don'
On 9/6/21 1:34 PM, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
Le lun. 6 sept. 2021 à 18:36, Zebediah Figura a
écrit :
On 9/6/21 1:57 AM, Stephen Kitt wrote:
On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 12:14:47 -0500, Zebediah Figura <
zfig...@codeweavers.com>
wrote:
On 9/5/21 11:19 AM, Stephen Kitt wrote:
On Sat, 4 Sep 2021 20:17:
Le lun. 6 sept. 2021 à 18:36, Zebediah Figura a
écrit :
> On 9/6/21 1:57 AM, Stephen Kitt wrote:
> > On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 12:14:47 -0500, Zebediah Figura <
> zfig...@codeweavers.com>
> > wrote:
> >> On 9/5/21 11:19 AM, Stephen Kitt wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 4 Sep 2021 20:17:53 -0500, Zebediah Figura
> >
On 9/6/21 1:57 AM, Stephen Kitt wrote:
On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 12:14:47 -0500, Zebediah Figura
wrote:
On 9/5/21 11:19 AM, Stephen Kitt wrote:
On Sat, 4 Sep 2021 20:17:53 -0500, Zebediah Figura
wrote:
I'm a contributor to the Wine project. To summarize the following mail,
Wine needs special versio
Le lun. 6 sept. 2021 à 06:57, Stephen Kitt a écrit :
>
> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 12:14:47 -0500, Zebediah Figura
> wrote:
> > On 9/5/21 11:19 AM, Stephen Kitt wrote:
> > > On Sat, 4 Sep 2021 20:17:53 -0500, Zebediah Figura
> > > wrote:
> > >> I'm a contributor to the Wine project. To summarize the fo
On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 12:14:47 -0500, Zebediah Figura
wrote:
> On 9/5/21 11:19 AM, Stephen Kitt wrote:
> > On Sat, 4 Sep 2021 20:17:53 -0500, Zebediah Figura
> > wrote:
> >> I'm a contributor to the Wine project. To summarize the following mail,
> >> Wine needs special versions of some of its norm
On 9/5/21 11:19 AM, Stephen Kitt wrote:
Hi Zebediah,
On Sat, 4 Sep 2021 20:17:53 -0500, Zebediah Figura
wrote:
I'm a contributor to the Wine project. To summarize the following mail,
Wine needs special versions of some of its normal dependencies, such as
libfreetype and libgnutls, built using
Hi Bastien,
On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 08:53:49 +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES
wrote:
> Le dim. 5 sept. 2021 à 03:34, Zebediah Figura a
> écrit :
> > I'm a contributor to the Wine project. To summarize the following mail,
> > Wine needs special versions of some of its normal dependencies, such as
> > libfreet
Hi Zebediah,
On Sat, 4 Sep 2021 20:17:53 -0500, Zebediah Figura
wrote:
> I'm a contributor to the Wine project. To summarize the following mail,
> Wine needs special versions of some of its normal dependencies, such as
> libfreetype and libgnutls, built using the MinGW cross-compiler, and I'm
Le dim. 5 sept. 2021 à 03:34, Zebediah Figura a
écrit :
> Hello all,
>
> I'm a contributor to the Wine project. To summarize the following mail,
> Wine needs special versions of some of its normal dependencies, such as
> libfreetype and libgnutls, built using the MinGW cross-compiler, and I'm
> s
Hello all,
I'm a contributor to the Wine project. To summarize the following mail,
Wine needs special versions of some of its normal dependencies, such as
libfreetype and libgnutls, built using the MinGW cross-compiler, and I'm
sending out a mail to major distributions in order to get some fee
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